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i know there are many threads about this but they are either outdated (previous patches) or they don't help much at least they dont help me.

how to get france in pu as england in 1444 i tried schorching earth i can do it with 1 province (lack of military points) and thats it if i focus my forces on scotland by the time im done sieging france has already taken over my mainland basicaly i fail in every way i try so please some advice?
 

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Animosity's HYW guide still works perfectly. Take it easy, play conservatively while you drain their manpower, and only destroy them when they're so weak they can't possibly win.
 

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i know there are many threads about this but they are either outdated (previous patches) or they don't help much at least they dont help me.

how to get france in pu as england in 1444 i tried schorching earth i can do it with 1 province (lack of military points) and thats it if i focus my forces on scotland by the time im done sieging france has already taken over my mainland basicaly i fail in every way i try so please some advice?

Move cogs to Normandie to pick up the army there and land them in Wessex and then move them to the north to province Cumbia. Before you unpuase at first day give Plantaget command of Gascogne army and attack the french vassal army at Armagnac and then immediatelly the french vassal stack moving north from Bearn through Labourd and Gascogne. You should wipe both 4-5k stacks. Then move that army to Labourd where your cogs are waiting to pick them up. Now yo uare set to vassalize Scotland.

What you need to do is royal marriage with Austria, Castile and Portugal and then ally them all. This will prevent Burgundy dowing you while you fight France. DoW Scotland (i only manage to do that around january 1445 becuase my diplomats are doing more imprant stuff). Do not auto call alies, only Portugal will join. But in one run i had i actually for some reason got Castile to join HYW together wtih Portugal but no i dea why that happened. Vassalize Scotland and now you got Portugal fighting french as well. You just need to lure the big stacks up and down and when they are far enough you kill the small 2-4k siege stacks and run away with your army on cogs.

I did the luring by having 4k army in Castile and then fake moving them to Bearn to lure the stacks south. All other armies were stationed at Kent to easily switch out the damaged regiments in the 14k stack that is killing the siege stacks. I had 8k inf and 6 k cav in the stack. If Portugal actually glues his army to your "Bearn luring army" in Castile you can freely go siege Bearn and probably take it or atleast make sure that the big stack come attacks you in the mountains, this will give you plenty of time to siege Paris.
 

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Animosity's HYW guide still works perfectly. Take it easy, play conservatively while you drain their manpower, and only destroy them when they're so weak they can't possibly win.

Move cogs to Normandie to pick up the army there and land them in Wessex and then move them to the north to province Cumbia. Before you unpuase at first day give Plantaget command of Gascogne army and attack the french vassal army at Armagnac and then immediatelly the french vassal stack moving north from Bearn through Labourd and Gascogne. You should wipe both 4-5k stacks. Then move that army to Labourd where your cogs are waiting to pick them up. Now yo uare set to vassalize Scotland.

What you need to do is royal marriage with Austria, Castile and Portugal and then ally them all. This will prevent Burgundy dowing you while you fight France. DoW Scotland (i only manage to do that around january 1445 becuase my diplomats are doing more imprant stuff). Do not auto call alies, only Portugal will join. But in one run i had i actually for some reason got Castile to join HYW together wtih Portugal but no i dea why that happened. Vassalize Scotland and now you got Portugal fighting french as well. You just need to lure the big stacks up and down and when they are far enough you kill the small 2-4k siege stacks and run away with your army on cogs.

I did the luring by having 4k army in Castile and then fake moving them to Bearn to lure the stacks south. All other armies were stationed at Kent to easily switch out the damaged regiments in the 14k stack that is killing the siege stacks. I had 8k inf and 6 k cav in the stack. If Portugal actually glues his army to your "Bearn luring army" in Castile you can freely go siege Bearn and probably take it or atleast make sure that the big stack come attacks you in the mountains, this will give you plenty of time to siege Paris.

i did it thank you both i finaly did it now all of europe hates me :p yay historical game after all hehe thanks guys patience was the key
 

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The first link has a guide from Parallel Pain that worked for me. I struggled a bit more than him, but won in the end.

