Enough talk about the civil war

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I am sick of threads and comments about the american civil war...it was not the most important event in this time period...please lets talk about somehing else...crimea for instance which is much more interesting conflict in my opinion...i think my goal in my very first game of victoria will be to invade the us as the uk or france and wipe them off the map by 1840

anyway this thread is dedicated to not mentioning you know what

i always wondered how history would have been different if russia had opened up its borders during the great european exodus and made an earnest attempt to settle its hinterlands...anyone else have thoughts about this?

 

[peo]

The Russians wasn't intrested in having more subjects.
They had a hard enough time to feed what they had.

 

[Zagys]

Originally posted by Becephalus
I am sick of threads and comments about the american civil war...it was not the most important event in this time period...please lets about somehing else...crimea for instance which is much more interesting conflict in my opinion...i think my goal in my very first game of victoria will be to invade the us as the uk or france and wipe them off the map by 1840

Amen.

Originally posted by Becephalus
i always wondered how history would have been different if russia had opened up its borders during the great european exodus and made an earnest attempt to settle its hinterlands...anyone else have thoughts about this?

Who would want to move to Russia?

 

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i know it was not feasable politically or socially...i was just wondering what people would think would have happened in a what if type of scenario...russia is not significantly less appealing (climate wise) than many parts of the US, minnesota for instance where i am from is probably a lot like irkutsk i would imagine

there was still ice on lake superior until last week...

 

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1. There will be a large american player base when the game comes out.

2. There is a large american player base now.

3. This large american player base along with some people of varying nations are also interested in this point of the game.

4. I like reading all the ACW threads.

5. Name a couple other Wars with 3 million combatants that took place in a nation that will buy units of this game.


Actually that is the reason I read this one.

 

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Re: Re: Enough talk about the civil war

Originally posted by Zagys
Who would want to move to Russia?

Exactly

 

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The fascination about the civil war is good for Paradox because if they model it right they will probably generate some nice cash. And cash means more resources. And more resources means even better titles for us the fans.

Having said that...I still hope that the Amwrican fan base realizes that the world is much bigger than just the US. Therefore they can´t expect every single little detail about the ACW being implemented.

 

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I want to see how the game can simulate the Russo-Japanese War. ^_^


Also, the Boxer Rebellion and the Great War will be interesting.

 

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Originally posted by Meiji-Tenno
I want to see how the game can simulate the Russo-Japanese War. ^_^


Also, the Boxer Rebellion and the Great War will be interesting.

Yes, I would like to see that too...

 

[aprof]

Originally posted by christianx
I hope that the American fan base realizes that the world is much bigger than just the US. Therefore they can´t expect every single little detail about the ACW being implemented.

I think we realize that there is/was quite a lot going on in the world besides what happens/happened in US history.

It's just that the American Civil War was the signal event of our nation -- it is what makes our nation what it is today. We study it in our schools. Our historians write about it -- at length. We know it.

What we don't know about is the Crimean War -- save Tennyson's poem, and we don't really grasp that.

We were bored with German and Italian unification wars when we studied World History II (though I do think we were taken with the "Iron Chancellor" Bismarck and Garibaldi and his Red Shirts).

Start interesting and informative threads on those and maybe we'll finally shut up about the Civil War.

 

[Avernite]

I want the ACW have only 5-9 events!

After all, the 80 years war has few more events, if you exclude the copy-pasting for all the majors.

 

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Originally posted by aprof
I think we realize that there is/was quite a lot going on in the world besides what happens/happened in US history.

It's just that the American Civil War was the signal event of our nation -- it is what makes our nation what it is today. We study it in our schools. Our historians write about it -- at length. We know it.

What we don't know about is the Crimean War -- save Tennyson's poem, and we don't really grasp that.

We were bored with German and Italian unification wars when we studied World History II (though I do think we were taken with the "Iron Chancellor" Bismarck and Garibaldi and his Red Shirts).

Start interesting and informative threads on those and maybe we'll finally shut up about the Civil War.

Hey...I never said that you guys should shut up al ready about the ACW. I understand that it was the start point for your nation.

However, I am just a bit concerned that once Victoria is released there will be a lot of, maybe not called for, angry complaints from your side of the world.
But don´t get me wrong I´m just as eager to play the CSA as anyone in here...

 

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I think in terms of events of the time, the Civil war was relativly minor compared to the Empire building that led to World War 1 - in which the USA was also involved.

 

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The Civil War was important in shaping the US at the time. It was the first industrialised war, and perhaps could have provided valuable lessons that could have avoided some of the blood shed during the first world War.

However...

It's no more or less important than the German wars of unification... WW1 is certainly the main event of the period - it shatters the German Empire, destroys the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Russia collapses and becomes the Soviet Union. The Ottamon Empire collapses - these are MAJOR events.

And it all led to the treaty of Versailles - which in tern led to World War 2...

 

[Innocent]

I am looking forward to seeing how the situation in Austria shapes up. When we begin the game in 1835, Austria (and mind you that is not Austria-Hungary) is under Metternick's absolutist rule. What will be very interesting is how the 1849 revolutions effect Austria. Historically they were forced to fight a three front war, the result of which was the booting of Metternick and the mentally underdeveloped Emperor (Ferdinand the Benign, isnt that a great name!), formally adopt a constitution, and call for Russian troops to intervene in Hungary.

