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Underhand said:
Not really 'of course' in my experience...

Sorry, it was my first game ever as England and since they attacked uphill, although with a leader (but IIRC I had one as well), they lost as you usually do when you attack a force of similar size and strength in mountains. That explains the "of course" :)
 

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As a recent convert from EU1 and a profound lover of all things English and glorious I naturally decided that expermintation with England was the way ahead. As an added bonus you get to hammer the French early doors :)

Scotland were pretty much ignored, i just sent the army from anglian to join up with the one already in northumberland and that sorted out their southern forges and a peace was soon signed.

The French minors also took peace as soon as they offered.

France. got into a position where i was using '2' level armies in every french provience so no Fr armies and no-opposition and then moved by large armies quickly round all the provinces for the sieges. Net effect we owned all of France and in the peace took everything apart from Il France & Champagne. Britanny and Burgundy no gains.

DA'd Brittany, after some cash bribes, let Fr annex/fight/capture their vassals. However, some of these we got mulled into and end up with Maine & Berri, Provence went to Burgundy revolted back to Provence and we then nicked it :)

Fr basically in 2 parts Orleans, Il France, champagne & lorraine in the north and auvergne, limousin and civernes in the south. In a spate of pure opportunism most Fr armies in southern section with only a modest '6' in north. DoW nick the lot, peace deal took everything part from Il France but hell stability already -2 so sod it thought why not take the -8 hit instant DoW again and its mine.

So all Fr. England, +190 relations with Burgundy so they next, revolts due stab a bit of a pain but sorted now..................

Question is with Fr gone, can it come back in some random nation appearing event?

Also with the Burgundy issue, assume the only event is now for them to join Austria?

Is it possible to DA them 1st? (They are minus a few provinces as Freisland had some fun in the North)
 

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GrandMaster said:
Question is with Fr gone, can it come back in some random nation appearing event?
Not with event, but if you or anybody else holding provinces in the region lets a province be taken by rebels, and if rebels keep the province long enough (4 years or so, depending on your centralization slider), then the rebels will declare independence and France will be formed anew.
 

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GrandMaster said:
Scotland were pretty much ignored, i just sent the army from anglian to join up with the one already in northumberland and that sorted out their southern forges and a peace was soon signed.
It's even cheaper to totally ignore them, thus immediately freeing up the army in Northumberland for fighting in France, as they will only rarely take anything south of Northumberland, and peace with France will ensure that they get nothing. Of course, if you want their provinces, you have to bang a few Scottish heads together.
 
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GrandMaster said:
Question is with Fr gone, can it come back in some random nation appearing event?
If any french minor (the starting vassals, plus Navarra and Britanny IIRC) owns Ile de France before 1515 (1575 for Navarra), they'll become France. Plus the situation where a province revolts, but that would be your fault... because you should make sure you own all provinces giving a potential France revolter. ;)

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Also with the Burgundy issue, assume the only event is now for them to join Austria?
No, the event won't fire if FRA doesn't exist.

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Is it possible to DA them 1st? (They are minus a few provinces as Freisland had some fun in the North)
Yes, tough maybe not necessary to hurry since France does'nt exist anymore. But it'll be harder to have an effective diplomacy, due to the massive BB hits you just got with the CB-less DoWs and force-annexations...

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what will be interesting will be how many/what provinces convert if/when England becomes protestant
Provinces' religion doesn't depend on the potential conversion of the country. ;)

Among the British Isles (including Eire and Scotland), you'll get an approximately even split between catholic, protestant and reformed. But in France, there're more catholic provinces, with a big minority of reformed provinces (2/3 - 1/3 approx.), while the Lower Countries are all (except Brabant) reformed.

The question of choosing a religion for England at this point is generally answered by this : you should choose between reformed and catholic. Reformed is better economy-wise (and to avoid converting the Lower Countries - it's hard, and you already have the culture for english and french provinces), while catholic is more wide-spread (and doesn't pose problem if you already colonised a lot before converting). So, choose reformed for the economy if willing to stay at more or less your current size (in Europe), and catholic if willing to expand southward (iberian and italian peninsulas, and in southern Germany).

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It's even cheaper to totally ignore them, thus immediately freeing up the army in Northumberland for fighting in France, as they will only rarely take anything south of Northumberland, and peace with France will ensure that they get nothing.
But this'll weight in the warscore, and reduce your income if they loot/siege/control several of your provinces (Lancashire/Yorkshire/Midlands are some of your richest provinces early on). Also, a France deprived of allies is more easily coerced to an advantageous peace.

PS : besides, if following my strategy, you should maybe accept peace offer when sieging the last enemy province. I did some tests, and while sieging Lyonnais, I got all other provinces (7 in all), while with 100% I only got 6 (Lyonnais, but neither Champagne nor Dauphiné, the latter being stronger defensively). In this first war, the important is to take as much provinces as possible, since it's a defensive war (at 1 BB/province). :cool:
 
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Well, I tried out your advice (and my own)
France's vassals were fairly quickly satisfied with Burgundian provinces or small amounts of cash. The Scots amazed me by marching from Lothian to Strathclyde before coming to Northumbria. I split my army there, retreating half, and sending the rest into the recently vacated Lothian. While the Scots besieged Northumbria, I took their capital.
France went down easily. I reduced them to 3 provinces, and shipped some troops back to Britain to finish off the Scots. Force-vassalized. A second war with the much-reduced French resulted in the same treatment for them.
Not taking Orleans was a good move. The French vassals and Bretagne are a quarrelsome lot: they went on for the next thirty years, attacking each other, until both Bourbonnais and Orleans disappeared. I stayed out of these wars, speanding my money on slowly improving relations with France and Scotland (speaking of which, my northern neighbours stripped Eire of all but its capital)
It works.
 

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Not very historic, but I conquered France in the early part of the game, and in the end i were controlling all of western europe, All of Nort America, India, major parts of Africa, pieces of Indonesia and South America.

Sometimes you cannot hold the beast of greed within you.