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Well... er... I'd have to devise two very different tactics in order to defeat submarines made from the above mentioned materials.
Lemmesee...
**pondering**
Might as well make a list...
**scribble scribble**
ASW tactics; equipment needed for defeating unconventional submarines:
1. Swedish Wooden Submarine : Handsaw
2. Finnish Wooden Submarine : Handsaw, dictionary
3. Danish Pastry Submarine : Healthy appetite, napkin
4. Danish Snips and snails & puppy dog tails Submarine : Large wooden box for collecting and classifying snips, salt shaker, book on american contemporary children's rhymes.
Lemmesee...
**pondering**
Might as well make a list...
**scribble scribble**
ASW tactics; equipment needed for defeating unconventional submarines:
1. Swedish Wooden Submarine : Handsaw
2. Finnish Wooden Submarine : Handsaw, dictionary
3. Danish Pastry Submarine : Healthy appetite, napkin
4. Danish Snips and snails & puppy dog tails Submarine : Large wooden box for collecting and classifying snips, salt shaker, book on american contemporary children's rhymes.
Arntf said:
That was a good one.....
Russian submarine: Something to rescue the crew with when the torpedo fails
Mettermrck said:Mmm...Danish pastry submarine.
But when the danes find out what our trick is, we can just build our submarine out of lutefisk....they won't dare.
Edit: Let's continue to surface ships....nothing can be made out of wood, pastry or snips and snails and puppy dog tails
That'll be intresting
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kenneththegreat said:
Just one problem with the Norwegian lutefisk submarine though; the solution to defeating one is frighteningly similar to that of defeating the pastry sub. All you need is a healthy appetite and a side of small cut bacon and steamed potatoes... ;-) (Yes, I admit it, I actually like Lutefisk)
Anyway, how about an update?
Mettermrck said:Mmm...Danish pastry submarine.
I know... it makes my mouth water too
Arntf said:
Evil man....
Hmm.....Norwegian yellow snow ship.....just harden the snow, and voila, you have a ship noone dares to eat
American hamburger submarine.....yum
Thank you very much. Glad you like itThe_six_Shooter said:
Hehe well I don’t think that would be possible Allenby, and besides if I don’t have the Germans come knocking on my door then all that time spend on creating new aircrafts will be good for nothing…Allenby said:Now all you need is a non-aggression pact with Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the Soviet Union and you'll be able to complete the AAR without ever having to deal with the troublesome hassle of an invasion.
From what I can see you got everything right thereArntf said:
One have to love our neighbours, so easy to make jokes about :rofl:Damn, and I was hoping the lutefisk sub project wouldn’t be made public. It was supposed to be the secret Norwegian WMD….Arntf said:
Yes, I shall be doing an update pretty soon now. Back from holiday, and thanks to Mettermrck I have been able to fix my problems with the pictures. None of them was working upon my returned, so I have been working on moving them and editing the posts today… Again thanks to Mett for aiding me with finding a new place to host the pictures
So I hope to have an update ready today….
Air Force and Army, autumn 1938
Some weeks after the return of the Crown Prince and the Crown Princess from USA the first ship with the first delivery of the new aircrafts arrived from the USA. During some weeks in September of 38 several ships would arrive in Bergen Harbour with the new aircrafts, and in the end all the new aircrafts had arrived, and was transferred to Fornebu airport.
Fornebu airfield close to Oslo become the new home to the Norwegian Air Force’s Curtiss Hawk aircrafts
The entire Government and the General Staff was present at Fornebu when King Haakon officially accepted the new aircrafts in Norway in a grand ceremony. Several people would talk in their speeches about the importance of a working and good aircrafts in the modern world, and the Chief of Air Force, Hjalmar Riiser-Larsen, would express in his speech how great a day it was for Norway now that the realm had a working and good air force that would be able to do service and defend the Norwegian skies and the Norwegian ground forces against potentially hostile airplanes.
Just some days after the officially ceremony at Fornebu the General Staff was in a meeting.
Now it was time to plan both the first testing and exercises of the new planes in co-operation with the other weapon branches, but even more important they needed to get word to the Government and the Storting on what to use the military budget for the coming year on. They needed to decide what should have priority.
Otto Ruge smiled.
-Now gentlemen, these new aircrafts seems to be great, and I guess Riiser-Larsen is very satisfied…
-Yes, than you, sir. The Air Force is very satisfied and happy with the new planes
-Therefore I think now it is the Navy’s turn to get new ships. I must express that although I know you all think the Navy did well in our operations the Navy is to old to stand any chance in any major conflicts. The Navy is obsolete!
