Energy to Oil conversion - Question

[unmerged(8783)]

Hello, I've noticed that the AI loves to waste my energy by converting it
into oil that I don't need... I'm not running an oil deficit, trading goods to
neutral nations for oil at 100%, but nevertheless my energy levels are tanking
out because the computer insists that I make more oil...

What's the deal? Is the any way to 'shut off' energy-oil conversion?
I hate to have to pull research teams to research oil refining techs when
there's other, more important things to be figured out.

---Ank

 

[Moltke]

Im sorry I don't know the answer to your question, but I too think it would be great if you could turn on/off energy-to-oil conversion.

 

[unmerged(8783)]

Im sorry I don't know the answer to your question, but I too think it would be great if you could turn on/off energy-to-oil conversion.

Hooray! So I'm not the only one, then...

Seriously, losing 60-70 units of energy a day for oil conversions
when you are sitting on top of 17,000 oil already is a drag.

---Ank

 

[Steel]

Yes, just balance your stockpiles The conversion is only active when you have a surplus of energy compared to oil. Are you still in the pre-war years? The oil comes in very handy for offensives etc once the fighting starts (unless you are going for a totally oil-free army).

 

[Spruce]

Hooray! So I'm not the only one, then...

Seriously, losing 60-70 units of energy a day for oil conversions
when you are sitting on top of 17,000 oil already is a drag.

---Ank

perhaps the AI is trying to cover your usage,

depleting your energy stockpile to save your oilstockpile,

so giving energy stocking a lower priority above oil stocking ?

 

[unmerged(3859)]

Question... can I influence the amount of oil produced in any way? In my game as japan I am without oil... and I wonder if getting better oil syn-techs increases my oil-output or simply wastes less energy.

I despretly hope for more oil. But I think it's the other way around

 

[unmerged(8783)]

Yes, just balance your stockpiles The conversion is only active when you have a surplus of energy compared to oil. Are you still in the pre-war years? The oil comes in very handy for offensives etc once the fighting starts (unless you are going for a totally oil-free army).

It sure doesn't seem that way... With the conversions, I LOSE lots of energy,
and I am trading more than enough to cover oil usage...

I use something like 4 oil a day, and I trade for 7.5. Not in a war, playing
as Nationalist Spain sitting on the fence, building up. Only 3 armoured divs.
Navy is in port. Aircraft units are inactive. Zilch oil consumption.

---Ank

 

[unmerged(8783)]

perhaps the AI is trying to cover your usage,

depleting your energy stockpile to save your oilstockpile,

so giving energy stocking a lower priority above oil stocking ?

Not using a lot of oil, that's why I am perplexed.

---Ank

 

[Steel]

The amount of energy converted is based on your IC. The amount of oil you get is based on your conversion tech. Conversion is active when the energy stockpile is more than twice the size of the oil stockpile. Your daily oil consumption doesn't really factor in (other than in terms of how it changes the stockpiles) for the decision on whether oil should be converted or not.

 

[unmerged(8783)]

The amount of energy converted is based on your IC. The amount of oil you get is based on your conversion tech. Conversion is active when the energy stockpile is more than twice the size of the oil stockpile. Your daily oil consumption doesn't really factor in (other than in terms of how it changes the stockpiles) for the decision on whether oil should be converted or not.

Alrighty, that answers my question. So, it's directly linked to the ratio
of energy/oil stockpiles? Strange. I would have thought that relative
consumption would be the trigger for conversion.

Anyways, I'd like to humbly submit this to be changed in the next
enhancement. A toggle would be groovy. Anything that keeps the
computer from hosing my energy stockpiles.

---Ank

 

[unmerged(3859)]

so better techs do in fact, give you more oil. That it is based on IC was also in the manual. I should RTFM more.

 

[Steel]

Alrighty, that answers my question. So, it's directly linked to the ratio
of energy/oil stockpiles? Strange. I would have thought that relative
consumption would be the trigger for conversion.

Anyways, I'd like to humbly submit this to be changed in the next
enhancement. A toggle would be groovy. Anything that keeps the
computer from hosing my energy stockpiles.

---Ank

No if it was based on consumption then you would end up never building up the stockpiles necessary to kick off 'offensive supply' for panzer armies or looking ahead (ie converting oil for future use by a fleet or airforce). The ability to 'convert ahead' is critically important for Germany in '44 for example.

Having a 'toggle' would of course help in those situations where you want to preserve your energy stockpile although no doubt people would forget to switch it and then complain the system doesn't work or forces them to micromanage their synthetic oil plants

 

[unmerged(28147)]

so better techs do in fact, give you more oil. That it is based on IC was also in the manual. I should RTFM more.

Or if you really want a resource rush just change the industrial_modifier setting in your save file and you won't have resource problems.

 

[Kalle dussin]

The amount of energy converted is based on your IC. The amount of oil you get is based on your conversion tech. Conversion is active when the energy stockpile is more than twice the size of the oil stockpile. Your daily oil consumption doesn't really factor in (other than in terms of how it changes the stockpiles) for the decision on whether oil should be converted or not.

Are you sure? As germany researching lv2 synthetic oil for the .25 conversion ratio gives me no more oil (still at 1/10th of my IC), but my energy consumption decreases.

 

[Steel]

Are you sure? As germany researching lv2 synthetic oil for the .25 conversion ratio gives me no more oil (still at 1/10th of my IC), but my energy consumption decreases.

Yes, you are right - conversion reduces amount of energy used for conversion.

 

[unmerged(14035)]

The amount of energy converted is based on your IC.

Does anybody know the forumla to calculate exactly how much oil is produced (or energy consumed, whichever it is) based on your IC?

 

[Kalle dussin]

The amount of oil produced is 1/10th of your effective IC, so if you have 200 effective IC you will get 20.0 oil per day if you have the neccecary energy. It will consume 20.0/0.1 = 200 to do so at .1 conversion ratio. At 0.25 it will be 20.0/0.25 = 80.

 

[Zanza]

Nah, you'll always convert 200 energy if you have got 200 IC. So, with a better conversion rate you'll not get 20 oil out of 200 energy but say 100 oil (with a 0.5 efficiency - third or fourth conversion tech)

 

[unmerged(11610)]

In my last game with Germany AI suddenly started convert energy to oil. Energy stockpile was really high, but I did have plently of oil too. I was alerted when energy production dropped to -200. It stopped automatically after month or two. It sounds great that AI is using this 'waste energy' automatically. Of course I was first wondering, what the heck they are doing. Do they burn my coal or what?!?

 

[Kalle dussin]

Nah, you'll always convert 200 energy if you have got 200 IC. So, with a better conversion rate you'll not get 20 oil out of 200 energy but say 100 oil (with a 0.5 efficiency - third or fourth conversion tech)

First a picture of UKs resource flow using the beginning .25 conversion multiplier:

Then this picture when I manually edited the save file to give a .5 multiplier:

Now the 73 effective IC translates to 7.3 units of oil in both cases, and with .25 multiplier that consumes 7.3/0.25 = 29.2 energy, with .5 multiplier energy consumption is cut in half to 14.6.