((On another note, did you guys notice that Dithmarschen is basically a communist country in EUIV ?))
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((It's funny because in game fenix's primary electorate is Egyptian and Chinese farmers. I happily invite the Fenix to pivot to trying win the vote of all ~45000 capitalists and maybe the some clerks as well. Should allow them to keep their four seats.))
((While that is interesting, the in-game development is hardly something I care for. My anarcho-liberal Fénix are now pure capitalists as the masses are happily ignoring the party for the Assembly elections. IC it makes far more sense for capitalists to support the party. Besides, whatever I am saying won't change the in-game electorate anyway. The game world offers the numbers for other matters than the electors as far as I am concerned. Or did I miss that the Fénix gained around 10% of the seats
?))((You do know that the Fraternidad is basically just the Reconquista with the Marina and Adelante attached to it, right? And both the Marina and Adelante have exactly one member, right? I'm basically the most powerful person in the Fraternidad, like it or not.
I'll also be annexing the Marina into the Reconquista, because their only member is currently inactive, if that's possible.))
((I would prefer it if you are not annexing the Marina, as @05060403 mentioned a few times that he wanted to break away from the Fraternidad (BTW, now that my party is pure capitalist, you'd be welcome
). He also wanted to accept my fusion offer at some point, and I wouldn't want to just absorb the St-Pierre factories without a renewed confirmation from him (we had already agreed on a name for the future company).Now that I think of it, I might make a somewhat similar offer to @BelisariustheGreat . You'd be in control of the military branch. Just say something if you're interested.))
((The original plan was that I'd be joint leader of both the Reconquista and Marina but keep them separate (I changed it to a full annexation because I thought it doesn't make sense), but if 05 wants to join with you, I'd be fine with that. What do you mean by giving me control of the military branch? Doesn't the Marina only have one member?))((While that is interesting, the in-game development is hardly something I care for. My anarcho-liberal Fénix are now pure capitalists as the masses are happily ignoring the party for the Assembly elections. IC it makes far more sense for capitalists to support the party. Besides, whatever I am saying won't change the in-game electorate anyway. The game world offers the numbers for other matters than the electors as far as I am concerned. Or did I miss that the Fénix gained around 10% of the seats
((I would prefer it if you are not annexing the Marina, as @05060403 mentioned a few times that he wanted to break away from the Fraternidad (BTW, now that my party is pure capitalist, you'd be welcome
Now that I think of it, I might make a somewhat similar offer to @BelisariustheGreat . You'd be in control of the military branch. Just say something if you're interested.))
((Yeah, you'll remain general. The only way you'll get demoted is if you screw up horribly on the battlefield or commit a crime, like, say, leading a terrorist group.
))
Senor de Alejandria
Thank you for your cooperation. It's nice to hear that you at least are willing to work with us. I understand your concerns about working with Senor Medrano, and I understand. But if I may, let me make an offer here: the Reconquista and Marina will join a coalition with the Caballeresca (and the Social Moderates, if you want to include them) under the name of Fraternidad, but without the Adelante, so that the Fraternidad will continue to exist without Senor Medrano (since his party has a negligible presence even within the Fraternidad, this should not present any problems). Cortz reform is not a priority, so that should satisfy the more conservative members. Our primary concerns are passing franchise expansion and other social reforms, and we are willing to compromise on economic and military policy, though we will not accept trickle-down economics or pacifism in any way (since you campaigned against both during the election, this should not be a problem). Please relay these terms to the rest of your colleagues so we can hear their opinions.
Regards,
Leon
((You do know that the Fraternidad is basically just the Reconquista with the Marina and Adelante attached to it, right? And both the Marina and Adelante have exactly one member, right? I'm basically the most powerful person in the Fraternidad, like it or not.
I'll also be annexing the Marina into the Reconquista, because their only member is currently inactive, if that's possible.))
I will see what the party says. I do wish to clarify, you want the Caballeresa, Social Moderata, and the Reconquista to run under a coalition, also called the Fraternidad? I don't think that name would be well received by the members of my party, maybe something different could be proposed. As for the matter of Franchise expansion, I will see the party decides, but I must tell you, the idea of equalization has encountered some resistance among members of the party. I'll get back to you.
