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This has been bugging me for a great while, I'd very much like a Scandinavian elective inheritance system to better represent the history of the region. The current system, where only the great Dukes hold any power, represents the situation in the HRE somewhat accurately. It doesn't at all work for Scandinavia. And the fact that Paradox created tanistry for the Gaels, but neglected their own history seems just lazy to me.

Firstly, the system through which a monarch was elected during the later middle ages was called an Eriksgata in Sweden. It was fundamentally different compared to the process in Germany in that all of the Swedish people was represented. I'm not sure exactly how the process went in Denmark and Norway, so I'd be happy if someone more knowledgeable would elaborate on that.

The problem for Sweden is that we have very few sources from the earlier part of the high middle ages. We do know however that the later process consisted of the king being elected at Mora stenar, outside Uppsala in Uppland, and that the king then had to travel south and be accepted by the people of each of the major provinces. The law firmly states that "swear agho konongh at taka ok swa at wraekae", Swedes holds the right to take and evict kings.

Each province had to had to provide the king with a number of hostages as insurance. But this was seen as giving great honor and respect to the provinces, and we have an account of what happens when a king didn't respect the people. Enter king Ragnvald Knaphövde of the 1120's. He was a prideful man who refused to follow the common laws and customs by not taking any prisoners. This angered the people of Västergötland so much that they thus had him killed when he rode through the province.

We also have the situation of early high-medieval Sweden, between 1130 and 1250, where two different dynasties shifted the throne between each other, as if they took turn playing chess. See the house of Erik and the house of Sverker at wikipedia to get a picture of the extent of the practice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_monarchs#Houses_of_Sverker_and_Eric

This is the kind of dynamic shifts that i wish to see when a Scandinavian elective inheritance system.
 
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Are you talking about the general peasant population? Because those just don't exist in this game. So you can't really make a mechanic around them.

I am thinking of something similar to republics actually, but without bribes and it would focus on an interplay between prestige, stats, and opinion modifiers. But I think that it should primarily be for claimants and children of claimants - firstly brothers and sons. It should be linked to similar rules as for pressing claims, but with some tweaking.
 
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I am thinking of something similar to republics actually, but without bribes and it would focus on an interplay between prestige, stats, and opinion modifiers. But I think that it should primarily be for claimants and children of claimants - firstly brothers and sons. It should be linked to similar rules as for pressing claims, but with some tweaking.
That sounds really complicated for one kingdom.
 
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I like the OP's idea.
Yeah but tanistry is just elective with only your family. You're proposing something way more complicated.
Tanistry is already quite a bit more complicated than that, something of a hybrid of seniority and elective gavelkind (minus gavelkind title splitting). Any count or above can vote for any dynasty member of the ruler, but they prefer older distant relatives.
 

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I like the OP's idea.

Tanistry is already quite a bit more complicated than that, something of a hybrid of seniority and elective gavelkind (minus gavelkind title splitting). Any count or above can vote for any dynasty member of the ruler, but they prefer older distant relatives.

Yes, and this could be part of a bigger expansion which introduces noble republics like Novgorod. I'm not terribly familiar with Russian history, but if Scandinavia can be considered feudal (we never had feudalism), I'm equally certain that Novgorod can be represented that way.