Ok, so it's harder to kill a Finnish submarine, but it's not that much harder. One skilled swimmer could do it, given ten minutes and a saw...
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Yes, more about the fighters coming up. Well I think you are correct about those plans, but I am not 100 % sureArntf said:Yay, new fighters!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that a purchase of new fighters (the Curtiss P-75) was on the cards IRL, but the plans were put on hold for too long...
Yes, I am planning on some more infantry when the fighters are finished, as for the navy I have created one destroyer unit before, maybe I shall create one transport unit, but for now the plans are to make a stronger armyMettermrck said:
He he that joke is always cool, but as have been said it actually is about the Swedish submarinesyourworstnightm said:
But don’t worry no plans for subs, that would be silly since what would I need those for, can’t defend the Norwegian mountains form below the sea Indeed, building up the navy takes to long time, so for now the army is number one on the list and then maybe some more aircrafts, and perhaps some transportsDraco Rexus said:Yea! Fighters! Well, Curtiss P-75s, but still, better than nothing, eh?
For the time being, I really think the Norwegian army needs to be strengthened, and not because of any issues with the submarines (
Thank you, I am glad you like it. I shall have a new update up soonJoGi said:
Now, now, now… no need to be that evil to the Finns, I mean it would actually take 15 not 10 minutes… he he heArntf said:
Alright a new update is coming up next!
Air force, Anschluss and the US
During the autumn of 1937 the construction of the new air force had begun in the USA, and the Chief of Air force, Hjalmar Riiser-Larsen had made a couple of trips across the Atlantic to oversee both the construction and see the US Airforce in action. He also had talks with the US Chief of Air force, as well as the White House, but that was not about the new air force, but about something else.
Decisions had been made already a year before that to strengthen the ties between the US and Norway there was to be an official visit from Norway to the USA. And so when Riiser-Larsen was in the US he also had to work with the White House to prepare the Royal visit in the summer of 38. President Roosevelt was very much excited to meet the Norwegian Crown Prince Olav and the Crown Princess Märtha during the summer of 1938. So when Riiser-Larsen returned to Norway in the spring of 38 he had both a letter to the King and the Crown Prince form the President in his bag as well as drawings and pictures of the new aircrafts that was under construction.
But again news from the continent would overshadow the internal news in Norway. In a cabinet meeting on the 13th of March the Foreign Minister, Halvdan Koht arrived late. His face was white from shock, and he wasn’t able to say much for a couple of minutes.
-T..t… the Germans…. They… have annexed Austria into Germany
-What Halvdan, what do you mean?
-The Germans have managed to get Austria to agree to become a part of Germany. It seems like Hitler have made a coupe against the Austrian government, and as such he has managed to get National socialists to agree that Austria should be a part of Germany.
So in other words Germany has annex Austria.
-So do the Great powers declare war?
-Certainly now they must act!
-No, Johan they aren’t going to do anything. And Trygve I am afraid they won’t act. They want to keep the peace, and since it seems like most Austrians agreed there isn’t really anything they can do. It would only be silly to start a war now…
-Well you might be right Halvdan, but I still fear that this isn’t the last act of Hitler… It only remains to see for how long Britain and France want to keep the peace.
German and Austrian border patrols removing the border check points between the two countries after the Anschluss of Austria.
As the spring of 38 continue the situation calmed down, and nothing more happened on the Continent.
In Norway life went on as normal and daily reports arrive from the US on the construction of the aircrafts. On the 17th of July the news arrive that the government and the Chiefs had waited for. The aircrafts was ready to be delivered.
The news had arrive from across the Atlantic, the squadron of Curtiss Hawk P-75 A order by the Norwegian government in the late summer of 37 had finished construction and the planes was ready to be delivered to Norway.
With the aircrafts ready, now the only thing that remained was to get them to Norway and start using them in the air force. But since the Crown Prince and the Crown Princesses was just about to leave for the US, it was decided the fighters should first be shipped to Norway after the Royal visit, and in agreement with Washington it was agreed that the Crown Prince and the President was to get to see the new aircrafts as a part of the visit before the planes was shipped to Norway.
So as the Royals left Norway in early August the Chiefs at home was very much excited and they had already started planning the exercises that autumn where they would get to use the new aircrafts, but before that a new development in the relationship between Norway and the USA was to about to happen.
During the autumn of 1937 the construction of the new air force had begun in the USA, and the Chief of Air force, Hjalmar Riiser-Larsen had made a couple of trips across the Atlantic to oversee both the construction and see the US Airforce in action. He also had talks with the US Chief of Air force, as well as the White House, but that was not about the new air force, but about something else.
Decisions had been made already a year before that to strengthen the ties between the US and Norway there was to be an official visit from Norway to the USA. And so when Riiser-Larsen was in the US he also had to work with the White House to prepare the Royal visit in the summer of 38. President Roosevelt was very much excited to meet the Norwegian Crown Prince Olav and the Crown Princess Märtha during the summer of 1938. So when Riiser-Larsen returned to Norway in the spring of 38 he had both a letter to the King and the Crown Prince form the President in his bag as well as drawings and pictures of the new aircrafts that was under construction.