Likewise. And vassalising Scotland before taking France is a great strategy. The start of the game is a great opportunity to do so, before Scotland piles on more allies. And it makes the start of the game more interesting.
 

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Probably answered somewhere, but I am not seeing it in this post or the posts linked by TheBloke:

What about the Wars of the Roses? Do you just give in to all rebel demands? (No income) Or do you fight them (Scotland and France intervene)

I could see maybe bringing the continental armies back to deal with rebels, but then no one is really available to do hit-and-run on the continent.

I must be missing something. Also, where are the controls for army maintenance? I gotta get used to this new interface....
 

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Probably answered somewhere, but I am not seeing it in this post or the posts linked by TheBloke:

What about the Wars of the Roses? Do you just give in to all rebel demands? (No income) Or do you fight them (Scotland and France intervene)

I could see maybe bringing the continental armies back to deal with rebels, but then no one is really available to do hit-and-run on the continent.

I must be missing something. Also, where are the controls for army maintenance? I gotta get used to this new interface....

Try post 15 in this link.

I got lucky, War of Roses did not fire. I got an heir shortly after the French war.
 

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Probably answered somewhere, but I am not seeing it in this post or the posts linked by TheBloke:

What about the Wars of the Roses? Do you just give in to all rebel demands? (No income) Or do you fight them (Scotland and France intervene)

I could see maybe bringing the continental armies back to deal with rebels, but then no one is really available to do hit-and-run on the continent.

I've played England @ 1444 probably 8 times now, and I've not once had the War of the Roses.

Part of that is my good luck, but mostly it's because I prioritise getting Royal Marriages. Are you getting lots of RMs? I make sure I get at least 3 or 4 within the first game week. Natural targets for RMs are anyone you're allied with (so it doesn't use up an extra Diplomatic Relation slot). So Portugal immediately, then I suggest you also ally with Castile and RM them as well. And Austria is another good target for both RM + alliance.

If you have three RMs at least, the chances of reaching the War of the Roses is much reduced - as shown by my playthroughs of never getting one! In fact I might suggest even having four or five, even though this will put you over the Diplomatic Relations limit and so cost you monthly Diplomatic Points. It's worth it if it avoids the WoR. You can always cancel the RMs later - taking a -1 stab hit to do so, unless you have Curia Controller (which I highly recommend you try and get) in which case there's no stab hit. Ending a RM will greatly reduce the relations with that nation but you can always fix that later with Improve Reputation and other means.

Then once you take on your vassals/PUs - Scotland first, France later - get RMs with them too, if you're still in the danger period for War of the Roses. Again that won't cost you an extra DipRel slot because you're already using one for the vassal/PU. And it helps boost your relations with those nations which you'll want to be high later in the game for dip-annexation and integration. (Also in the case of France with PU, you need to keep your relations above 0 else when your king dies, even if you have an heir, they can break out of the PU and go solo.)

As to how you actually fight the WoR, I'm afraid I can't comment as I've never done it..

Also, where are the controls for army maintenance? I gotta get used to this new interface....

There's two sliders, on the Economy tab. One for Army, one for Navy. I'm afraid that's all the control you get, you can decrease the maintenance going to your entire army or your entire Navy. But you can't do it piecemeal, e.g. send maintenance in preference to some units but not others.

Lowering the Army slider will directly lower the morale of the units, so take that into very careful consideration if you're going to be doing any fighting - normally at war, maximum maintenance is the only setting you want. (I sometimes have it lower if I'm fighting crap enemies, like in Africa, who have MilTech 3 compared to my 10. Even then I won't go below half on the slider)

Ditto Navy, but also lowering the Navy slider will make your light ships less efficient at Protecting Trade. So with Navy, there's a trade-off to be checked for: how much money do you save by lowering the slider versus how much does that cost you in reduced trade income? But in England's case you'll usually find it's still worth lowering the slider, even when you have a large Light Ship trade fleet, because England have so many Heavy ships that cost a fortune in maintenance but don't help for trade.
 