-Yes, we all know your position Diesen, but as Chief of Army I must say the Army needs more reinforcements, and we need it now. These aircrafts have taken to much focus away from the Army.
I say that now is the time for the Army to have more divisions.
From what I now understand General Fleischer thinks it would be very good for the Army to train a division specialised in mountain and winter warfare. These troops would be great in Norway, they can fight in the snow and in the mountains without trouble and a couple of these men should be able to hold back a much larger force for several days hiding in the mountains and holding the enemy back without much use of forces or equipment.
The Army says we train specialists!
-Most impressive speech Laake, I tend to agree, but for now I hear what you all say, and we shall decide upon this later.
Now about this exercise…
The new aircrafts shall fly in the area around Oslo, training on air superiority over the city and the rest of Østlandet. Also we should be able to train with the Army, teaching the men how to hid against incoming aircrafts and defend themselves.
Now I understand Diesen that the Navy would like to train in and around Bergen in defending the east coast, and training on amphibious landings?
-Yes, sir. The Navy would like to be able to train with the coastal fortresses on defence against incoming fleets and defence and attacks against coastal positions…
-Good. And the airforce?
-The new planes are ready, so I shall give the orders at once.
-The Army is looking forward to seeing the new aircrafts and training with them, so I think this should be good Ruge.
-Good, then we shall see to have the exercise started and then we shall return to decide on what we should be prioritising on the military budget next year…
The new air force in action
The exercise proved good, and the new planes did even better than anyone had expected, and the Chiefs were very satisfied. Now the questions ahead were what to train or build next to strengthen the military, also the question was how the planes would survive in the Norwegian winter. They had only been tested in fine weather and with temperatures over 0 degrees, so the winter would show if they would also work when the temperature dropped below 0.
Some weeks after the return of the Crown Prince and the Crown Princess from USA the first ship with the first delivery of the new aircrafts arrived from the USA. During some weeks in September of 38 several ships would arrive in Bergen Harbour with the new aircrafts, and in the end all the new aircrafts had arrived, and was transferred to Fornebu airport.
Fornebu airfield close to Oslo become the new home to the Norwegian Air Force’s Curtiss Hawk aircrafts
The entire Government and the General Staff was present at Fornebu when King Haakon officially accepted the new aircrafts in Norway in a grand ceremony. Several people would talk in their speeches about the importance of a working and good aircrafts in the modern world, and the Chief of Air Force, Hjalmar Riiser-Larsen, would express in his speech how great a day it was for Norway now that the realm had a working and good air force that would be able to do service and defend the Norwegian skies and the Norwegian ground forces against potentially hostile airplanes.
Just some days after the officially ceremony at Fornebu the General Staff was in a meeting.
Now it was time to plan both the first testing and exercises of the new planes in co-operation with the other weapon branches, but even more important they needed to get word to the Government and the Storting on what to use the military budget for the coming year on. They needed to decide what should have priority.
Otto Ruge smiled.
-Now gentlemen, these new aircrafts seems to be great, and I guess Riiser-Larsen is very satisfied…
-Yes, than you, sir. The Air Force is very satisfied and happy with the new planes
-Therefore I think now it is the Navy’s turn to get new ships. I must express that although I know you all think the Navy did well in our operations the Navy is to old to stand any chance in any major conflicts. The Navy is obsolete!
-Yes, we all know your position Diesen, but as Chief of Army I must say the Army needs more reinforcements, and we need it now. These aircrafts have taken to much focus away from the Army.
I say that now is the time for the Army to have more divisions.
From what I now understand General Fleischer thinks it would be very good for the Army to train a division specialised in mountain and winter warfare. These troops would be great in Norway, they can fight in the snow and in the mountains without trouble and a couple of these men should be able to hold back a much larger force for several days hiding in the mountains and holding the enemy back without much use of forces or equipment.
The Army says we train specialists!
-Most impressive speech Laake, I tend to agree, but for now I hear what you all say, and we shall decide upon this later.
Now about this exercise…
The new aircrafts shall fly in the area around Oslo, training on air superiority over the city and the rest of Østlandet. Also we should be able to train with the Army, teaching the men how to hid against incoming aircrafts and defend themselves.
Now I understand Diesen that the Navy would like to train in and around Bergen in defending the east coast, and training on amphibious landings?
-Yes, sir. The Navy would like to be able to train with the coastal fortresses on defence against incoming fleets and defence and attacks against coastal positions…
-Good. And the airforce?