But again news from the continent would overshadow the internal news in Norway. In a cabinet meeting on the 13th of March the Foreign Minister, Halvdan Koht arrived late. His face was white from shock, and he wasn’t able to say much for a couple of minutes.
-T..t… the Germans…. They… have annexed Austria into Germany
-What Halvdan, what do you mean?
-The Germans have managed to get Austria to agree to become a part of Germany. It seems like Hitler have made a coupe against the Austrian government, and as such he has managed to get National socialists to agree that Austria should be a part of Germany.
So in other words Germany has annex Austria.
-So do the Great powers declare war?
-Certainly now they must act!
-No, Johan they aren’t going to do anything. And Trygve I am afraid they won’t act. They want to keep the peace, and since it seems like most Austrians agreed there isn’t really anything they can do. It would only be silly to start a war now…
-Well you might be right Halvdan, but I still fear that this isn’t the last act of Hitler… It only remains to see for how long Britain and France want to keep the peace.
German and Austrian border patrols removing the border check points between the two countries after the Anschluss of Austria.
As the spring of 38 continue the situation calmed down, and nothing more happened on the Continent.
In Norway life went on as normal and daily reports arrive from the US on the construction of the aircrafts. On the 17th of July the news arrive that the government and the Chiefs had waited for. The aircrafts was ready to be delivered.
The news had arrive from across the Atlantic, the squadron of Curtiss Hawk P-75 A order by the Norwegian government in the late summer of 37 had finished construction and the planes was ready to be delivered to Norway.
With the aircrafts ready, now the only thing that remained was to get them to Norway and start using them in the air force. But since the Crown Prince and the Crown Princesses was just about to leave for the US, it was decided the fighters should first be shipped to Norway after the Royal visit, and in agreement with Washington it was agreed that the Crown Prince and the President was to get to see the new aircrafts as a part of the visit before the planes was shipped to Norway.
So as the Royals left Norway in early August the Chiefs at home was very much excited and they had already started planning the exercises that autumn where they would get to use the new aircrafts, but before that a new development in the relationship between Norway and the USA was to about to happen.
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That joke WAS made for Swedish subs.
And their submarines make so much noise a deaf man at the exact center point in the USA could hear them while they are in Stockholm
And their submarines make so much noise a deaf man at the exact center point in the USA could hear them while they are in Stockholm
Arntf said:
It's very hard to kill a finnish submarine, since there is no such thing!
Yeah, we realized how easy it is to sink a submarine, so we never bothered to accuiring any (since we anyway only would afford the norwegian model) . (acctaully it was a part of the Soviet- finnish peace agreement after WWII, that Finland shouldn't have any submarines).
. (acctaully it was a part of the Soviet- finnish peace agreement after WWII, that Finland shouldn't have any submarines).
Indeed it was, but not to worry I will not make any more subs in this gamekenneththegreat said:That joke WAS made for Swedish subs.
And their submarines make so much noise a deaf man at the exact center point in the USA could hear them while they are in Stockholm
He hehe well if you had bought the Norwegian model you would have got the best one in the worldyourworstnightm said:Yeah, we realized how easy it is to sink a submarine, so we never bothered to accuiring any (since we anyway only would afford the norwegian model)
Ok, evil Soviet punishing you like that… then again maybe they just did you a favour.
Alright everyone new update coming up
The Royal visit to the USA
In early August 1938 the Crown Prince and the Crown Princess of Norway, along with several members of the government had left Norway and sailed across the Atlantic to the USA. The Royal visit was intended on making sure close and good relations between Norway and the US could be secured and made strong. Therefore the Crown Prince had a secret paper in his suitcase when he left, that might secure just the wanted relations.
As the ship arrived in New York harbour the Norwegian Royals are greeted by US officials, and from there they are driven to the White House. Here the Royals are introduced to President Roosevelt and his wife.
Eleanor Roosevelt, Crown Princesses Märtha and Crown Prince Olav.
The President and his wife greet the Norwegian couple as old friends and the welcoming to the US are seen as very friendly by the Norwegian representatives. The Presidential couple and the Royals have a private dinner, before ending the program of the day.
The next day the President and the Crown Prince went to see the new aircrafts of the Norwegian Air Force in action at an US Air Force base. Impressed by what he saw the Crown Prince was quoted in the press having said:
”I am sure these new aircrafts will do Norway good, and I can only hope your pilots is as good at handling them as the Americans seem to be.”
Back in Norway the military was only awaiting their chance to get their hands on the new planes and put them into action, and after seeing the Crown Prince’s comments the pilots of the Norwegian Air Force got just keener on testing the new planes out, and now the day would soon arrive, because the first planes left the USA just as the President and the Crown Prince was about to leave the air base. The planes were carried on trucks to New York and from there they were to shipped to Norway.
Later that day an official dinner was hosted in the White House, and the next day the Norwegians hosted an official dinner in the Norwegian embassy.