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I didn't bother to read any guides and follow it to the letter. When I did it, Portugal couldn't even join (over 60 days since war started modifier) but it wasn't that hard to pull off. You start with naval superiority which should be enough to beat the pesky frenchies with some nice guerilla tactics. Get some more cogs so you can hold at least 20 men in it. I think you start with 36000 men, which then can be transferred super fast across the channel in only 2 trips. Take out the smaller french armies wherever they may pop up, and pick your forces back up after the battle with ships. When you have taken the french armies down a bit you may try to go for a "decisive battle", bait in the french to attack you, and quickly move in the second army you have with ships. Suddenly you have more men (by a little bit) and terrain bonus as you're defending. If you're super lucky you may even have them attack you with some of their army, and when the enemy army is starting to dwindle, they will reinforce it, still keeping them outnumbered slightly, but with the result that you may kill all their troops.

Basically keep winning battles like this (20 man annihilation squads on weaker 3-10 man french carpet siegers in Gascogne or normandie depending on where the main french army is) and later turn the odds in your favor on the bigger battles, and you should be able to remove their armies. Then carpet siege and win the war.
 

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Bit of a necro post here, but I figured I'd add my $0.02, having done this last night.

I followed the steps outlined (mostly) by Parallel Pain, and found them to be pretty successful. There were basically two phases of the war, one involving vassalizing Scotland, and the other involving taking out France. I got lucky, in that I managed to secure alliances with multiple larger nations, and brought Austria in to the war against the French. My basic steps were as follows:

Day 1:

- Followed Parallel Pain's guide to the letter.

Then:

Diplomacy:

-General tip: Set the timer to 1, and make sure that the return of ambassadors is a "pop up and pause" event. You'll need to manage this stuff relatively quickly and get the ambassadors moving around frequently. Don't sweat screwing your diplomacy points. You can reverse that when Henry dies and you won't be flipping province cultures at this point.

- Try to secure alliances with Austria and Castille as soon as possible. I did this by securing royal marriages with them, then alliances. I couldn't do an alliance right out of the gate.

- AFTER declaring war on Scotland, call Portugal in to the war. If you can get Austria or Castille to join you, do that.

- Additional assistance: It can be helpful to get military and fleet access to Navarre and Brittany, as well as military access to Castille. You MAY need to beat a hasty retreat. If so, you'll want to be able to land your ships in their ports as well as retreat your troops. I'll explain why naval access is helpful below.

- After you PU France, my advice is to start improving relations with them. This will help maintain the PU after Henry VI dies.

- To the extent it's possible, try to both improve your relations with the Papal State, and play the Cardinal game to get more cardinals on your side. If you can become Papal Controller, it'll help, but it's not absolutely essential.

Warfare:

- I mostly followed Parallel Pain's guide.

- Generally: The goal here is to exhaust France's manpower. They have considerably more than England, but particularly if you can pick off smaller siege armies quickly with Richard Plantagenet's 8/6 stack, France will soon find itself having to replace multiple regiments or go without. This is also where Allies can really really help. Even if they get defeated, they're still bleeding France dry of men. Portugal will help you in that regard, but either Austria or Castille (or hey, both, if you're lucky) will really help, since they can each bring the pain. Once France is sufficiently bled out, you simply place siege stacks on as many provinces as possible (and for this, I'd hit Barrois, Maine, Anjou, and Provence itself, then force it to release provinces to France -- which you'll then have to siege again), blockade as many ports as possible, and try to get yourself as high a war score as possible in as short a time as possible. You want to avoid war weariness, and knowing England at this point, you'll get plenty of annoying "comets sighted" and other stability-decreasing events or revolts, so you want to wrap it up quickly and nab the PU.

