Enable divert trade is bugged?

[Nellike]

I am playing as Germany in a MP. I vassalized the Netherlands and I enabled divert trade, which is supposed to give me 100% of their trade. I don't know why, but the netherlands kept 0.1 trade value in Lübeck (110 ducats value) which is being used to push forward 25 ducats. That doesn't make sense to me, if they have 0% trade power how can they be pushing almost 20% of the total value of the node. If this isn't a bug, how can I prevent the Netherland from taking my money without annexing them as my gov cap is low because of prussian monarchy.

Thanks

 

[grotaclas]

Is the 0.1 supposed to be "trade power"? I think it is normal that they keep 0.1 trade power. Maybe it is a rounding error. But that should have a negligible impact on the trade value which leaves the node. What makes you think that they are the country which is responsible for the loss of the trade value? Any country which has trade power in Lübeck and doesn't collect there will cause their share of trade power to leave the node(even if they don't have a merchant there). Can you maybe share a screenshot of the trade node window of the Lübeck trade node? That would probably clear things up

 

[Sidolowka]

I am playing as Germany in a MP. I vassalized the Netherlands and I enabled divert trade, which is supposed to give me 100% of their trade. I don't know why, but the netherlands kept 0.1 trade value in Lübeck (110 ducats value) which is being used to push forward 25 ducats. That doesn't make sense to me, if they have 0% trade power how can they be pushing almost 20% of the total value of the node. If this isn't a bug, how can I prevent the Netherland from taking my money without annexing them as my gov cap is low because of prussian monarchy.

Thanks

Rounding errors will cause them to keep 0.1 trade power in Lübeck. Whether this 0.1 trade power is enough to drag forward 20% of the node's value is dependant on various factors such as Dutch trade steering capability, other countries possessing trade power in Lübeck, and much more.

The most likely situation though however is that while other countries have trade power there too, the Netherlands are the only country steering trade in Lübeck. To quote the wiki,

If only one country is steering, all trade leaving the node goes to the node that country selected, no matter how tiny their trade power is.

Let's say hypothetically only three countries have trade power in Lübeck. Germany (you), the Netherlands, and Britain – you have 75% of the trade power, the Dutch have 1%, and the Brits have 24%. Even if Britain doesn't have a merchant in Lübeck actively diverting trade towards EC, their 24% would still affect the amount of trade value leaving Lübeck if the Netherlands were steering trade towards EC, meaning you would lose a total of 25% trade value. Either annex the Dutch, or remove all other countries with trade power in Lübeck and EC.

 

[grotaclas]

Either annex the Dutch, or remove all other countries with trade power in Lübeck and EC.

Annexing the dutch wouldn't really help, because in your example 24% of the trade value will still go to the english channel, because of the 24% trade power share of the british. That even happens if they don't have any merchants. Without a merchant, they don't increase the value after it has left the node and they can't steer where it goes, but Lübeck can only go to the english channel anyway.

 

[Sidolowka]

Annexing the dutch wouldn't really help, because in your example 24% of the trade value will still go to the english channel, because of the 24% trade power share of the british. That even happens if they don't have any merchants. Without a merchant, they don't increase the value after it has left the node and they can't steer where it goes, but Lübeck can only go to the english channel anyway.

You're right.

 

[atwix]

you would need to annex the British too to prevent money from leaving Lubeck. Even if Britain doesn't have a merchant there, the amount of trade power they got in channel will still suck the money out.

the only thing you can do is place as much trade ships in lubeck as possible to protect it..

right?

 

[EarlKonrad]

you would need to annex the British too to prevent money from leaving Lubeck. Even if Britain doesn't have a merchant there, the amount of trade power they got in channel will still suck the money out.

the only thing you can do is place as much trade ships in lubeck as possible to protect it..

right?

Wouldn't placing Light Ships in the channel be better as the trade power would propagate down to Lubeck's node?

 

[grotaclas]

Wouldn't placing Light Ships in the channel be better as the trade power would propagate down to Lubeck's node?

Ship trade power doesn't normally propagate. Only 20% of the provincial trade power propagates upstream. Even with the +20% Ship tradepower propagation from the age of reformation ability "Powerful Tradeships", Lübeck would only get 4% of the trade power of the ships in the channel. I think this happens because the 20% of the ships trade power is added to the provincial trade power and then 20% of that sum is propagated upstream. So sending ships to Lübeck would be much more effective.

 

[Nellike]

Rounding errors will cause them to keep 0.1 trade power in Lübeck. Whether this 0.1 trade power is enough to drag forward 20% of the node's value is dependant on various factors such as Dutch trade steering capability, other countries possessing trade power in Lübeck, and much more.

The most likely situation though however is that while other countries have trade power there too, the Netherlands are the only country steering trade in Lübeck. To quote the wiki,

If only one country is steering, all trade leaving the node goes to the node that country selected, no matter how tiny their trade power is.

Let's say hypothetically only three countries have trade power in Lübeck. Germany (you), the Netherlands, and Britain – you have 75% of the trade power, the Dutch have 1%, and the Brits have 24%. Even if Britain doesn't have a merchant in Lübeck actively diverting trade towards EC, their 24% would still affect the amount of trade value leaving Lübeck if the Netherlands were steering trade towards EC, meaning you would lose a total of 25% trade value. Either annex the Dutch, or remove all other countries with trade power in Lübeck and EC.

Okay, that's exactly the situation. France, GB and Netherlands have trade power in Lübeck, and only thr Netherlands are steering the trade, so I understand that all tradepower from countries with a downstream node is being used by the netherlands. Thank you!

 

[grotaclas]

Okay, that's exactly the situation. France, GB and Netherlands have trade power in Lübeck, and only thr Netherlands are steering the trade, so I understand that all tradepower from countries with a downstream node is being used by the netherlands. Thank you!

The Netherlands aren't really using that trade. It would leave Lübeck even if the Netherlands are not present. The trade from all countries who don't collect in Lübeck will leave the node even if these countries don't have any power in the english channel. And this even happens if none of those nations use a merchant to steer trade. The only thing that the merchant of the netherlands does is increase the trade value which arrives at the english channel, but it doesn't have any impact on the amount of trade value which leaves Lübeck. That increase happens afterwards. And if Lübeck would have multiple downstream nodes, the merchant who steers would decide where the trade goes. But this doesn't matter in Lübeck, because Lübeck has only one downstream node.