Regards,
Alfonso de Alejandría
Conde de Alejandría
Chamberlain of the Cortz
Minister of the Navy
Regards,
Alfonso de Alejandría
Conde de Alejandría
Chamberlain of the Cortz
Minister of the Navy
((Me merging the Imperials and the Unionists got special permission from Michael, seeing as the members had been inactive for a LONG time. Usually you'd need consent from a member of the other party. And absorbing his party without his permission a good way to destroy whatever loyalty O5 has to the Fraternidad.
))Seeing as we have a majority in one matter, I will send an offer to the Reformista. I also wish to share a letter from Senor de Leon. Think about it. You can still change your votes on other matters if you wish. ((You now know about zenphoenix's offer.)) I think this is the best bet to definitively take control of Parliament. As for Franchise equalisation, if we agree to it in exchange for no Cortz Reform, we will solidify our gains in the Cortz by protecting their seats. I ask that you keep this in mind as you vote.
@liefwarrior @Firehound15
Greetings,
If you're interested, the members of my coalition have suggested a partnership between your party and us. If this is desirable, let us know, and we can begin talks.
Alfonso de Alejandría
Conde de Alejandría
If you're interested, the members of my coalition have suggested a partnership between your party and us. If this is desirable, let us know, and we can begin talks.
Alfonso de Alejandría
Conde de Alejandría
((While that is interesting, the in-game development is hardly something I care for. My anarcho-liberal Fénix are now pure capitalists as the masses are happily ignoring the party for the Assembly elections. IC it makes far more sense for capitalists to support the party. Besides, whatever I am saying won't change the in-game electorate anyway. The game world offers the numbers for other matters than the electors as far as I am concerned. Or did I miss that the Fénix gained around 10% of the seats
((I would prefer it if you are not annexing the Marina, as @05060403 mentioned a few times that he wanted to break away from the Fraternidad (BTW, now that my party is pure capitalist, you'd be welcome
Now that I think of it, I might make a somewhat similar offer to @BelisariustheGreat . You'd be in control of the military branch. Just say something if you're interested.))
((Actually, now that the election is over, I guess there's no harm in telling you guys this. @05060403 was the one who convinced me to break with the Fraternidad. I can confirm he wanted to break away as well. We intended for the Marina to join me, but we see how that turned out.
))
((If that's the case, I'll drop my request to annex/take over the Marina. Pretend I never attempted it.))
I will see what the party says. I do wish to clarify, you want the Caballeresa, Social Moderata, and the Reconquista to run under a coalition, also called the Fraternidad? I don't think that name would be well received by the members of my party, maybe something different could be proposed. As for the matter of Franchise expansion, I will see the party decides, but I must tell you, the idea of equalization has encountered some resistance among members of the party. I'll get back to you.
Regards,
Alfonso de Alejandría
Conde de Alejandría
Chamberlain of the Cortz
Minister of the Navy
((Me merging the Imperials and the Unionists got special permission from Michael, seeing as the members had been inactive for a LONG time. Usually you'd need consent from a member of the other party. And absorbing his party without his permission a good way to destroy whatever loyalty O5 has to the Fraternidad.
Seeing as we have a majority in one matter, I will send an offer to the Reformista. I also wish to share a letter from Senor de Leon. Think about it. You can still change your votes on other matters if you wish. ((You now know about zenphoenix's offer.)) I think this is the best bet to definitively take control of Parliament. As for Franchise equalisation, if we agree to it in exchange for no Cortz Reform, we will solidify our gains in the Cortz by protecting their seats. I ask that you keep this in mind as you vote.
@liefwarrior @Firehound15
Greetings,
If you're interested, the members of my coalition have suggested a partnership between your party and us. If this is desirable, let us know, and we can begin talks.
Alfonso de Alejandría
Conde de Alejandría
((Actually, now that the election is over, I guess there's no harm in telling you guys this. @05060403 was the one who convinced me to break with the Fraternidad. I can confirm he wanted to break away as well. We intended for the Marina to join me, but we see how that turned out.
My apologies for not being clear. I meant that the Marina and Reconquista maintain their partnership within our coalition with your associates. This partnership of the Reconquista and Marina would maintain the name of the Fraternidad for continuity reasons. The overall name of the coalition involving all parties would be something else, which we'll decide later.
Alright. Thank you for the clarification. Once the matter regarding our stance on Franchise expansion is resolved, I will get back to you.
