Encircled divisions and thousands disappearing just like that

[Saint Gwynllyw]

Out of curiosity which nations do you mean? Even the Germans sent Jewish POWs to normal POW camps and not concentration camps. I thought POWs were kept pretty well by all sides?

Heres some brief data



Percentage of
POWs that Died
Soviet POWs held by Germans 57.5%
German POWs held by Yugoslavs 41.2%
German POWs held by Soviets 35.8%
American POWs held by Japanese 33.0%
German POWs held by Eastern Europeans 32.9%
British POWs held by Japanese 24.8%
German POWs held by Czechoslovaks 5.0%
British POWs held by Germans 3.5%
German POWs held by French 2.58%
German POWs held by Americans 0.15%
German POWs held by British 0.03%

 

[Saint Gwynllyw]

Heres some brief data



Percentage of
POWs that Died

German POWs held by Eastern Europeans 32.9%

Querying my own source here lol but not quite sure what that one means,

I assume its Romania/Bulgaria/Poland SSR's?

 

[DocDesastro]

Again: the forum rules read furthermore "bringing up statistics to circumvent rules" are an infraction, too. OP just wanted to know whether a Manpower refund could be implemented after defeating a country. Could be a valid point.
Bringing up statistics on how many POW were killed by whatever nation - no matter the cause seems to be discussing war atrocities. We should refrain from this.

 

[Saint Gwynllyw]

Again: the forum rules read furthermore "bringing up statistics to circumvent rules" are an infraction, too. OP just wanted to know whether a Manpower refund could be implemented after defeating a country. Could be a valid point.
Bringing up statistics on how many POW were killed by whatever nation - no matter the cause seems to be discussing war atrocities. We should refrain from this.

The OP's statement about POW treatment warranted a response.

 

[Centerbe]

Realistically they all wouldn't just be executed just like that especially after surrendering.

i dont know if is possible talk about that in forum

 

[Mr.Bajskorv]

No, whats wrong with just killing the loosers?

IF you would have something like that then it would be a very basic simple mechanic, a nation gets X manpower %-based on its losses, in a event of peace. Maybe a higher percentage if encircled. Keep it simple.

 

[ILoveLamp]

Imo, from a realistic standpoint I don't thing solders coming straight out of POW camps would be in good enough heath to begin fighting anytime soon. I don't know exactly what the major belligerents of WWII actually did with relived POWs, but I'm guessing in most cases, especially if that nation was currently "winning", they were sent back home for a while, if not for the rest of the war. Even if it might not be 100% realistic, I think its fine to just write off captured units as permanently disabled for the sake of keeping things simple and non-politically charged. For a game that abstracts so many other, much more important realistic factors, I don't think it would be keeping in this games theme and scope to go and try to model realistic POW mechanics.

From a gameplay perspective, I'm personally fine with surrounded troops just vanishing and accepting that they had surrendered. I'm also fine with captured units and otherwise destroyed or permanently disabled units being rolled into one all inclusive "permanent losses" statistic. No need for the details imo, especially if they lead to legal issues in some European countries, but it would be nice to have that general units lost or manpower lost statistic.

Also, like others have said, please leave the political stuff out of these discussions. It's not needed to answer the OPs question and will only get this thread locked in the end.

(I'm sure the above comments have been repeated on this forum 10^18 times, but I'm bored and feel like typing stuff right now )

 

[risker34]

Id hope when units are surrounded they would fight a little bit, I mean in the siege of Bastogne the city was held by American paratroopers who were completely cut off from the rest of the allied lines, they help out for weeks until the American army managed to fight their way back to them.

Both battles of Stalingrad also fit this, although the Russians weren't completely cut off the Germans held the city for a while before surrendering.

 

[FieldMedic]

While what happens to POWs is probably a bit too grim to be tackled by Hearts of Iron I do agree that it would be nice to see how many men and how much equipment you captured. It might also be cool to be able to use a percentage of captured equipment for your own fighting forces.

 

[Metz]

i dont know if is possible talk about that in forum

...Meanwhile in EU4, there is a colonization mechanic that lets you kill all the natives in the province you are colonizing.

 

[Had a dad]

Closed... infractions incoming

Also no post warrants a reply if it breaks forum rules