When Francis-Joseph took over from Ferdinand he never allowed the constitution to be finished, after all his army had managed to restore order to the Empire, and began what is known as "neo-absolutist" rule in Austria. Finally the Austrian defeat in the Prusso-Austrian war of '66, which lead directly to the Hungarian revolt which forced the compromise of '67, creating constitutional governments in both halves of the now Dual-monarchy (with Francis-Joseph as both King of Hungary and Emperor of Austria).

And this is only the tip of the iceberg! What about the Austrian ability to control non-German and non-Magyar subjects, the Italians and Czechs especially. What of the Hungarians difficulties with their Slavic and Romanian subjects. Will there be any chance for Austria or later Austria-Hungary to avoid the problems that later destroyed the Empire?

I'm also looking forward to the wonderful number of military units that the Austro-Hungarian army fieled. With Italian infantry fighting the Russians, Croatian and Bosnian infantry against the Italians. Not to mention the Tyrolean Jaegers!

Of course there will be a limit to the detail that will govern any of the countries in the game.. I'm just left hoping Austria and Austria-Hungary will be given some of their historical flavor. They were definately unique entitites.

 

[Tim O]

while the wars that united Germany are just as important as the ACW I don't see any Germans writing about it. If you want to talk about that start a thread, don't knock Americans who want to talk about the ACW.

 

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Having said that...I still hope that the Amwrican fan base realizes that the world is much bigger than just the US. Therefore they can´t expect every single little detail about the ACW being implemented.

I can expect every single little detail about every war during the period to be implemented. And if we Americans can make the events surrounding our little internal conflicts more interesting and historic, we should have the ability to bring it up whenever we see fit to add another piece without being harassed for it.

 

[Montemurro]

Originally posted by Innocent
I am looking forward to seeing how the situation in Austria shapes up. When we begin the game in 1835, Austria (and mind you that is not Austria-Hungary) is under Metternick's absolutist rule. What will be very interesting is how the 1849 revolutions effect Austria. Historically they were forced to fight a three front war, the result of which was the booting of Metternick and the mentally underdeveloped Emperor (Ferdinand the Benign, isnt that a great name!), formally adopt a constitution, and call for Russian troops to intervene in Hungary.

When Francis-Joseph took over from Ferdinand he never allowed the constitution to be finished, after all his army had managed to restore order to the Empire, and began what is known as "neo-absolutist" rule in Austria. Finally the Austrian defeat in the Prusso-Austrian war of '66, which lead directly to the Hungarian revolt which forced the compromise of '67, creating constitutional governments in both halves of the now Dual-monarchy (with Francis-Joseph as both King of Hungary and Emperor of Austria).

And this is only the tip of the iceberg! What about the Austrian ability to control non-German and non-Magyar subjects, the Italians and Czechs especially. What of the Hungarians difficulties with their Slavic and Romanian subjects. Will there be any chance for Austria or later Austria-Hungary to avoid the problems that later destroyed the Empire?

I'm also looking forward to the wonderful number of military units that the Austro-Hungarian army fieled. With Italian infantry fighting the Russians, Croatian and Bosnian infantry against the Italians. Not to mention the Tyrolean Jaegers!

Of course there will be a limit to the detail that will govern any of the countries in the game.. I'm just left hoping Austria and Austria-Hungary will be given some of their historical flavor. They were definately unique entitites.

I hope for some focus on these aspects as well I've always had a special interest in Austro-Hungarian history (Mainly Hungary though).

The American Civil War on the contrary I know next to nothing about (Something about some southern hillbillies who got pissed of or something )

 

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effects

If you look at the effects of WWI on the modern world, you see that that are very few in any. There are no more colonial empires that WWI was fought over, no arms race between Germany and England, no Soviet Union that was formed because of it, nothing.
On the other hand if you look at the effects of the American Civil War, you seem them everywhere from: Kabul to Baghdad, from Moscow, Paris, and Berlin, where the respective leaders are basically begging President Bush to forgive them like little toodlers begging their parents for forgiveness, to New York, where the economic future of the entire world is decided. (This is probably the worst run-on sentence I have ever written )
The American Civil War was the catalyst needed to turn an Isolationist Agrarian republic into the United States of America that we know and love today.

 

[Duuk]

The ACW converted the Unites States of America from a plural term (these United States assembled) to a unified, federal state in which the individual states were beholden to the central government.

In effect, the ACW fundamentally changed our nation.

You can see why we're a little tense on making sure it's given its proper perspective.

Obviously, other events need to be modelled well. The Prussian Kingdom's ascendency to German Empire, the Italian Unification, the Chinese events, and the Meiji Restoration all come to mind.

I'm HOPING that Paradox allows a few teams to script events for various nations BEFORE the game goes to the translators.

I'm just as worried about the proper modelling of the Dowager Empress of China and her single handed destruction of China. I'm fairly concerned about making sure Britain doesn't automatically conquer the world.

But I'm hell bent to make sure that Manifest Destiny, the ACW, the conquest and pacification of the American west, and the Spanish American War (the war that made the US a global power) are done well.