-The new planes are ready, so I shall give the orders at once.
-The Army is looking forward to seeing the new aircrafts and training with them, so I think this should be good Ruge.
-Good, then we shall see to have the exercise started and then we shall return to decide on what we should be prioritising on the military budget next year…
The new air force in action
The exercise proved good, and the new planes did even better than anyone had expected, and the Chiefs were very satisfied. Now the questions ahead were what to train or build next to strengthen the military, also the question was how the planes would survive in the Norwegian winter. They had only been tested in fine weather and with temperatures over 0 degrees, so the winter would show if they would also work when the temperature dropped below 0.
Nice. But Fornebu isn't close to Oslo, it is (was) practically in Oslo. In fact, i lived only 2-3 kilometers from there until they moved, damn that was annoying
Excellent update there. I like how you let the characters discuss the choices you need to make.
Personally, I'd go for a strengthening of the army, since it is hideously small at the start of the scenario, with only two understrength divisions of 1918 type infantry... not much of a land force to meet those Jerries with, is it?
Personally, I'd go for a strengthening of the army, since it is hideously small at the start of the scenario, with only two understrength divisions of 1918 type infantry... not much of a land force to meet those Jerries with, is it?
Lord E said:Hehe well I don’t think that would be possible Allenby, and besides if I don’t have the Germans come knocking on my door then all that time spend on creating new aircrafts will be good for nothing…
Exactly - once you build the new airforce, you should declare war on Germany and see if they do anything. Like poking an alligator between the eyes with a big stick.
A recipe, filed under D for Disaster. You'd be Steve Irvin up the proverbial creek, without the proverbial paddle nor boat.
It'd be fun to watch though...
It'd be fun to watch though...
Arntf said:
And C for Castastrophy, D for Doom, D for Death, P for Pwned, K for Killed...
Yeah, I guess you are right, but still it was on the outskirts, and after all to get there you had to drive out of Oslo and into Akershuskenneththegreat said:
Thanks, yes I think it is a little cool to have them discuss, then I get more background behind what I do in the game, and I try to have them express different meanings and try to agree on what they should do or not do.Arntf said:
As you shall see in the next update the strengthening of the army gets even more important as the autumn of 38 passes by
He he well Allenby not quite yet I think. Don’t want the game to end by early 39, so the war will have to wait for some more timeAllenby said:Exactly - once you build the new airforce, you should declare war on Germany and see if they do anything. Like poking an alligator between the eyes with a big stick.
Hehe, well I always found Steve Irwin funny, so as you say it would be funny to watch, but it would probably end this game by 39Arntf said:
Danger and peace
-Please be quite! Quiet!
Now that is better… Well gentlemen as I have so far gathered the Storting have many different opinions on the matter, and the other parties also seem to be very active in expressing themselves.
Carl Joachim Hambro, Stortingspresident (Leader of the Storting)
Stortingspresident (the leader of the Storting) Carl Joachim Hambro looked up from where he was standing in the Storting. He could still hear the noise from the NS men outside, but at least now it was possible to get some order inside the Storting.
-As I said gentlemen it seems like the differences in opinion isn’t as great in the Storting as on the outside. I am glad that the Storting seems to be able to agree, now Mr. Prime Minister please continue
-Thank you Mr. President. It is the position of this government that it is necessary to get the government’s proposal through in the Storting. In the words of General Ruge, and I quote: The world to today is in a position of instability, and therefore the armed forces can no longer secure Norway and Norwegian territorial possessions without the strengthening of the armed forces.
So the government is going to agree to the proposal, and we have proposed to the Storting, after advise from the Chiefs, that the Storting should give the army founding to train a division of specialist in winter and mountain warfare, what Ruge likes to call mountain troops. Also the government feels that the expansion of the army with one new infantry division is needed.
I bring this before the Storting today confident that the members will understand the great needed for these new forces, and that the Storting will agree to secure the founding and equipment for the training and service of these divisions!
Stepping down Johan Nygaardsvold smiles. He knew that this debate wasn’t a problem. The government had been able to secure enough support even before the proposal entered the Storting for debate, so it was just a matter of time, and waiting to see what objections might be made by those members that hadn’t agreed to the proposal already.
The leader of Krf (Kristelig Folkeparti (Christian People’s Party) Nils Lavik stepped up to speak.