- Protip: Ok, so this may be more of a "newbie" tip, but it was something that I didn't know, even as an EU3 player (although not a very good one). It is faster to land transports to load and unload troops than it is to do "amphibious assaults" so to speak. Obviously, you can't do this on enemy territory, but you can do it on friendly territory or land where you have military and naval access. This is where naval access to Navarre and Brittany comes in handy. If, by chance, you need to haul ass out of your territories in France, and you can't get to your own provinces in time, you may be able to play for time by landing a ship in nearby territory, getting your troops there, and attaching them to the transport. Then you simply sail off (although watch out, it can sometimes take a second to successfully load everyone), and leave the French shaking their fists in impotent rage on the shoreline while you jeer.

- I used Richard Plantagenet's single 8/6 stack to siege Bearn, then left him there for a bit, to see if it would draw French forces south. The French gradually split up their mega stacks, and my Austrian allies whittled several of those down. Eventually they were low enough and with low enough morale that I could sic Richard on them, and he usually took them out before whatever larger army there was about was able to attack.

- Meanwhile, with the main French army occupied in the south, I sent Henry Percy to siege Ils-de-France. Taking that gets you around 30 warscore, which means you're almost halfway to you goal.

- It's feasible to blockade the French ports, too, since they only have three -- one in Poitou, which happens to be in the same sea zone as your Gascony/Labourd provinces, and I think two in the Mediterranean. This will mean, however, that you need to keep your naval maintenance up, but hopefully you can do this after taking over a few French provinces.

I did all this by around 1451-ish, never hired more troops, and secured a personal union with some extra cash. Couldn't get enough WS to steer trade, I think, but I'd have to check. After that, I started improving relations with an eye towards eventual integration.
 

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England can blockade France easily; you need fleet basing rights from Aragon/Castile/mediterranean country. It is best to kill French fleet in the open seas first though. I don't know how effective blockading will be though, because I think war exhaustion is not so powerful in EU4, as it was in older game eu3. And france will still be filthy rich from tax income.
 

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England can blockade France easily; you need fleet basing rights from Aragon/Castile/mediterranean country. It is best to kill French fleet in the open seas first though. I don't know how effective blockading will be though, because I think war exhaustion is not so powerful in EU4, as it was in older game eu3. And france will still be filthy rich from tax income.

It's less about creating war exhaustion and getting money, and more about ticking up the warscore. The money's a nice bonus, but the faster you get to 84% warscore (or whatever is required for a PU), the better, and with three ports, that's a relatively easy blockade.
 

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Thanks guys this and other post were really helpful and would like to add some advice on the PU negative relations

If you can get province to release the two french provinces before you enforce a PU with France you'll will have a positive relation with France when the war end

Its 1448 i just enforced the PU and my relation is +33 due to a +80 for provinces returned
 

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Better to get Provence to release it's French cores in another war, rather than worrying about doing it in this one. That way you can peace out Provence when they get bored.

France has a habit of frittering away it's manpower, because all it's vassals join it's already large army, which means that it has a ~60k stack. So it doesn't matter where they stand they're going to suffer attrition due to supply. By the time I came to fight France, after I'd vassalised Scotland and conquered Ireland, they were down to 302 manpower.

I also didn't have any allies, which was a pain. Austria did offer me an alliance but I couldn't call them in because of how old the war was.
 

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Thanks guys this and other post were really helpful and would like to add some advice on the PU negative relations

If you can get province to release the two french provinces before you enforce a PU with France you'll will have a positive relation with France when the war end

Its 1448 i just enforced the PU and my relation is +33 due to a +80 for provinces returned

Do not return both of Provence's cores, since that will leave them as an out of reach OPM. Just return the one that doesn't border you, otherwise Savoy will eat your rightful province down south.