Enforce Peace

[Susan1972]

Why is the AI allowed to use "enforce peace"? It's a ludicrous cheap shot - if not outright cheat - for the game to win a losing war.

And, while I'm thinking about it, why does the AI get to take all your money and half your country with a war score less than 10 but you can only take one or two provinces at most when you have 99?

 

[BladvakRO]

Only Great Powers (at most 8 countries at a time can be Great Powers) can use enforce peace. It is one of the perks of being Great Power (GP).

About money - it's all about the WAR Casus Belli (CB for short) and the willingness of the opposing war leader to make peace. If the opposing war leader feels confident that they will win the war, they will ask for most of the stuff they believe they will achieve through war.
The CB matters for a lot - for example a Coalition CB is hugely expensive to pay off if you lose the war, as it makes some things cost as little as 10% of the warscore they would normally cost in a peacedeal.

You might want to learn about the basic and advanced features of the game by reading the game wiki - https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/

 

[Republic of Mercury]

Only Great Powers (at most 8 countries at a time can be Great Powers) can use enforce peace. It is one of the perks of being Great Power (GP).

Anyone can use enfore peace, if they meet the following requirements;

• The enforcer must not have a truce with the leading attacker.
• The enforcer must have at least +100 relations with the leading defender (if the enforcer is the emperor of the HRE and the defender is an HRE member, only +0 relations are necessary).
• The attacker must have −25% warscore or better.
• The enforcer must be able to declare war on the attacker (e.g. not in a regency and not being allied to the attacker and not having a transfer trade power relationship with the attacker)

 

[AvengedK1ng]

Why is the AI allowed to use "enforce peace"? It's a ludicrous cheap shot - if not outright cheat - for the game to win a losing war.

You can use it too if you don't have truce with rivals

And, while I'm thinking about it, why does the AI get to take all your money and half your country with a war score less than 10 but you can only take one or two provinces at most when you have 99?

Are you comparing 1/1/1 dev provinces with your capital

Only Great Powers (at most 8 countries at a time can be Great Powers) can use enforce peace. It is one of the perks of being Great Power (GP).

About money - it's all about the WAR Casus Belli (CB for short) and the willingness of the opposing war leader to make peace. If the opposing war leader feels confident that they will win the war, they will ask for most of the stuff they believe they will achieve through war.
The CB matters for a lot - for example a Coalition CB is hugely expensive to pay off if you lose the war, as it makes some things cost as little as 10% of the warscore they would normally cost in a peacedeal.

You might want to learn about the basic and advanced features of the game by reading the game wiki - https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/

You're thinking of gp intervention

 

[Richard-monagha]

Only Great Powers (at most 8 countries at a time can be Great Powers) can use enforce peace. It is one of the perks of being Great Power (GP).

Your thinking of intervene in war that's only useable by great powers against other great powers. Enforce peace can be used by any nation if they have the requirements but I've only ever seen the AI use this on other AI and never had it used on me.

 

[bokorthedust]

A certain, famous 'How dare you?!' comes to mind.

On a serious note, why shouldn't the AI be able to use existing mechanics to inconvenience the player? Because the player is more than happy to trip up the AI any chance it gets when it serves its goals. Restricting diplomatic or any other mechanics to player use only would just dumb down the game even further. But I guess the AI shouldn't even be allowed to have armies to put up a fight with. I rarely get personal, but this is such a nonsense question, at this rate you should just play non-ironman, open the console and type in ai, or just draw/import a world map into paint and color that, starting from the edges.

 

[CoolSpin]

I actually Enforced Peace on Poland-Lithuania v. Denmark-Sweden, but it didnt work, so I joined (I expected this), then Austria, my ally also Enforced Peace, and it worked. Both Rivals of Poland-Lithuania.

I really just didnt want Poland-Lithuania to take any land, because I was going to reconquest Finland and Novgorod cores off from swedish parts of Denmark-Sweden, they clearly were mismanaging the territories.

Also since it is a White Peace, it was just 5 year truce. I could reconquest on Poland-Lithuania for more Novgorod territory, they too were also clearly incompetent managers of territories.