-Mr. President, honoured members. As you all know it has been important for KrF to make sure we are able to sue our position in opposition to this government to make sure that the government acts in the way that is needed, and important for Norway. It is the feelings of KrF that this proposal from the government is an outrage. Norway has better things to use its money on than the building of more armed forces. The proposed use of founds on the army will only increase the situation of danger. Our neighbours will see that Norway is using more money on armed forces, and that will probably make them do the same. That is something we can’t support, and we feel we must voice our concerns against the policy of this government. KrF will vote against the government on this matter.
As Lavik stepped down, Halvdan Koht, Foreign Minister turned to Nygaardsvold while smiling.
-Well Johan seems like we lost the support of KrF.
-Yes, Halvdan all their representatives, both of them, are going to vote against he he…
As Johan Nygaardsvold already knew the proposal would go easy through Stortinget, although some concerns was voiced by some members upon that thoughts of Lavik from KrF, but in the end the proposal went through with a great majority.
The proposal for the creation of both the mountain division and a new infantry division received a majority in the Storting.
Nygaardsvold knew what had really caused so many members of the Storting to agree to the proposal was the latest news from abroad. The voting on the proposal was on one of the first days of October, and after the news had arrived from Munich in late September it wasn’t really any wonder that the proposal went through.
The Treaty of Munich was signed on the 30th of September 1938
During all of September German forces had been standing ready at the border to Czechoslovakia, and after everything had happened it became clear that the Germans was just waiting for their possibility to invade, but in the end Mussolini had managed to get the leaders of France and Britain to come to Munich to talk with him and Hitler. Mussolini had made the proposal for the so called Treaty of Munich. This would give the mainly German populated area of Czechoslovakia, Sudetenland, to Germany and then there would be no war. In the end the Allied leaders had agreed without consulting the president of Czechoslovakia, and the British PM, Neville Chamberlain, got Hitler’s signature on a paper declaring that is should be “Peace in our time”
British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain upon his return form Munich in the autumn of 1938, declaring: "peace in our time"
The news had reached The Foreign Minister from the Norwegian Ambassador in London of Chamberlain’s speech, and the Norwegian ambassador in Berlin had been monitoring the conference the entire time so the government though they had a pretty good view on the situation. What had scared both the politicians and the military was that it seemed like Hitler was really going to war over Sudetenland, and a new war in Europe was a horrible though, therefore the news about the treaty and the peace agreement had made many people relax, but not within the military.
General Carl Gustav Fleischer went to England in 1938 for talks with General Lord John Gort
British General Lord John Gort, informed Fleischer that Britain was taking steps to reinforce their armed forces.
General Fleischer, had just returned from Britain where he had been holding talks with the British Chief of Army Lord John Gort. Having understood from these talks that both the British and the French military, as well as certain politicians in these countries were taken steps to make sure the countries were ready for war, and the news from London told that the British had increased their rearmament of the Royal Navy, and now Fleischer could inform the government that Lord Gort had told him that steps was taken to also strengthen the army. With such news the Chiefs had decided to put forth the proposal for both the new infantry and the mountain troops, although their original idea had been just the mountain troops, after the Treaty of Munich it was seen as necessary for Norway to increase its armed ground forces with both the mountain troops and more infantry.
It seemed clear that the chance of war had been lowered, and many people in Norway didn’t really understand why the government wanted more armed forces and also why this politics between the Great Powers should affect Norway, still the proposal went through, and many people felt that the world was entering a dangerous time. As 1938 passed away and 1939 began some people talked of the possible dangers ahead, but for most people the beginning of the new year was like a fresh start and a possibility to forget the events of the past. But for some the new year was not seen as a good thing, because the feared what the year might bring.
-Please be quite! Quiet!
Now that is better… Well gentlemen as I have so far gathered the Storting have many different opinions on the matter, and the other parties also seem to be very active in expressing themselves.
Carl Joachim Hambro, Stortingspresident (Leader of the Storting)
Stortingspresident (the leader of the Storting) Carl Joachim Hambro looked up from where he was standing in the Storting. He could still hear the noise from the NS men outside, but at least now it was possible to get some order inside the Storting.
-As I said gentlemen it seems like the differences in opinion isn’t as great in the Storting as on the outside. I am glad that the Storting seems to be able to agree, now Mr. Prime Minister please continue
-Thank you Mr. President. It is the position of this government that it is necessary to get the government’s proposal through in the Storting. In the words of General Ruge, and I quote: The world to today is in a position of instability, and therefore the armed forces can no longer secure Norway and Norwegian territorial possessions without the strengthening of the armed forces.
So the government is going to agree to the proposal, and we have proposed to the Storting, after advise from the Chiefs, that the Storting should give the army founding to train a division of specialist in winter and mountain warfare, what Ruge likes to call mountain troops. Also the government feels that the expansion of the army with one new infantry division is needed.
