English Tradition 20% Accepted Culture is useless and replace with 10% seige ability

[Sebastian83]

20% accepted culture is of no use. Irish and Welsh cultures will never even reach 20% as the number of provinces with these 2 cultures are limited on the British isles only.
At most Bengali culture is accepted later on in the game when GB colonizes large areas of India in the 18th century. But GB can form Trade Company in India which will accept the Bengali culture and no unrest will be created.

Hence, I suggest to either increase the accepted culture to 50% or higher or remove this tradition and replace it with another more useful tradition like 10% siege ability for English tradition.

This is because I notice GB does not have any bonus for siege ability as it does not have the offensive idea if you play later bookmarks. And this will affect the length of GB sieges, thus slowing down its expansion.

 

[Santoes]

You're better off arguing that the British where not very accepting of cultures, as that bonus isn't useless.

 

[Incompetent]

20% reduced accepted culture threshold is indeed largely useless on its own.

But if you stack it with similar modifiers...

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...d-can-have-100-cultural-acceptance-threshhold

 

[blasteg]

20% reduced accepted culture threshold is indeed useless on its own.

Stack it with similar modifiers, on the other hand...

I remember seeing a screen shot, where England managed to get -100% accepted culture threshold, freaking awesome.
But Wiz said it's now has a 1% min now.

 

[Alerias]

Yeah, given how nice the English were with minorities on 'their' islands, lower culture conversion costs might make more sense than this one.

 

[YouMust99]

Yeah, given how nice the English were with minorities on 'their' islands, lower culture conversion costs might make more sense than this one.

Why? There are still Scots, Irish, and Welsh around even though England controlled/controls them still.

 

[Santoes]

What if the problem wasn't a useless NI, but in fact a very BT rich nation surrounded by poor countries. Sounds like a buff Ireland and Scotland thread to me.

 

[Sebastian83]

Yeah, given how nice the English were with minorities on 'their' islands, lower culture conversion costs might make more sense than this one.

Agreed. A lower culture conversion cost is much better than 20% accepted culture. But I still prefer GB should have some sort of bonus in siege ability given the fact that GB is able to expand overseas easily and captured large parts of India easily in history.

 

[Incompetent]

What if the problem wasn't a useless NI, but in fact a very BT rich nation surrounded by poor countries. Sounds like a buff Ireland and Scotland thread to me.

I think the base tax of Ireland seems to be based on what the population was like after Cromwell had finished with it, rather than what it was like in 1444.

It's a problem generally in EU4 - base taxes are too static and the impact of protracted warfare or 'harsh treatment' is not properly simulated. Early modern wars could be extremely brutal affairs, in which a large fraction of the population (in some cases more than 50%) was killed by famine, disease or outright massacres, and it would take generations for the region to recover. At the same time, the world economy grew considerably in the period, so relatively peaceful areas should be a lot richer in 1819 than they are in 1444.

 

[Sebastian83]

I think the base tax of Ireland seems to be based on what the population was like after Cromwell had finished with it, rather than what it was like in 1444.

It's a problem generally in EU4 - base taxes are too static and the impact of protracted warfare or 'harsh treatment' is not properly simulated. Early modern wars could be extremely brutal affairs, in which a large fraction of the population (in some cases more than 50%) was killed by famine, disease or outright massacres, and it would take generations for the region to recover. At the same time, the world economy grew considerably in the period, so relatively peaceful areas should be a lot richer in 1819 than they are in 1444.

Also, please increase the base tax of provinces in Ireland, Wales and Scotland to match the provinces of France. I do not see the reason why the British Isles are in anyway poorer than the rest of the world. Especially France had too high base tax in its provinces whereas, British provinces are too poor in comparison. This does not make sense to me when in fact GB was a great power in the 18th and 19th centuries.

 

[Freudia]

This does not make sense to me when in fact GB was a great power in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Great Britain was not a great power in the 18th century because of what it had on the British Isles, but because of what it had not on the British Isles. 19th century was the Industrial Revolution, though.

 

[Von Templar]

Also, please increase the base tax of provinces in Ireland, Wales and Scotland to match the provinces of France. I do not see the reason why the British Isles are in anyway poorer than the rest of the world. Especially France had too high base tax in its provinces whereas, British provinces are too poor in comparison. This does not make sense to me when in fact GB was a great power in the 18th and 19th centuries.

That is because historically French provinces were much more wealthy and populous than provinces in Ireland, Wales and Scotland.

 

[Von Templar]

Great Britain was not a great power in the 18th century because of what it had on the British Isles, but because of what it had not on the British Isles. 19th century was the Industrial Revolution, though.

Yes GB became a super power because of its empire feeding it raw materials. The British provinces themselves are relatively poor population and resources at the time of the game in comparison to say French or German provinces.

 

[Incompetent]

That is because historically French provinces were much more wealthy and populous than provinces in Ireland, Wales and Scotland.

They were a lot more populous than northern England as well. Southern England was reasonably densely populated by early modern standards, but we're talking about a fairly small area of land. The demographic situation gradually shifted in favour of England over the course of the early modern era, then it shifted dramatically as England experienced a population boom in the 18th and 19th centuries, while France stagnated. As late as the French revolution, France made up about 20% of the entire population of Europe.

 

[hashinshin]

I feel as though colonies give too LITTLE force limit now. It's not uncommon for France to have 200+ force limit, and England to have MAYBE... 90.

 

[ChildeR]

20% accepted culture is of no use. Irish and Welsh cultures will never even reach 20% as the number of provinces with these 2 cultures are limited on the British isles only.

You do realize it's -20%? I.e. it reduces the default thresholds of 20%/10% to 16%/8% or the with-humanism thresholds of 10%/5% to 6%/3%. It is the reason that Gascon is an accepted culture at game start and means that adding humanism would also add Welsh, Norman and Cosmopolitaine, if you could white peace the HYW (ignoring some details).

Also, I would argue that there is no reason every NI/tradition should be useful. Flavorful, but useless is fine, leaving aside the question of whether this is flavorful for England.

 

[Santoes]

You do realize it's -20%? I.e. it reduces the default thresholds of 20%/10% to 16%/8% or the with-humanism thresholds of 10%/5% to 6%/3%. It is the reason that Gascon is an accepted culture at game start and means that adding humanism would also add Welsh, Norman and Cosmopolitaine, if you could white peace the HYW (ignoring some details).

Also, I would argue that there is no reason every NI/tradition should be useful. Flavorful, but useless is fine, leaving aside the question of whether this is flavorful for England.

The whole accepted culture thing is kind of gamey to begin with. You're best primary cultures are the poor ones, like Scottish for example. They would have no problem accepting Irish, Welsh, and English with out any humanism. England on the other hand could get almost everything accepted if it worked for it.

I disagree on having useless NI's. There isn't many out there, but I have thought of making a thread on one in particular. West African Hausa has a trade steering towards inland NI, which is completely stupid useless. The flavor for it talks about how the Hausa are good at getting goods to there market. Except there is no trade to steer to there market.

 

[durvas]

10% siege is bland. It would be cooler if it was something new like +1 to blockade siege score, so they would have an advantage sieging coastal areas.

 

[sermaciej]

u w0t m8? Bonus to accepted culture is not useless!

 

[Mikalos]

u w0t m8? Bonus to accepted culture is not useless!

it is when im busy purging the world of the useless other cultures