Equipment needs

[Oakfan]

I love the new system for supplying your divisions with equipment. But why not take it a step forward.

It appears that every division type needs weapons and support companies. Why not add trucks to this need. Now I know most divisions still relied on horse transport, but maybe we can add a function that delivers a particular amount of motorized transport. Not to make it a complete motorized division but the ability to make a division more "modern" as opposed to purely horse drawn.

For instance, you build a normal German Infantry division. Currently you need to supply it with weapons and support companies. Have a slider, or some design, to allocate a particular amount of trucks to the division. Have a min/max depending on the amount of infantry battalions/men. More trucks mean slightly faster travel, better organization, increase recovery rate. But the drawbacks of more resources/production needed, division, weight, and supply use. Also the amount of trucks allocated will not reach values of other motorized division, nor there attributes.

In regards to Motorized division, they already need trucks for the motorized battalion, allow allocation for the support companies. Same for Mechanized and Tank divisions. Obviously less then you would allocate to normal infantry

Do not allow trucks to be NEEDED but an added value. Makes you think about adjusting your resource and production needs.

Obviously this would require balancing production and resources in order to take effect. Maybe this change could be applied to an expansion? Defiantly not the current build, I can’t take any more delays.

 

[Vidkjaer]

Adding a few trucks will not increase the speed of the division and shouldnt. You basically can achieve what you want by changing one battalion in your 9 battaliion infantry division to motorized.

 

[Commissar Yossarian]

I love the new system for supplying your divisions with equipment. But why not take it a step forward.

It appears that every division type needs weapons and support companies. Why not add trucks to this need. Now I know most divisions still relied on horse transport, but maybe we can add a function that delivers a particular amount of motorized transport. Not to make it a complete motorized division but the ability to make a division more "modern" as opposed to purely horse drawn.

For instance, you build a normal German Infantry division. Currently you need to supply it with weapons and support companies. Have a slider, or some design, to allocate a particular amount of trucks to the division. Have a min/max depending on the amount of infantry battalions/men. More trucks mean slightly faster travel, better organization, increase recovery rate. But the drawbacks of more resources/production needed, division, weight, and supply use. Also the amount of trucks allocated will not reach values of other motorized division, nor there attributes.

In regards to Motorized division, they already need trucks for the motorized battalion, allow allocation for the support companies. Same for Mechanized and Tank divisions. Obviously less then you would allocate to normal infantry

Do not allow trucks to be NEEDED but an added value. Makes you think about adjusting your resource and production needs.

Obviously this would require balancing production and resources in order to take effect. Maybe this change could be applied to an expansion? Defiantly not the current build, I can’t take any more delays.

Isn't this exactly what the supply support company models. It requires trucks, and models the impact as an improved supply capacity (by reducing the required supplies). This is generally how trucks impacted leg infantry n'cest pas?

 

[Oakfan]

I am not talking about a few. I am talking about a couple hundred. If combat units can move faster, the division will move faster.

You have seen one motorized battalion move an entire division, consisting of infantry, the same speed as the individual battalion in game?

 

[jcpvdberg]

So you are talking about making an infantry division a motorized infantry division, by giving it loads of trucks? Thats in the game! You can change division templates to make all your infantry motorised infantry and its done!

 

[Oakfan]

So you are talking about making an infantry division a motorized infantry division, by giving it loads of trucks? Thats in the game! You can change division templates to make all your infantry motorised infantry and its done!

Also the amount of trucks allocated will not reach values of other motorized division, nor there attributes.

 

[jcpvdberg]

You basicly want a motorized division without calling it motorized...

 

[Oakfan]

You basicly want a motorized division without calling it motorized...

I dont think you are getting my point. Im talking about adding trucks to the default equipment (Weapons, Support Equipment) need for a properly stocked division. Every division, be it mechanized, motorized, cavalry, infantry, etc. require trucks to run efficiently.

 

[Kazansky22]

I think trucks are considered support equipment, along with horses, carriages, motorcycles ect....

 

[Denkt]

Many support battalions need trucks (logistic, hospital and signal) so you may need trucks for most of your divisions if you make use of these. What you are asking for exist already as the support companies listed above, they make your divisions more effective.

 

[Gort11]

You basicly want a motorized division without calling it motorized...

No, you get motorised divisions by concentrating your trucks into single divisions so that everything in those particular divisions moves very quickly, but other divisions which are truckless still move slowly.

If you instead spread your trucks across the entire army, using them to tow AT guns, artillery, and haul supplies and heavy gear, you don't get motorised divisions, you get slightly faster infantry divisions - partial motorisation.

Earlier Hearts of Iron games represented this gradual introduction of trucks into infantry divisions by slightly raising infantry speed as the tech level rose, and adding fuel consumption.

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I could see space in Hearts of Iron 4 for a "supply pool" you could put trucks and transport planes in to get a global supply boost.

 

[Denkt]

I could see space in Hearts of Iron 4 for a "supply pool" you could put trucks and transport planes in to get a global supply boost.

Supply support company does that already.

 

[Gort11]

Supply support company does that already.

Well, I don't think it uses trucks or transport planes...

 

[Denkt]

Well, I don't think it uses trucks or transport planes...

Im pretty sure it do need trucks.

 

[Gort11]

Ah yeah, wiki says it does. Still, would be good to have representation of partial motorisation, and transport planes.

 

[Denkt]

Which are already in the game, compare a division who have no support companies vs one that have support companies.

 

[Gort11]

Which are already in the game, compare a division who have no support companies vs one that have support companies.

If you're referring to transport planes, they're not in the game.

If you're referring to partial motorisation, a division with no support companies moves no faster than one with support companies (except presumably in the case of a division with engineers in rough terrain).

So transport planes aren't in the game at all, and the most important part of partial motorisation (divisions move faster) isn't in the game.

 

[Caesar15]

If you're referring to transport planes, they're not in the game.

They are.

 

[potski]

But only for paradropping.

I'm confused by this thread. Trucks were confirmed to be a separate item of equipment which you produce in your factories a long time ago. They are not abstracted within support equipment. There are some support companies (Field Hospitals, Logistics Company and Signals Company) which can only be researched if you have researched trucks, and I think these need trucks to be produced in your factories if you add them to a Div template.

Plus researching trucks enables Motorised battalions to be added to templates, which also require trucks to be produced.

You can add a Motorised brigade to an existing template, such as for cavalry. Why wouldn't this partial motorisation cause the Div to move faster?

 

[Orlunu]

You can add a Motorised brigade to an existing template, such as for cavalry. Why wouldn't this partial motorisation cause the Div to move faster?

Because the nine thousand guys who didn't fit on the truck have still got to walk.