Empires of Europe - a colonial adventure

[unmerged(7276)]

England will be keeping the CC as compensation for the advantages it looses unless someone has better idea. Others have had compensation so i dont see why england wouldnt.

 

[Alfonso V]

England will be keeping the CC as compensation for the advantages it looses unless someone has better idea. Others have had compensation so i dont see why england wouldnt.

Ok then France also want CC.
And at all im supporting that every nation shoud start with CC in this way.
CC is only rightfull for little nations like NL and Porto. And for the OE as an effect.
But not more rightfull then a CC in Paris.

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

England will be keeping the CC as compensation for the advantages it looses unless someone has better idea. Others have had compensation so i dont see why england wouldnt.

CC for England is rightfully compensation, but high tech for Holland isn't.

 

[Kindjal]

No compensation you say?

Hm, I see England got cores on Ireland, Scotland and Gaelic culture.

Yep, looks like compensation for me.

But hey, if we move the shipyard from Anglia to Wessex "The Admirality" gets you a second one for free!

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

Provs can still be traded as players see fit. These can be edited as stated in the rules.

Nitram (Austria),

Maybe you would like to banish Ruthenia? It is ruthenian (mine) culture and orthodox. But I do not have core on it, so you will have to agree for exchange now, when game is still on editing stage.

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

But hey, if we move the shipyard from Anglia to Wessex "The Admirality" gets you a second one for free!

So you want England with more shipyards and less CCs? I prefere version with less shipyards and more CCs

 

[Alfonso V]

i edited my last opinion.

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

1 - OE to latin tech??

He will manage with orthodox, I am sure.

2 - tech levels. If you look at tech levels on the stats page they are very uneven. Should be give same level to all players ?

Maybe not equal, but 4 trade foe Holland and 1st infra (!!!) for Poland is a little crazy.

 

[unmerged(19027)]

I agree, England needs the MP boost to be on comparable grounds with the continental powers. I looked at the edits made by Kindjal and everything seems ok, but let's clarify things here:

General Edits:

-Tech base is 6/6/3/3
-Greek islands have gained Maltese culture and lost Greek
-Equal starting warships?
-All nations have shipyards
-All nations have 600 cash to start, with possible exceptions
-All nations with TC's in each province to start

Ottoman Empire

-Gained Latin tech
-Gained Greek tech
-Regained cores on mainland Greece
-Smyrna converted to Islam, possible culture change
-Other conversions?

Netherlands

-Big forts in provinces
-One CC
-Trade 4?
-Naval factories seem like too much, comparing to other nation edits
-Flandern lost, COT moved to Amsterdam
-More cash?

England

-CC in Anglia
-CC in Scotland
-naval tech advantage?
-Core on Calais?

Sweeden/Denmark

-Some naval factories?
-Maybe an additional CC, this MP sucks
-More cash
-Trade 4?
-Some fort upgrades

France

-Core on Lorraine
-Core on France Comte to start
-Annexed vassals?

Italy

-Lost Ionia to OE
-Core on Ionia lost

Austria

-Lost Greek culture
-Lost manus
-Lost Ragusa
-Cores on Bavaria kept

Spain

-Regained Flandern
-Lost cores on Dutch provinces?
-Lost cores on Italy?

Poland

-Baltic culture added
-Core on Ruthenia added

I would like to get all these edits done this weekend, though some have already been made (thanks Kindjal). If you have suggestions or I've forgotten something again, post it here, as soon as possible.

 

[Alfonso V]

General Edits:

-Tech base is 6/6/3/3
-Greek islands have gained Maltese culture and lost Greek
-Equal starting warships?
-All nations have shipyards
-All nations have 600 cash to start, with possible exceptions
-All nations with TC's in each province to start

France

-Core on Lorraine
-Core on France Comte to start
-Annexed vassals

In this case France accept that England has 1 or 2 CC.
But also Calis will be a conflict zone between England and France. I dont like wars so pls dont add english core on calis. maybe i will jusz buy that but if u add core on it.. hah.. not good idea

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

General Edits:

-Tech base is 6/6/3/3.

ok

-Greek islands have gained Maltese culture and lost Greek.

I do not understand that edit...

-Equal starting warships?

not good, previous version better

-All nations have shipyards

ok

--All nations have 600 cash to start, with possible exceptions

not good, previous version better

-All nations with TC's in each province to start

yes, taxcollector was invented in ancient times...


Ottoman Empire

-Gained Latin tech

orthodox will be fine

-Gained Greek tech

You mean culture, right? Better gice greek to Austria as it was.

-Regained cores on mainland Greece

No, Austria should have Greece as 'naval land'.

