Enhancement: Transylvania provinces/culture/terrain

[User4035]

Transylvania is obviously quite popular so lets get it right!


Regarding provinces:
The area would also benefit from adding 1 more province.Currently the only mountain region is Maros and Maramaros. The current province of Hunyad also seems a bit large. It should be split in two with the lower region being mountains/hills. Upper region being hills.

Here is a topographical map:

It might be a little difficult to research for c. 1400-1520 for this region regarding cultures but here is what I've found:
A suggestion is that you can add a Szekey sub culture to Hungarian. Maros province and the new province get those cultures. Make Hungary a cultural union of those 2. Or just leave t as Hungarian.
The new smaller province of Hunyad should be changed to Romanian.
The map also shows saxon settlers but those get eventually get integrated into romanian and hungarian.

Regarding Wallachia

The provinces seem a bit off. 3 in a row and all farmlands. there should be some mountains in there.
I suggest the 3 provinces be tweaked. Have an elongated northen province that is mountains or hills. And then an eastern and western province. And they all meet in the middle.
In the image below the counties split the country in the middle from east to west.

I am suggesting more mountains and hills is partly because they are obviously there, and partly for some fun gameplay as hills and mountains provide some nice defensive provinces for nations to use.

 

[123e55]

well.. I don't think there's a difference between vlach, moldavian and transylvanian ( if you want to call them like that ) except few words.

 

[Mad King James]

Really there should be an Eastern Romance group with Romanian, Aromanian and Dalmatian cultures. To represent the Aromanians in the mountains northeast of Thessaly and throughout Greece, Kastoria province could be Aromanian. Ragusa's primary culture would be changed to Dalmatian (that was the vernacular language of the Republic) though over time the republic became more and more Croatian. I think the timeframe is too late for Dalmatian culture in Dalmatia and Istria, it was still a civic language in Split and Zadar and such, but the provinces themselves were long since Croatian.

 

[123e55]

God, nearly forgot about aromans! Thanks for The reply!

 

[Mad King James]

The story of Dalmatian Vlachs is a complex one, but suffice it to say by the time the EU4 period begins, most of them had been assimilated into the Serb or Croat communities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs_of_Croatia

 

[Kiyant]

I personally think there also should be a Cuman culture.
(Maybe in the Magyar culture group so it doesnt stand there alone)

 

[123e55]

A population system, like in victoria 2 , would fit so good! Something like, in Silistre, there would be 60% bulgarians and 40% romanians ( it is an example )
It doesn't need to be complicated for paradox to do that, because they don't need to put numbers like 34, 75, they can round the numbers
And it don't needs to be that historically true.. because there are not exact dates about the populations in that times

 

[User4035]

A population system, like in victoria 2 , would fit so good! Something like, in Silistre, there would be 60% bulgarians and 40% romanians ( it is an example )
It doesn't need to be complicated for paradox to do that, because they don't need to put numbers like 34, 75, they can round the numbers
And it don't needs to be that historically true.. because there are not exact dates about the populations in that times

EU4 devs don't like to hear the word "population".

 

[123e55]

EU4 devs don't like to hear the word "population".

Population is love, population is life

 

[User4035]

Population is love, population is life

Keep this up and they will lock the thread. They'll take away our privileges. And then they will make us speak Hungarian!!!

 

[123e55]

Keep this up and they will lock the thread. They'll take away our privileges. And then they will make us speak Hungarian!!!

This sounds so nationalistic xD
burn da' kebab.
serbians know what I mean.

 

[Itchel]

This never occurred. The Magyars of Transylvania are the Szekely, the Germans of Transylvania are the "Saxons" (they were actually from the Rhineland) and together these groups formed the ruling aristocracy of Transylvania. These two groups only made up a majority in a few areas, all other areas had a Romanian and Orthodox majority population ruled over by a Magyar and German aristocracy.

Only within those yellow areas do Szekely form a majority, only in the blue areas did Germans form a majority, and Hungarians didn't form a majority anywhere (though about a third of the aristocrats were Magyar from Hungary).

Not exactly, the blue part you have on your first map is not the Romanian populated area, it was the part of Transylvania that was owned by the Prince of Wallachia.

The Romanian populated area is all the other areas.

Szekely is a what hungarians call "transylvanians" and Szekely is a subgroup of hungarian and if you mean to say ALL of this tannish orange stuff is romanian while it's ignoring the rus in the north province of maramaros dont you think this means that this map would be innacurate?(That is, If it actually said all these "counties" were Romanian, Which it does NOT, It says that they are just normal counties with no primary ethnic group or culture)

To quote: Antun Vrančić (Antonius Verancsics) (1504–1573) wrote about the inhabitants of Transylvania and about the Romanians: "the country is inhabited by three nations, Székelys, Hungarians, Saxons; I would nevertheless add the Romanians, who, though they rather outnumber [the others(?)] have no freedom, no aristocracy, no right of their own, besides a small number living in the Haţeg district, where they say Decebal’s capital was, and who, during the time of John Hunyadi, born there, were granted aristocratic status because they had always taken part in the struggle against the Turks. The other [Romanians] are all commoners, bondsmen to the Hungarians and having no place of their own, spread everywhere, throughout the country" and lead "a miserable life".

I doubt a majority would be struggling, They may have been a majority in the whole of transylvania but as I said earlier they were way too sparsely populated and couldn't make up a majority in their county or area

Also haven't you noticed in eu4 they don't make culture based on the lands a city controlls, They make the culture based on which culture was the majority IN the city and only the city

And the cities they choose are the biggest cities in the area

 

[Martin_Mortyry]

Also havent you noticed in eu4 they dont make culture based on the lands a city controlls, They make the culture based on which culture was the majority IN the city and only the city

And that's why Lwów is Ruthenian in 1444? When encountered with this issue, Wiz mentioned the ethnicity of a province was based on population overall. I think it was back in one of the pre-Common Sense Dev Diaries, but I can't recall which one.

Of what I read some time ago, most of Hungarians fled from Transylvania during Ottoman rule, similarly to Serbs from Kosovo in mid XIX century. I would say it would be pretty fair to give Romanians and "Saxons" some provinces in Transylvania, but should they be majority overall? I don't think so. Then again, I'm not an expert on the subject, I just quote my sources.

 

[Itchel]

And that's why Lwów is Ruthenian in 1444? When encountered with this issue, Wiz mentioned the ethnicity of a province was based on population overall. I think it was back in one of the pre-Common Sense Dev Diaries, but I can't recall which one.

Of what I read some time ago, most of Hungarians fled from Transylvania during Ottoman rule, similarly to Serbs from Kosovo in mid XIX century. I would say it would be pretty fair to give Romanians and "Saxons" some provinces in Transylvania, but should they be majority overall? I don't think so. Then again, I'm not an expert on the subject, I just quote my sources.

Yeh, I believe it goes like this for the whole of transylvania 1.Hungarian 2.Romanian 3.Saxon/Szekely 4.Rus 5.etc. but Romanian could be even a smaller minority than even that list as that list I posted was just my speculation

 

[123e55]

There can be events that happen during time (in the far game) that changes slowly the population into Romanian because, in 1800s, they were surely a majority.