 

[Susan1972]

Anyone can use enfore peace, if they meet the following requirements;

That wiki is out of date or flat-out wrong. I was well into the green when I got hit with the EP. I was playing the Papal States and fighting Venice and their little clutch of allies with the Ottos swarming up the Adriatic. I had Treviso, Ravenna and Friuli occupied and Brescia and Padovia underway. There was no way I was losing by -25 when France intervened.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

That wiki is out of date or flat-out wrong. I was well into the green when I got hit with the EP. I was playing the Papal States and fighting Venice and their little clutch of allies with the Ottos swarming up the Adriatic. I had Treviso, Ravenna and Friuli occupied and Brescia and Padovia underway. There was no way I was losing by -25 when France intervened.

I think you're misreading it; the AI was able to enforce peace on you because you weren't losing.

 

[Nostalgium]

That wiki is out of date or flat-out wrong. I was well into the green when I got hit with the EP. I was playing the Papal States and fighting Venice and their little clutch of allies with the Ottos swarming up the Adriatic. I had Treviso, Ravenna and Friuli occupied and Brescia and Padovia underway. There was no way I was losing by -25 when France intervened.

As @Republic of Mercury says, the tooltip means you can enforce on anyone with better than -25% Warscore. If you had been losing by 25% or more, they couldn't enforce peace on you.

As for the territory taken: The AI offers the peace deals it wants for the war to end. They don't "get to take" anything under 10% - firstly because it's disallowed, you can only suggest white peace when at less than 10%, second because you can just tell them to stuff it. The only situation in which the AI can take what it wants is when it has you 100%, in which situation they can take up to 100% warscore without you getting a say. You can do the same to the AI. How much warscore a province costs is governed by the CB used, Diplomatic ideas, Admin Efficiency and some Great Works. In the late-game, you can stack this to take truly staggering amounts of land. I'm fairly sure I've seen a player annex all of Ming in one war, without Reconquest (which is the best CB for landgrabs, but usually requires you to have lost that land in the first place).

When it comes to Enforce Peace, check which AI powers have interests in the same region, and try to befriend the ones more powerful than you. The AI is very unlikely to intervene against you if you can get a royal marriage, an alliance, or even just get relations to Friendly. Sometimes, this just can't be done, and in that case, check the targets you're declaring wars on, and bring your own allies when declaring on them. If you can use overwhelming force (France is a good example for the Pope). The AI likes to use enforce when their joining would swing the pendulum massively against you, so if you can stack the odds significantly in your favour, to the point where a big neighbour friendly to your target would only make it a level playing field, then you're usually good.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The major thing I don't like about the enforce peace mechanic is that the attacker can unilaterally get out of the war by accepting it, regardless of what the defender wants, and that this creates a truce.

Forcible creation of a truce shouldn't be a thing.

The AI is also derpy as usual, but outside HRE the +100 relations w/o being allied thing is relatively rare.

 

[Susan1972]

Thanks for the info, everyone. These kind of curve balls really get frustrating because they usually appear right where I think I've got a handle on things.

Still, I came back well enough.

 

[Nostalgium]

Still, I came back well enough.

The essence of EU4, essentially! There will be so many slip-ups, so many bullshit events about your 6/6/6 heir going hunting, and so many roadblocks, but you'll come back from them all in the end! Good, healthy Papacy you've got there too - well on your way to the coolest nation name in the game.

 

[hayseed]

That political map view is really cool looking. How do I change to see that version of the political map?

 

[Nostalgium]

That political map view is really cool looking. How do I change to see that version of the political map?

Modded. Couldn't tell you which, but browse the Steam Workshop or Mod subforum and see what you find in the map category!

 

[Susan1972]

That political map view is really cool looking. How do I change to see that version of the political map?

I have the mods "Graphical Map Improvements" and "Better UI 2". They're from a collection of mods used by YouTuber Chewyshoot.

 

[Susan1972]

Not sure what I was worried about...

 

[CoolSpin]

Congratulations on the achievement

 

[Susan1972]

Congratulations on the achievement

Thanks