During the visit the President and the Crown Prince had got much time to talk together confidentially and in private, and it was rumoured that President Roosevelt had given his personal promise that he would make everything he could to aid Norway in staying neutral in the event of an other European war. Also some rumours even circulated that the President had promised not just to try to protect the neutrality, but possibly also intervene military for the defence of Norway.
But in the end it was all rumours circulating in the press, as well as in the diplomatic channels, it remained to be seen what would really happen in the event of a new war in Europe.
But on the last day of the visit one thing was made sure through a joint statement in the White House from the president and the Crown Prince. To strengthen and secure good connections and ties the United States of American and the Kingdom of Norway had agreed to a pact of non-aggression.
Although the only official words was about the non-aggression pact and also some good trade deals between the two realms, it soon became clear through unofficial channels, that the paper the Crown Prince had brought with him to the US, and President Roosevelt had agreed to, seemed to contained more than just a pact of non-aggression.
In early August 1938 the Crown Prince and the Crown Princess of Norway, along with several members of the government had left Norway and sailed across the Atlantic to the USA. The Royal visit was intended on making sure close and good relations between Norway and the US could be secured and made strong. Therefore the Crown Prince had a secret paper in his suitcase when he left, that might secure just the wanted relations.
As the ship arrived in New York harbour the Norwegian Royals are greeted by US officials, and from there they are driven to the White House. Here the Royals are introduced to President Roosevelt and his wife.
Eleanor Roosevelt, Crown Princesses Märtha and Crown Prince Olav.
The President and his wife greet the Norwegian couple as old friends and the welcoming to the US are seen as very friendly by the Norwegian representatives. The Presidential couple and the Royals have a private dinner, before ending the program of the day.
The next day the President and the Crown Prince went to see the new aircrafts of the Norwegian Air Force in action at an US Air Force base. Impressed by what he saw the Crown Prince was quoted in the press having said:
”I am sure these new aircrafts will do Norway good, and I can only hope your pilots is as good at handling them as the Americans seem to be.”
Back in Norway the military was only awaiting their chance to get their hands on the new planes and put them into action, and after seeing the Crown Prince’s comments the pilots of the Norwegian Air Force got just keener on testing the new planes out, and now the day would soon arrive, because the first planes left the USA just as the President and the Crown Prince was about to leave the air base. The planes were carried on trucks to New York and from there they were to shipped to Norway.
Later that day an official dinner was hosted in the White House, and the next day the Norwegians hosted an official dinner in the Norwegian embassy.
During the visit the President and the Crown Prince had got much time to talk together confidentially and in private, and it was rumoured that President Roosevelt had given his personal promise that he would make everything he could to aid Norway in staying neutral in the event of an other European war. Also some rumours even circulated that the President had promised not just to try to protect the neutrality, but possibly also intervene military for the defence of Norway.
But in the end it was all rumours circulating in the press, as well as in the diplomatic channels, it remained to be seen what would really happen in the event of a new war in Europe.
But on the last day of the visit one thing was made sure through a joint statement in the White House from the president and the Crown Prince. To strengthen and secure good connections and ties the United States of American and the Kingdom of Norway had agreed to a pact of non-aggression.
Although the only official words was about the non-aggression pact and also some good trade deals between the two realms, it soon became clear through unofficial channels, that the paper the Crown Prince had brought with him to the US, and President Roosevelt had agreed to, seemed to contained more than just a pact of non-aggression.
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It's not like Norway needed a non- agression pact with US, but hey, it's the first step towards a guarantee of independence or an alliance, let's see if the germans dare to invade!
Of course you need the US to maintain your independence. A wise move on your part. I'm continuing to enjoy the story. Good job, sir.
Thank you, and thanks for the information…kenneththegreat said:
No, but at least it is a place to start… and since we can’t ally since Norway is democratic with little support for war and the US is democratic with little support for war and they are isolationists so at least it is a startyourworstnightm said:
Thank you, glad to hear that you like it. This is a start and then in the end I might get the US to agree to declare that they will defend my independence. We shall see what happensMettermrck said:Of course you need the US to maintain your independence. A wise move on your part. I'm continuing to enjoy the story. Good job, sir.
Well I thank you all for all your comments, but I am afraid you have to wait a week for the next update. I am leaving tomorrow on holiday, and therefore I won’t be able to write a new update until I return home in one week. So you just have to wait one week to see what happens next…
This is an excellent AAR keep it up, good story telling, the updates are such about the right size each time, and I love the intermixing of screenshots & pictures
Now all you need is a non-aggression pact with Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the Soviet Union and you'll be able to complete the AAR without ever having to deal with the troublesome hassle of an invasion.
yourworstnightm said:Yeah, we realized how easy it is to sink a submarine, so we never bothered to accuiring any (since we anyway only would afford the norwegian model)
The real reason is that sinking finnish submarines is just as easy:
You just swim down and knock on the door, they'll open and say "Hah! We won't fall for that one, we're not as stupid as the Norwegians!"
yourworstnightm said:Yeah, i guess that's true!
And the Swedes say "hah, we won't fall for that one, we're not as stupid as the Norwegians or the Finns"
kenneththegreat said:
Meanwhile, I just swim around with my trusty handsaw... *Wonder what Danish subs are made of...*