Estonia's Desire to Become a Nordic Country?

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استونی این مزیت ها را دارد که به عنوان یک کشور شمال اروپا شناخته می شود.
OK, I used the google translation:
Estonian Where did you find Radard Ka with the address of Yak-Kashur, north of Aruba.
Still remains mysterious, an ISIS cell communication code or something?...
 

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OK, I used the google translation:
Estonian Where did you find Radard Ka with the address of Yak-Kashur, north of Aruba.
Still remains mysterious, an ISIS cell communication code or something?...
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Looks like an attempt to contribute to the discussion... In farsi???
 

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There isn't any point of being a "Nordic country" geopolitically as we live in 2021 where most of Europe is in the EU.

But the fact is that if you move away from geopolitics and actually use the term "nation", the Estonia is a Nordic nation because it is inhabited by the Estonians who are historically, culturally, by identity and mentality, Nordic.

The only reason why modern Scandinavians might think differently is because they just know very little about Estonia as it was wiped out from all schoolbooks and discussion after WW2. I'm Swedish and 20 years ago I thought that Estonia is some Eastern-European area where the people are similar to Russians, as I got smarter and expanded my knowledge, I logically realized that I was utterly wrong. It is the same with almost all Scandinavians, the 50 year gap where Estonia didn't exist had a big effect as several generations forgot everything about Estonia and its existence.

For comparison, thousands of Danes, Swedes and Finns fought in the Estonian Independence War (1918-1920) against the Russians and the Germans as the Estonians were seen as Nordic people who were historically and culturally in the same Nordic group. The (social-democratic) Danish government in 1919 actually had to put a limit on how many volunteers they allowed to go to Estonia as so many Danes wanted to help out Estonia that the government was afraid that it would be seen as official military intervention against Russia. A more right-wing government would most likely not have imposed such a limit.

Finns, Swedes and Danes dying on Estonian soil, fighting as volunteers for Estonian independence kind of shows extremely well that before the Soviet occupation, seeing Estonia as a Nordic nation was the norm. Emphasis on "nation" not "country" as "nation" is tied to culture, history etc. while "country" is a geopolitical entity.
 
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They also fought as volunteers for Germany. Did they see Germany as a Nordic country? French also volunteered in the Waffen-SS, did they see Germany as French, or France as German?

Around 200 from Denmark volunteered, also around 200 from Sweden, Finland sent around 3500 soldiers because they feared Bolshevism. Britain also supported Estonia, and same did White Russian. This hardly point toward Denmark and Sweden and Finland believing they are Nordic. All it proves is that surrounding countries was fearful of Soviet Russia.

Tellingly no Norwegians volunteered. Likely and indicator that Norway is not focused on the area, and that Denmark, Sweden, and Finland is naturally focused on the Baltic Sea. If volunteers and military intervention jusitfy Estonia being part of the Nordic, then it also part of Britain and Russia. As far as I see, this is a flawed argument.
 
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They also fought as volunteers for Germany. Did they see Germany as a Nordic country? French also volunteered in the Waffen-SS, did they see Germany as French, or France as German?

Around 200 from Denmark volunteered, also around 200 from Sweden, Finland sent around 3500 soldiers because they feared Bolshevism. Britain also supported Estonia, and same did White Russian. This hardly point toward Denmark and Sweden and Finland believing they are Nordic. All it proves is that surrounding countries was fearful of Soviet Russia.

Tellingly no Norwegians volunteered. Likely and indicator that Norway is not focused on the area, and that Denmark, Sweden, and Finland is naturally focused on the Baltic Sea. If volunteers and military intervention jusitfy Estonia being part of the Nordic, then it also part of Britain and Russia. As far as I see, this is a flawed argument.

You are comparing apples and oranges + using demagoguery like focusing on a very small part of the bigger picture. You have a lot of false claims in so few sentences so I won't go into detail (but I could as I actually studied Northern-European history in university) as you obviously have some kind of (unknown to me) agenda.

You cannot compare the 1918-1920 Estonian independence war to World War 2 and the Waffen SS, those 2 things are not even remotely comparable and this could be considered trolling. Also, White Russians did not support Estonia and their North-Western army was disarmed by the Estonians at the later stages of the war as they were against Estonian independence and had never supported it. Also, by your demagogic logic, Finland isn't Nordic because it did not have Norwegian, Danish nor Icelandic volunteers in its civil war.

I already wrote too much as it was pretty apparent from your first 2 sentences that you're either very ignorant or trolling, comparing incomparable historical events separated by several decades.
 
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