Regards,
Alfonso de Alejandría
Regards,
Alfonso de Alejandría
Ally with the Fraternidad: Only Reconquista
Franchise Equalization: In exchange for blocking Cortz Reform
Ally with Reformistas: Yes
Antione Villanova
Franchise Equalization: In exchange for blocking Cortz Reform
Ally with Reformistas: Yes
Antione Villanova
We now officially have a majority of the members of the coalition who support an alliance with the Reconquista. Th only issue that needs to be voted on now is that of Franchise Equalization.
@Robban204
@Macke11
@zenphoenix
@Sancronis
@Macke11
@zenphoenix
@Sancronis
There appears to be, among Fraternidad's membership, a certain agreement that it'd make sense to first approach the Partido Popular to form a coalition.
Therefore, I ask, should approach the popular party to form a coalition.
All in favour say Yes, all against say No.
Therefore, I ask, should approach the popular party to form a coalition.
All in favour say Yes, all against say No.
((That's something of a historical inaccuracy. As I mention in my Dithmarschen AAR, it's actually more of a decentralized pseudo-oligarchy. Nearly all power was held by a consistent group of wealthy landowning families, and while it's very interesting that they existed in a society without a substantial aristocracy, there was very little "communist" about the republic. With that said, it did have some semblance of anarchism, although the fact that they had a formal political system and constitution makes that statement fairly inaccurate as well.))
((About my previous post, I'm still interested in what alscon means by giving me the military branch of the Marina, though I'm not attempting a full takeover.))
On the question of an alliance with the Partido Popular, I say no.
My colleagues,
Recently, I have begun negotiations with the Caballeresca Coalition (and to some extent the Social Moderates) about a possible alliance. Senor de Alejandria promises me that in exchange for no immediate Cortz reform (which isn't a priority for us anyways) he will get his coalition to support franchise expansion and our other major policies (social, economic, military, etc.). We can keep the name of Fraternidad within the coalition with the Caballeresca, and our combined size will allow us to dominate any coalition with them. The only drawback is that they do not want to work with Adelante or Senor Medrano. I do not trust the Partido Popular because their policies do not fit well with ours, and they can only help us gain a small majority in the Assembly, while the Caballeresca can give us total control over both houses. It is better that they be allies than enemies. I understand Medrano is a good friend of ours, but sometimes we need to make concessions to get what we want, and besides, Senor Medrano's party is quite small anyways. I would like to seek your opinion on this matter before moving forward with negotiations.
Regards,
Leon
((You now know about the terms I offered TylerCraigofPrussia.))
Recently, I have begun negotiations with the Caballeresca Coalition (and to some extent the Social Moderates) about a possible alliance. Senor de Alejandria promises me that in exchange for no immediate Cortz reform (which isn't a priority for us anyways) he will get his coalition to support franchise expansion and our other major policies (social, economic, military, etc.). We can keep the name of Fraternidad within the coalition with the Caballeresca, and our combined size will allow us to dominate any coalition with them. The only drawback is that they do not want to work with Adelante or Senor Medrano. I do not trust the Partido Popular because their policies do not fit well with ours, and they can only help us gain a small majority in the Assembly, while the Caballeresca can give us total control over both houses. It is better that they be allies than enemies. I understand Medrano is a good friend of ours, but sometimes we need to make concessions to get what we want, and besides, Senor Medrano's party is quite small anyways. I would like to seek your opinion on this matter before moving forward with negotiations.
Regards,
Leon
((You now know about the terms I offered TylerCraigofPrussia.))
((The thing about the military branch was directed to BelisariustheGreat, I'm fairly certain.))
- As Manuel smoked a cigarette in the balcony, a letter fell from a nearby tree:
''Señor D'Garcia, the Emperor refused to read the book, but took it anyways, so we can have hope, but I will continue my duty with the other members you instructed me, if you want anything else leave a note on the balcony and I will do it.
Best wishes, Geraldo''
Manuel went it wrote a letter and leaved it on the balcony, stating that a book should be delivered to Manuel Medrano.
((So, @Bioiron I think you have a book to read, also @05060403 and @texasjoshua you still have a book being delivered))
''Señor D'Garcia, the Emperor refused to read the book, but took it anyways, so we can have hope, but I will continue my duty with the other members you instructed me, if you want anything else leave a note on the balcony and I will do it.
Best wishes, Geraldo''
Manuel went it wrote a letter and leaved it on the balcony, stating that a book should be delivered to Manuel Medrano.
((So, @Bioiron I think you have a book to read, also @05060403 and @texasjoshua you still have a book being delivered))
In a speech to parliament.
Fellow parliamentarians, I wish to remind you of something.