I bring this before the Storting today confident that the members will understand the great needed for these new forces, and that the Storting will agree to secure the founding and equipment for the training and service of these divisions!
Stepping down Johan Nygaardsvold smiles. He knew that this debate wasn’t a problem. The government had been able to secure enough support even before the proposal entered the Storting for debate, so it was just a matter of time, and waiting to see what objections might be made by those members that hadn’t agreed to the proposal already.
The leader of Krf (Kristelig Folkeparti (Christian People’s Party) Nils Lavik stepped up to speak.
-Mr. President, honoured members. As you all know it has been important for KrF to make sure we are able to sue our position in opposition to this government to make sure that the government acts in the way that is needed, and important for Norway. It is the feelings of KrF that this proposal from the government is an outrage. Norway has better things to use its money on than the building of more armed forces. The proposed use of founds on the army will only increase the situation of danger. Our neighbours will see that Norway is using more money on armed forces, and that will probably make them do the same. That is something we can’t support, and we feel we must voice our concerns against the policy of this government. KrF will vote against the government on this matter.
As Lavik stepped down, Halvdan Koht, Foreign Minister turned to Nygaardsvold while smiling.
-Well Johan seems like we lost the support of KrF.
-Yes, Halvdan all their representatives, both of them, are going to vote against he he…
As Johan Nygaardsvold already knew the proposal would go easy through Stortinget, although some concerns was voiced by some members upon that thoughts of Lavik from KrF, but in the end the proposal went through with a great majority.
The proposal for the creation of both the mountain division and a new infantry division received a majority in the Storting.
Nygaardsvold knew what had really caused so many members of the Storting to agree to the proposal was the latest news from abroad. The voting on the proposal was on one of the first days of October, and after the news had arrived from Munich in late September it wasn’t really any wonder that the proposal went through.
The Treaty of Munich was signed on the 30th of September 1938
During all of September German forces had been standing ready at the border to Czechoslovakia, and after everything had happened it became clear that the Germans was just waiting for their possibility to invade, but in the end Mussolini had managed to get the leaders of France and Britain to come to Munich to talk with him and Hitler. Mussolini had made the proposal for the so called Treaty of Munich. This would give the mainly German populated area of Czechoslovakia, Sudetenland, to Germany and then there would be no war. In the end the Allied leaders had agreed without consulting the president of Czechoslovakia, and the British PM, Neville Chamberlain, got Hitler’s signature on a paper declaring that is should be “Peace in our time”
British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain upon his return form Munich in the autumn of 1938, declaring: "peace in our time"
The news had reached The Foreign Minister from the Norwegian Ambassador in London of Chamberlain’s speech, and the Norwegian ambassador in Berlin had been monitoring the conference the entire time so the government though they had a pretty good view on the situation. What had scared both the politicians and the military was that it seemed like Hitler was really going to war over Sudetenland, and a new war in Europe was a horrible though, therefore the news about the treaty and the peace agreement had made many people relax, but not within the military.
General Carl Gustav Fleischer went to England in 1938 for talks with General Lord John Gort
British General Lord John Gort, informed Fleischer that Britain was taking steps to reinforce their armed forces.
General Fleischer, had just returned from Britain where he had been holding talks with the British Chief of Army Lord John Gort. Having understood from these talks that both the British and the French military, as well as certain politicians in these countries were taken steps to make sure the countries were ready for war, and the news from London told that the British had increased their rearmament of the Royal Navy, and now Fleischer could inform the government that Lord Gort had told him that steps was taken to also strengthen the army. With such news the Chiefs had decided to put forth the proposal for both the new infantry and the mountain troops, although their original idea had been just the mountain troops, after the Treaty of Munich it was seen as necessary for Norway to increase its armed ground forces with both the mountain troops and more infantry.
It seemed clear that the chance of war had been lowered, and many people in Norway didn’t really understand why the government wanted more armed forces and also why this politics between the Great Powers should affect Norway, still the proposal went through, and many people felt that the world was entering a dangerous time. As 1938 passed away and 1939 began some people talked of the possible dangers ahead, but for most people the beginning of the new year was like a fresh start and a possibility to forget the events of the past. But for some the new year was not seen as a good thing, because the feared what the year might bring.
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Nice update
I don't know about 'beating' the germans, but repelling them? Quite possible
I don't know about 'beating' the germans, but repelling them? Quite possible
Nice post. For a moment I thought you were telling us readers to 'please be quiet'.