England into Emperor?

[Karasuk]

I have PU on France as England and RM+Alliance with Austria.
What is the best way to become Emperor?
What happens if I get opportunity to PU Austria. What happens to emperor if he gets into PU
or should I try to vasallize the electors?

Big goal is WC.

 

[FreeSoc]

My guess would be that you'd be best off vassalising the electors (although you'll need to unvassalise them/annex them and give the Electorates out to new electors if you want to get much in the way of Imperial Authority), and then trying to PU Austria after they lose the Emperorship to you.

 

[Boodas]

I have PU on France as England and RM+Alliance with Austria.
What is the best way to become Emperor?

Vassalizing the electors is the quickest way to obtain emperorship.

What happens if I get opportunity to PU Austria. What happens to emperor if he gets into PU

the emperor will lose emperorship to the next logical candidate if he gets PU. Ex( If the current emperor has 3 votes, Country B has 2 votes, Country C & D have 1 each than country B will become emperor if the current emperor loses independence.

 

[Less]

Has anyone managed to inherit Burgundy as England and PU France at the same time?

I imagine the way to do so would be this:

- Beat France but don't occupy capital so you don't get call for peace.
- Attack HRE and vassalize electors.
- Pray the current emperor dies in a timely fashion.
- Attack Burgundy and sit on them until Burgundian succession fires.
- Finish up HYW.

Does this work?

EDIT: NVM, HRE can't be at war with France for the event to trigger. Darn. Any other way to make it work?

I imagine that you could become the HRE, add your country to the Empire, then lose the HRE to another nation and then trigger the Burgundian succession. Need a royal Marriage with Burgundy somehow though.

 

[Insigna]

Has anyone managed to inherit Burgundy as England and PU France at the same time?

I imagine the way to do so would be this:

- Beat France but don't occupy capital so you don't get call for peace.
- Attack HRE and vassalize electors.
- Pray the current emperor dies in a timely fashion.
- Attack Burgundy and sit on them until Burgundian succession fires.
- Finish up HYW.

Does this work?

EDIT: NVM, HRE can't be at war with France for the event to trigger. Darn. Any other way to make it work?

I imagine that you could become the HRE, add your country to the Empire, then lose the HRE to another nation and then trigger the Burgundian succession. Need a royal Marriage with Burgundy somehow though.

I had this happen by chance one time while back just as I was beating France I tried to recreate it dozens of times with no luck. Now in 1.8 it's probably not worth it as you'll be fighting uber France every 50 years or so just to keep the PU.

 

[FreeSoc]

I had this happen by chance one time while back just as I was beating France I tried to recreate it dozens of times with no luck. Now in 1.8 it's probably not worth it as you'll be fighting uber France every 50 years or so just to keep the PU.

A better suggestion I've heard for dealing with a PUed France is to wait for it to declare on you, then win the war and annex it entirely (which, IIRC, you're allowed to do with rebelling PU subjects), then release it as a vassal. You'll lose out on the chance to inherit it, but it should be much more controllable.

 

[Frungy78]

Probably easier to beat France but not peace out, attack Burgundy and set off the event, Austria gets its share, PU France, take a Burgundian culture territory and vassalize it, feed it back its cores. Then annex it and change capital to Holland to get rid of Netherlands formation!

 

[Less]

France has something like -60% chance to inherit normally, I don't think it's possible to do so even stacking diprep as high as you can.

 

[FreeSoc]

France has something like -60% chance to inherit normally, I don't think it's possible to do so even stacking diprep as high as you can.

Austria inherited France in my Byzantium game. Granted, the chance was about 3 to 4%, and that was a big Austria with Lucky bonuses, but it is just about possible, although it would require some degree of blobbing outside of France as England.

 

[hauptman]

If you do not already know how to HRE, you are not going to WC.

 

[Less]

Austria inherited France in my Byzantium game. Granted, the chance was about 3 to 4%, and that was a big Austria with Lucky bonuses, but it is just about possible, although it would require some degree of blobbing outside of France as England.

Was that before or after 1.8, which fairly severely nerfed diplomatic reputation modifiers across the board?

I don't think PUs care about how big you are, only how big the target is and how much diprep you have. Blobbing only helps get you trading in ivory for +1 diprep.

Probably easier to beat France but not peace out, attack Burgundy and set off the event, Austria gets its share, PU France, take a Burgundian culture territory and vassalize it, feed it back its cores. Then annex it and change capital to Holland to get rid of Netherlands formation!

Yeah, that would definitely be easier to do, probably faster as well. A bit more costly but not unduly so.

Indeed since Burgundy has a core on Calais you can release them there immediately after the succession fires.

 

[Frungy78]

Calais is not Burgundy's primary culture (Burgundian), it's Cosmopolitaine. So I don't think you can release it as a vassal.

 

[FreeSoc]

Was that before or after 1.8, which fairly severely nerfed diplomatic reputation modifiers across the board?

I don't think PUs care about how big you are, only how big the target is and how much diprep you have. Blobbing only helps get you trading in ivory for +1 diprep.

It was 1.8, definitely; the chances of it were not high, only a few %, but it was there and it happened, which was hugely irritating.

 

[Less]

Calais is not Burgundy's primary culture (Burgundian), it's Cosmopolitaine. So I don't think you can release it as a vassal.

You can, culture just stops cores decaying over time.