In this time of coalition building, we must make sure that we respect the electorate, to ensure the protection of the well being of this empire.
Proceeding this election, we saw a conservative coalition form via a defections and backroom deals, out of the sight of the electorate.
That was one thing, it was the 3 year of four year cabinet, a cabinet that was created from a rainbow coalition of parties, lead by Fraternidad, because Fraternidad was the party that, together, won the most votes.
We also saw the formation of a, at least ostensibly, a liberal entity created by the breaking a part of one conservative party and a defection from Fraternidad.
Faced with these options, the Fraternidad, which had remained largely the same as it's ever been, the electorate of Hispania made the point of giving them a larger share of the vote than any other party.
It is clear, that the Hispanian electorate prefers clarity and vision, over obscurity and opportunism.
That vision included, an equalization of the franchise and as was made abundantly clear in the past election with liberal parties that are supportive of the expansion of the franchise winning a clear majority. As the Emperor said, we were to have a clear discussion on the merits of expanding the franchise. We in Fraternidad attempted that, and primarily met silence from the conservative side. The electorate have broken that silence by sending an overwhelming liberal parliament to Valencia.
As for clarity, Hispanians clear want to see a cabinet that reflects what they voted for. As such they'd no doubt react very negatively to, immediately after the election, a coalition to be formed by yet again breaking a part and forming new parties. A reminder that we are operating under a system of proportional representation, it is not the individuals that are voted for, but the party it's self and what it stands for.
We are also, as Leon has said, both a monarchy and democracy. From monarchy comes an expectation of clarity and stability, from democracy comes an expectation that the input of the electorate matters and is to be respected for what it is. To do otherwise is to intentionally, and gravely disrespect the system and risk throwing it into disarray. And for what? A craven lust for it's self power, as there is no hope for growth and progress in power gained in disrespect, as all it's effort must be put towards maintaining it and none in using it.
So mark my words, should we ever be lead down that shameful path, no good shall come from it, stability will be cast to the side and the electorate have the vision it voted for, such as franchise expansion and equalization, abandoned. I pray we will not be lead down such a path of foolishness and cowardice.
Fellow parliamentarians, I wish to remind you of something.
In this time of coalition building, we must make sure that we respect the electorate, to ensure the protection of the well being of this empire.
Proceeding this election, we saw a conservative coalition form via a defections and backroom deals, out of the sight of the electorate.
That was one thing, it was the 3 year of four year cabinet, a cabinet that was created from a rainbow coalition of parties, lead by Fraternidad, because Fraternidad was the party that, together, won the most votes.
We also saw the formation of a, at least ostensibly, a liberal entity created by the breaking a part of one conservative party and a defection from Fraternidad.
Faced with these options, the Fraternidad, which had remained largely the same as it's ever been, the electorate of Hispania made the point of giving them a larger share of the vote than any other party.
It is clear, that the Hispanian electorate prefers clarity and vision, over obscurity and opportunism.
That vision included, an equalization of the franchise and as was made abundantly clear in the past election with liberal parties that are supportive of the expansion of the franchise winning a clear majority. As the Emperor said, we were to have a clear discussion on the merits of expanding the franchise. We in Fraternidad attempted that, and primarily met silence from the conservative side. The electorate have broken that silence by sending an overwhelming liberal parliament to Valencia.
As for clarity, Hispanians clear want to see a cabinet that reflects what they voted for. As such they'd no doubt react very negatively to, immediately after the election, a coalition to be formed by yet again breaking a part and forming new parties. A reminder that we are operating under a system of proportional representation, it is not the individuals that are voted for, but the party it's self and what it stands for.
We are also, as Leon has said, both a monarchy and democracy. From monarchy comes an expectation of clarity and stability, from democracy comes an expectation that the input of the electorate matters and is to be respected for what it is. To do otherwise is to intentionally, and gravely disrespect the system and risk throwing it into disarray. And for what? A craven lust for it's self power, as there is no hope for growth and progress in power gained in disrespect, as all it's effort must be put towards maintaining it and none in using it.
So mark my words, should we ever be lead down that shameful path, no good shall come from it, stability will be cast to the side and the electorate have the vision it voted for, such as franchise expansion and equalization, abandoned. I pray we will not be lead down such a path of foolishness and cowardice.
((For the record, changing the Popular miliary stance would have us have the same issues as the Phoenix, which isn't allowed. Assuming that it is a single shift to Anti Military. A double shift is a bit much...))