-Smyrna converted to Islam, possible culture change

ok


Netherlands

-Big forts in provinces

small, only one big

-One CC

ok

-Trade 4?

3, 4th is too much

-Naval factories seem like too much, comparing to other nation edits

yes

-Flandern lost, COT moved to Amsterdam

Leave Flandern as its proves, but COT can be in Amsterdam

-More cash??

800


England

-CC in Anglia

ok

-CC in Scotland

ok

-naval tech advantage?

yes

-Core on Calais?

Not good idea. France will have enough problems in NA.


Sweeden/Denmark

-Some naval factories?

no

-Maybe an additional CC, this MP sucks?

ok

-More cash?

no

-Trade 4?

ts ts, 3 or even 2


France

-Core on Lorraine

yes

-Core on France Comte to start

yes

-Annexed vassals?

no


Italy

-Lost Ionia to OE

seems logic

-Core on Ionia lost?

same


Austria

-Lost Greek culture

no

-Lost manus

not all

-Lost Ragusa

not sure

-Cores on Bavaria kept

ok


Spain

-Regained Flandern

no

-Lost cores on Dutch provinces?

yes

-Lost cores on Italy?

yes


Why Poland is on end??!!

Poland

-Baltic culture added

good

-Core on Ruthenia added

very good

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

Ah! And what about moving Pommern capital?

 

[Alfonso V]

What do we at all want now? Nations like GradC or nations like Age of Merchantilism? But that is not corret that NL like in AoM and france like GC.
Choose: every nation like AoM or GC!
England, NL, AU like AoM and france and others (OE) like more then GC.

 

[unmerged(7276)]

really people complaining about a CC in anglia makes no sense to me. England are a weak nation until 1600s in normal game! This is when they are in position to dominate trade and NA like last weekday game. Without this or leaders they are going to be very hard. Cores on scotland is very little really. I mean after spain gets cores on portugal which gives them 2 COTs and austria gets all those provs. Not to mention Poland and OE getting latin tech. You think 1 crappy CC is too much! It will still be less mp than almost everyone and about half of french MP in later game when increses come. In summary the CC stays and if anyone thinks this is too much then i will swap with them because england is going to be the third weakest imo and will probably be invaded badly.

 

[Alfonso V]

really people complaining about a CC in anglia makes no sense to me. England are a weak nation until 1600s in normal game! This is when they are in position to dominate trade and NA like last weekday game. Without this or leaders they are going to be very hard. Cores on scotland is very little really. I mean after spain gets cores on portugal which gives them 2 COTs and austria gets all those provs. Not to mention Poland and OE getting latin tech. You think 1 crappy CC is too much! It will still be less mp than almost everyone and about half of french MP in later game when increses come. In summary the CC stays and if anyone thinks this is too much then i will swap with them because england is going to be the third weakest imo and will probably be invaded badly.

I understand your point of wiew but u can see as well mine about france pozicion. U can have your CC centers and i agree with u a 2. one in scotland but then let me start with a united country not stupid vasals. At least annex that in the middle of france.

 

[Tem_Probe]

As far as Sweden's manpower is concerned, additional Conscription centers, if nice, aren't necessarily the best fix. Cores on ugric russia would help once I can get them. Another way might simply be to raise Scandinavia's very low population levels to more decent ones. Half the provinces start with less than 5000 inhabitants, and that hurts in the early game.

 

[Kindjal]

I heard enough of this "England is to weak, wah wah".

Let's put it into perspective.
Equilising the manpower at Quality 9, each starting manpower is as followed:

Spain+Granada, 39
France+Bourbonais+Brittany, 34
England+Scots, 33
Poland, 31
Italy, 46
Netherlands, 16
Sweden+Norway and raised inhabitants to at least 10k, 16
Ottomans, 45
Austria, 37

 

[Tem_Probe]

Spain+Granada, 39
France+Bourbonais+Brittany, 34
England+Scots, 33
Poland, 31
Italy, 46
Netherlands, 16
Sweden+Norway and raised inhabitants to at least 10k, 16
Ottomans, 45
Austria, 37

Hmm. Looks like its Netherlands and Sweden who'll have the biggest problems.

 

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Ottoman Empire

orthodox will be fine

well no.. with orthodox there is no way OE can keep up in anything other than landtech.. (or naval then i guess.. but not both)

You mean culture, right? Better gice greek to Austria as it was.

why cant they both have the culture?..

No, Austria should have Greece as 'naval land'.

as above...

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

well no.. with orthodox there is no way OE can keep up in anything other than landtech.. (or naval then i guess.. but not both)

Hmm, maybe you are right about that...

Why cant they both have the culture?...

But this case is not so simple. We do not want Austria and OE fighting for Greece all game. We have to decide who will have cores on it and greek culture. Both is not option.