Ending satellite status

[Porcius]

Playing as Belgium, the Independence event left me as a Dutch satellite. Is there any way to end this situation? I am unable to dissolve the alliance because of my status.

I am considerably more powerful than the Netherlands at this point, and would like to pursue a colonial war or two.

 

[bud the chud]

you have to win a war with the Dutch

 

[Porcius]

I can't declare war on the Dutch until I end the alliance, which I can't do because I am a satellite.

And there is not a high chance of my other allies forcing me to choose between them and the Netherlands.

 

[Lamprey]

Looks like you have to either take the big prestige hit for breaking an alliance, or wait and hope one of your allies asks you to DoW on the netherlands. Which will *still* give you the prestige hit. Alternately, just wait till the alliance expires and don't renew it? These things usually take 10 or so years...

If you decide to take a prestige hit, go to south america and annex some little countries there, you get a nice prestige boost for an annexation and I doubt one of those would be a match for ya.

 

[Porcius]

As a satellite, my diplomatic options are very limited.

I can't break the alliance - satellites can't do that.

As a satellite, the alliance is perpetual.

I cannot declare any kind of war except as the defensive ally of the Netherlands.

So unless Greece or the UK get involved in a conflict with Holland, I guess I will have to wait.

I am now trying to reduce my relations with them through "colonial cessation" demands to see if I can provoke them into dropping me as a satellite. But, of course, as a satellite I only get one half of the DI that I would normally earn.

A Great Power, but a satellite. Peculiar.

 

[Syt]

Porcius, are you sure you cannot "Dissolve Alliance"? I've done at as Holstein to get loose from Denmark, but then again, I am not sure if it works thatw ay in 1.01.

 

[Porcius]

Yeah, I've tried that. I am told by the tooltip that I can't, and when I try it anyway nothing happens. I don't even lose a DI.

This is 1.01

 

[unmerged(21839)]

Id pick a war with UK and hope they dont want a piece of it and dishoner your alliance.

 

[Porcius]

Id pick a war with UK and hope they dont want a piece of it and dishoner your alliance.

Satellites are defensive allies only, so my options are pretty limited.

I'm perfectly willing to take the prestige hit if it gives me a chance to grab some more colonies.

 

[Grosshaus]

Yeah, I've tried that. I am told by the tooltip that I can't, and when I try it anyway nothing happens. I don't even lose a DI.

This is 1.01

Might it be that dissolving alliance requires positive prestige or some money which you lack?

 

[Porcius]

Might it be that dissolving alliance requires positive prestige or some money which you lack?

I have 600k pounds, so that's not an issue.

I have more prestige than the Dutch, more troops and more industry. I am the 5th greatest power in the world (those African colonies).

 

[korny]

Playing as Belgium, the Independence event left me as a Dutch satellite. Is there any way to end this situation? I am unable to dissolve the alliance because of my status.

I am considerably more powerful than the Netherlands at this point, and would like to pursue a colonial war or two.

You didnt do well enough in your initial war with the Netherlands and they chose to satellite you.

Start over and do better with your initial war.
They will grant you full indpendence and the UK and/or France and/or Austra will give you a guarantied independance treaty...

 

[Porcius]

You didnt do well enough in your initial war with the Netherlands and they chose to satellite you.

Start over and do better with your initial war.
They will grant you full indpendence and the UK and/or France and/or Austra will give you a guarantied independance treaty...

OK. That explains how I got here. (I did get my head handed to me in the war - how do the Belgians win that thing? I was badly outnumbered and outmoraled) I did get a British guarantee of independence.

But can I get out? I am in the 1870s now and I have no real desire to restart.

 

[unmerged(22196)]

Trough your alliance, do you have naval or millitary access? These will need to be canceled before a war can be declared.

 

[Porcius]

When I reloaded tonight, no problems at all. I could cancel the alliance with the Netherlands fine, and then had to declare war on them to end the satellite status.

Peculiar.