England flag tweak

[takedown47]

Flag Pack I

This started out as a minor tweak to the demo/full version of the game which changed the flag of england to something that looks more appropriate than the plantagent dynastic coat of arms. It has since expanded and now includes three new flags.

Flag Pack I

New generic flags for

- Kingdom of England
- Kingdom of Wales

Improved Flags for

- Knights Templar
- Knights Hospitaller

Download here: http://www.mediafire.com/download/s0m9j4k1erkw7sb/England+flag+mod.zip

Install: Just unzip then copy paste the files into the gfx/flags folder (overwite the old file when prompted)

 

[KevUK]

Was that the Godwins coat of arms?

 

[takedown47]

no, they had no flags back then. this is just the flag people today use to associate with anglo-saxon england

 

[Jak9090]

imo england should just have a generic st george cross, would cut out all this saxon vs norman flag buisness.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

St. George wasn't really associated with England until late in the period (the reign of Edward III). For some time Edmund the Martyr was patron saint.

The St. George was "borrowed" from genoa in the 1180s-1190s, and England paid tribute to be able to use the flag.

It was used as an emblem previously to this, so there may have been a small following, but it was not a national flag early on.

Unfortunately there isn't really a flag that is universally "correct" for the whole period.

 

[takedown47]

Unfortunately there isn't really a flag that is universally "correct" for the whole period.

which is why i made this mod

its not meant to be historically accurate but honestly i dont think there ever can be for this 1066-1453 time period (maybe after 1180 as you say but still, the old flag just seems wrong)

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Well, being (at least according to one school of thought) the combined lions of Normandy and Anjou, the lions aren't necessarily english at all...

Another possible set of English colours for the flag would be blue with three gold crowns. This is sometimes associated with King Arthur. Unfortunately this is also considered a swedish design.

 

[takedown47]

the use of the white dragon banner is referenced on at the bottom of this article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_flags#Historical_flags and is where i sourced the design from

 

[KevUK]

The Godwin dynasty must have had a flag or banner to take into battle, no? They minted coins with his face on...surely there must be something? A bing search didnt help though, so maybe not...

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

They would have had a banner with their personal symbols on it. They may have had a national flag, but the problem is we don't really have much of a description of it, if it existed. A dragon banner would be reasonable, considering that the Red Dragon of the Welsh is said to have been set against the White Dragon of the Saxons several times, but we don't know if this was a banner or not, and what form it would take.

There may even have been Norse Raven Banners flying at Hastings, on both sides.

 

[spinoza013]

It's an improvement. I see the plantagenet flag and I think 'bastards'.

 

[takedown47]

It's an improvement.

it sure is

 

[thehollowman]

And this is why the game is so moddable! Don't like how it is now? Change it! easy.

 

[takedown47]

i mainly did it for myself but i thought i would make it available to others who might not have access to a .tga plugin or photoshop.

 

[sumdood]

Does the flag switch if the Normans successfully take over England?

 

[takedown47]

unfortunately no. the original flag worked the normans won but i've seen many occasions where they do not. my challenge was therefore finding a banner which could represent the spirit of england throughout the 1066 to 1453 period regardless of who was king, whether it was harold godwinson, william the bastard, a danish king or even an italian orthodox.

 

[sumdood]

It's definitely more appropriate than the Norman flag. Although it would be interesting if certain flags could change with culture, like Vicky's does with government.

 

[Ruwaard]

IIRC the current flag is 'Angevin', anyway the point is that this flag is appropriate for a 1066 pre-conquest start, whereas the standard flag is more suited for a 1066 post-conquest start and later dates. As said before unfortunately flag can't change in game, which at various dates would also be useful for other regions than England.

 

[Olaf the Unsure]

I made a revised version with a smaller dragon (so it fits better in the shield) and a bit less white (so the small image on the army units isn't quite so bright).

http://www.mediafire.com/?e3kzqceur3xjo5s

 

[takedown47]

i'm thinking of redoing the teutonic order coat of arms as well. instead of a white cross on a red backgound, i'll change it to a white cross on a black background.