EP, AGCEEP. AOI, MyMap...

[Sovereign]

Can anyone tell me which of these mods is the best one? Or, which one tends to have the most countries around in europe and the rest of the world by the end of the game? I want to avoid blobbism for my Vicky conversion games, and also avoid having vast stretches of territory uncolonised. there is a contradiction there though, you can't have lots of colonised territory without severe Spanish or Portugese blobbism, but maybe one of these mods ensure more breakaways or rebellions that lead to formation of new countries by the end of the game. Maybe just using MyMap is enough to address this.

Please help, any advise appreciated.

ps- I always play normal/normal.

 

[jonti-h]

Can anyone tell me which of these mods is the best one? Or, which one tends to have the most countries around in europe and the rest of the world by the end of the game? I want to avoid blobbism for my Vicky conversion games, and also avoid having vast stretches of territory uncolonised. there is a contradiction there though, you can't have lots of colonised territory without sever Spanish or Portugese blobbism, but maybe one of these mods ensure more breakaways or rebellions that lead to formation of new countries by the end of the game. Maybe just using MyMap is enough to address this.

Please help, any advise appreciated.

ps- I always play normal/normal.

It is a matter of personal taste.
I play AoI, as it lets you play longer!

ACGEEP with MyMap will give more provs if that is what you want - there's less PTI to!

 

[Sovereign]

PTI?

Can AGCEEP and MyMap games be converted to Vicky?

 

[unmerged(45766)]

Pti?

Permanent Terra Incognita. Areas that are not part of the map, and thus can't be explored.

Some people love to colonize the Rocky Mountains, the Himalaya or the Sahara Desert.

 

[Prince Ares]

AGCEEP is the best mod. But the ahistorical mod for WATK will be even better. EEP is an old part of AGC-EEP.

 

[unmerged(51378)]

AGCEEP is the best mod. But the ahistorical mod for WATK will be even better. EEP is an old part of AGC-EEP.

He's talking about EP - another mod, not EEP. No idea what it is, though.

I don't convert myself, but AGCEEP usually have more countries at end than Vanilla. I haven't tried AoI and EP, and to be honest I doubt MyMAP work with the converter.

 

[Sovereign]

He's talking about EP - another mod, not EEP. No idea what it is, though.

I don't convert myself, but AGCEEP usually have more countries at end than Vanilla. I haven't tried AoI and EP, and to be honest I doubt MyMAP work with the converter.

EP - Europa Portugalis. I've read good things about it but I get the feeling it's mostly about Portugal for some reason.

 

[unmerged(51378)]

EP - Europa Portugalis. I've read good things about it but I get the feeling it's mostly about Portugal for some reason.

Now how's that possible?

 

[unmerged(37697)]

I believe by EP he means Europa Portugalis. It's not a bad mod. It focuses, naturally enough, on a superior AI, and a better expansionist outlook for most nations

Age of Imperialism is indeed a very good mod. You can't go wrong with that, really.

However, the best mod is of course the AGCEEP. However, the vanilla map is ugly and horrible and, frankly, should be outlawed. At some point I intend to resume my conversion of AGCEEP to the WATK map (awaiting Kasperus' newest release...) - the MyMAP-AGCEEP is pretty much obsolete at present as a result of both the map and the AGCEEP itself being several versions behind their default counterparts.

Overall, I suggest WATK 3.1 with perhaps some of FAL's scenarios

 

[Duke of Wellington]

I'd recommend AOI or MYMAP-AGCEEP. Both are very good.

 

[unmerged(49083)]

MYMAP is in my signature. It shouldn't really be used with the AGCEEP extension, because it isn't using the most recent version.

 

[jonti-h]

MYMAP is in my signature. It shouldn't really be used with the AGCEEP extension, because it isn't using the most recent version.

How well does it work with Vanilla? Are all scenarios supported for instance?
I like MYMAP a lot, and want to play it on vanilla!

 

[unmerged(51378)]

How well does it work with Vanilla? Are all scenarios supported for instance?
I like MYMAP a lot, and want to play it on vanilla!

