Will England and Normandy be seperate, or will they both come under the name of Normandy...
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William should be King of England but also Duke of Normandy and thus vassal of the King of France...right?....
Originally posted by Wasa
William should be King of England but also Duke of Normandy and thus vassal of the King of France...right?....
Probarbly, but only the land (Normandy) being "vassal", england would be a separate issue.
I don`t know this, but, normandy was likely left to be managed by a seneschalk.. in the name of william, for the king of france, complicated?
Yes, He is sovereign and King of England, but vassal to the french King in his Duchy..That was what I was trying to say in my last post...
If, the provinces are smaller than in EU, I mean 3 or 4 provinces where there had been single. Then you can have a province for England and rest being vassal to England. Maybe this would not work because William had united Normandy under his rule, it was the most centralized land in Europe outside England. Maybe, 1/2 of Normandy be part of England and rest be Vassel to reflect one the reality, the core is his personal rule right, then that will be England. How about it?
William the Bastard's status as a vassal of @France was largely irrelevant at this point, as had France tried to force the issue, they would almost certainly have got a bloody nose.
They did occasionally try to force the issue, and did get a bloody nose.
Maybe Normandy would be a single independant country that owns all of the english provinces, but after Will the Conquerors death, England should split from Normandy which they did historically, One of his sons got Normandy, the other got England, though they did rejoin...it'll be interesting to see how they handle it.
Could be fun after Henry II marries Eleanor of Aquitaine. The problem is that it was prone to complications, e.g. the Blesevin vs Angevin fight for the English throne. It would anyway take too much away from the playing side if these things happened automatically.
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Yeah that would be fun. A french vassal that is also the king of England and owns more french land than the king of France.
Hope they don't oversimplify situations like these. This stuff is a great deal of the fun.
Originally posted by Sonny
Hope they don't oversimplify situations like these. This stuff is a great deal of the fun.
Would doubt if just this one would happen in the game though. But you are correct. Trying to straight out the politics in such a situation might be a tad complicated and fun of course.
I would think perhaps Events could be used, such as in the case of the Henry/Eleanor wedding (a la' the Ferdinand/Isablella wedding in EU2)
With a dynamic dynastic system these types of events would be irrelevant - there may be no Henry or no Eleanor.
Yeah, what if King of England tries to declare himself a King of France a century before a Hundered years of War, after all Elenaor was also a wife of King Phillip (I think), so Phillip could name Richard as heir or if he wants to start a chaos like he did historically, then name John as King of France.
as King of France.
Thank you for correct me, I must have think of son of Louis, Philip the Unfair I am play with word, anyway it is Philip the Fair I was think of, thank for correcting me
I am play with word, anyway it is Philip the Fair I was think of, thank for correcting me
Originally posted by Zhai
Thank you for correct me, I must have think of son of Louis, Philip the Unfair
Sorry to correct you again. Phillip Augustus was Louis VII's son. Phillip the Fair was Phillip IV who persecuted the Templars. There are so many Loius and Phillips that they are easy to get mixed up.
Originally posted by Sonny
Sorry to correct you again. Phillip Augustus was Louis VII's son. Phillip the Fair was Phillip IV who persecuted the Templars. There are so many Loius and Phillips that they are easy to get mixed up.
Hmm, speaking of Phillip IV....Everyone has been talking about supporting the Orders, but I would assume that sponsoring the various orders could drain your coffers. Could it be possible in CK to confiscate an Orders goods and basically run the Order from your lands?
You might get on the Pope's bad side if you did that (unless of course you bribed or threatened him). Could stir things up and make for some fun though.