Hardly good at all. It only support The Grand Campaign, events and such are probably outdated and Terra Incongnita is ridiciolous.

 

[Sovereign]

MYMAP is in my signature. It shouldn't really be used with the AGCEEP extension, because it isn't using the most recent version.

Do you have to use AGCEEP with MyMap? Can't you use it with EU2 vanilla map? Or is it not so good that way?

If not, hopefully a converter is in the pipeline for MyMap games to Vicky, I'd do it myself if I had the time.

 

[unmerged(37697)]

Do you have to use AGCEEP with MyMap? Can't you use it with EU2 vanilla map? Or is it not so good that way?

If not, hopefully a converter is in the pipeline for MyMap games to Vicky, I'd do it myself if I had the time.

Yes, you may use it with the vanilla map

The latest version is 1.42, and works very well. It's a spledid piece of work.

Just don't touch the MyMAP version with a barge pole - it's bugged to hell at present

 

[Sleepyhead]

Kasperus were going to make a converter to Vicky, can't remeber if he's already done one.

As I said in the Vicky forum, EP provides the best results for a converted game and AOI if you start on a later scenario.
AGCEEP has so many events that the outcome never gets plausible, but as a human player it's really fun to get those events. With AGCEEP the AI will lag behind in tech when you play Vicky, and very few areas will be colonized. Very few factories for other AI nations.

In EP the AI will colonize most of the world and behave historically. It gets several bonuses to stats and tech so you aren't able to control the world by 1550. Russia reaches the Pacific, Spain takes Inca and the Aztecs. The OE expands like it should, England suceeds in colonizing America several times. France doesn't end up owning all of the HRE.
The AI gets more cultures to be able to tech. It gets factories etc.
EP was also based upon AGCEEP so most of the events are included.

 

[unmerged(49083)]

All of the WATK die-hard fans are saying MYMAP is bad, but actually a new version has been released and the game-stopping bugs it has have been fixed, in a bugfix file. So, I would recommend MYMAP.

 

[unmerged(37697)]

All of the WATK die-hard fans are saying MYMAP is bad, but actually a new version has been released and the game-stopping bugs it has have been fixed, in a bugfix file. So, I would recommend MYMAP.

I think the new MyMAP looks wonderful. I particuarly like the inclusion of the Channel Islands, as well as a superior Rhine border.

However, as SunZyl & myself have made plain before, the setup is rushed and bugged. There's no end of TI problems and the province file needs going through with a fine tooth combe

However, when it's actually got the sort of polish that WATK 3.1 has (and, hopefully furthermore and with a new culture system, that 3.2 will have...), then I shall certainly play it a lot!

 

[Sovereign]

Kasperus were going to make a converter to Vicky, can't remeber if he's already done one.

As I said in the Vicky forum, EP provides the best results for a converted game and AOI if you start on a later scenario.
AGCEEP has so many events that the outcome never gets plausible, but as a human player it's really fun to get those events. With AGCEEP the AI will lag behind in tech when you play Vicky, and very few areas will be colonized. Very few factories for other AI nations.

In EP the AI will colonize most of the world and behave historically. It gets several bonuses to stats and tech so you aren't able to control the world by 1550. Russia reaches the Pacific, Spain takes Inca and the Aztecs. The OE expands like it should, England suceeds in colonizing America several times. France doesn't end up owning all of the HRE.
The AI gets more cultures to be able to tech. It gets factories etc.
EP was also based upon AGCEEP so most of the events are included.

Thanks, I guess I needed this kind of more in-depth answer. Nothing like being half-way through a game and then suddenly wondering if you should have used some other mod. Maybe I'm just a grass-is-alwasy greener kinda guy.

 

[Kasperus]

Kasperus were going to make a converter to Vicky, can't remeber if he's already done one.

Not a converter (I'm not a programmer you know) but I rewrote the conversion files for montyp's eu2vic converter some time ago. It can be downloaded, link should be in the first post of watk thread I think... Unfortunately it only allows for conversion without cultural conversion, as that I made for the unreleased 3.2 only.