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Much as i am saddened by the passing of such a man, i ask to assume the role of steward your grace.

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Since we have need of a Steward, I shall grant your request. I have also decided that Stefano von Thun ((@SirAlucard)) shall serve as Marshal, although he will not be required to draft a plan until our next session. ((I decided that there's no point making you wait for the position.)) I also wish to announce that I am forced to fire our Representative to Byzantium, Ioannes Kontostephanos. Perhaps he has been too caught up in Greek politics, but his responses have been lacking. While part of his job is indeed to keep the Greeks happy under our protection, he must also ensure that he reports back to me, which he has failed to do. I shall be seeking a replacement immediately.

- His Majesty, Ferran II de Trastámara, King of Aragon and Naples, and Protector of the Greeks
 

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Bishop Sastre

I never meant to insult anyone. It's just that gold can corrupt even the brightest minds when it comes in the right amounth. The people in the Papal States have shown me this on my many journeys to their lands. Or, as a wise man I once met said: "Every man has his price. Sometimes, it's just a big one". On a side note, my son Càrlo is 9 years old now and I would like him to get education from wise people. Unfortunately, the teachers in our school in Zaragoza aren't the brightest minds but replacements aren't exactly easy to find. Would you be willing to take care of him until I can send him to university? I'm sure a man of church like you knows exactly what children need to get learning.

Greetings
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Marshal of the Realm

((Thanks Michaelangelo :D))
 

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Bishop Sastre

I never meant to insult anyone. It's just that gold can corrupt even the brightest minds when it comes in the right amounth. The people in the Papal States have shown me this on my many journeys to their lands. Or, as a wise man I once met said: "Every man has his price. Sometimes, it's just a big one". On a side note, my son Càrlo is 9 years old now and I would like him to get education from wise people. Unfortunately, the teachers in our school in Zaragoza aren't the brightest minds but replacements aren't exactly easy to find. Would you be willing to take care of him until I can send him to university? I'm sure a man of church like you knows exactly what children need to get learning.

Greetings
Stefano von Thun
Count of Zaragoza
Marshal of the Realm

((Thanks Michaelangelo :D))

My Lord Marshal, many congratulations on your appointment. With their potentially vengeful sovereign lord watching their actions it would have to be an astronomical sum. Beyond imagination perhaps. However it seems we must simply agree to disagree on the usefulness of this innovation.
I would happily oversee your boy's education. No doubt he would learn much just from observing the machinations of court, but I can also instruct him in the classics and other such subjects.

((Are you really sure you want him educated by Manuel? If so how will the boy react to the casual corruption and such?))
 
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Bishop Sastre

I never meant to insult anyone. It's just that gold can corrupt even the brightest minds when it comes in the right amounth. The people in the Papal States have shown me this on my many journeys to their lands. Or, as a wise man I once met said: "Every man has his price. Sometimes, it's just a big one". On a side note, my son Càrlo is 9 years old now and I would like him to get education from wise people. Unfortunately, the teachers in our school in Zaragoza aren't the brightest minds but replacements aren't exactly easy to find. Would you be willing to take care of him until I can send him to university? I'm sure a man of church like you knows exactly what children need to get learning.

Greetings
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Count of Zaragoza
Marshal of the Realm

((Thanks Michaelangelo :D))
Count Von Thun,
May I recommend the royal academy of Tarragona where I was educated. It provided a deep study of all major topics such as geography, finance, politic, and many more subJects while also providing basic military training if desired. Attached to the academy is the Chapel seminary which offers education of more holy subjects. I would be honored to present letters of recommendation and to host Carlo at the Palazzo D'Este in Tarragona.
-Alfonso D'Este, Viceroy of Naples, Baron of Castello di San Giorgio, Conte de Menorca.
 

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I do not support the practice of simony, liar. I have always condemned such corruption.

-Cardinal de Vascona
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Dear Cardinal de Vascona,

I level these charges at you as you obviously have been turning the other cheek when it comes to the shameless corruption and simony of Bishop Sastre. You are the face of the church in Aragon, the father of all our clerics, a fountain of wisdom in ecclesiastical matters and you let the church's reputation get tarnished in your own home kingdom. The flustering, blustering, rants that the bishop Sastre has been sprouting are signs of concealing his guilt. Bring him to be judged by his majesty, the holy father, the consistory, or any other body and root out one parasite from Holy mother church. Let the Decadent elements in the Vatican tremble.
-Alfonso D'Este, Viceroy of Naples
 
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Dear Cardinal de Vascona,

I level these charges at you as you obviously have been turning the other cheek when it comes to the shameless corruption and simony of Bishop Sastre. You are the face of the church in Aragon, the father of all our clerics, a fountain of wisdom in ecclesiastical matters and you let the church's reputation get tarnished in your own home kingdom. The flustering, blustering, rants that the bishop Sastre has been sprouting are signs of concealing his guilt. Bring him to be judged by his majesty, the holy father, the consistory, or any other body and root out one parasite from Holy mother church. Let the Decadent elements in the Vatican tremble.
-Alfonso D'Este, Viceroy of Naples

((Private))

To Alfonso D'Este,

I know nothing of any charges of corruption against His Eminence, Bishop Sastre. Do you possess any proof of such misdeeds? Until I see such evidence I will consider the bishop to be an outstanding Christian and clergyman.

Sincerely,

Cardinal de Vascona
Bishop of Pirineo



"What person is the 'The Theologian' referring to in Summa Theologica?" De Vascona asked Juan. They had been working for hours in a very tiring session.

"Saint Augustine," Juan confidently replied.

"What about 'The Master'?"

"Peter Lombard."

"Good, good. One last question- what is the natural law?"

"Law that comes from the eternal law of Divine Reason that governs the universe and understood by rational beings."

"Marvelous, my boy."

The cardinal sat next to his pupil.

"You are strong in the ways of the Church. But you have much to learn," Fernando said. "I can feel the Holy Spirit within you. Embrace its power. It gives you focus, it makes you stronger."
 
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Adriano Juan Cardinal de Valencia, having returned to Aragon after Cardinal de Vascona proposed various... far-reaching acts to the Royal Diet of Aragon, was asked to inform the Diet of the opinion of the more sober Cardinal of Aragon and indeed the Conclave.

Your Majesty, Your Eminence, My Lords and Ladies of Aragon,

With piety and soberness, I have served the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit since my earliest memories, spreading the Word to young and old, peasant and noble, female and male, yet none truly understood it, for none, when they were honoured with the ability to see the Holy Bible, could understand the meaning behind the teachings, for none spoke Latin. That is why we, Pastors, Bishops, Cardinals and His Holiness, spread the Word to all who wish to listen, for we, servents of the deputy of first Pope and disciple of the Lord, must continue the Most Holy and Pious task given to the disciples by the Lord. However, we have long lost piety and soberness in which a man of God should labour, for many men of God have been overcome with greed, arrogance and pride, creating teaching like that of Purgetory, of which one shan't find any sentence or word in the Holy Bible, rather than following the Word of God, selling Forgiveness, a resource that isn't ours to give, since we are merely deputies of the disciples, not spokesmen of the Lord, to even the most wicked men, rather than encouraging those rich enough to buy "forgiveness" for their many sins to help their neighbours. However, the selling of Forgiveness is but a means to complete a project wicked through hubris, the new Saint Peter's Basilica. This project, which can be described as the Second Tower of Babel, due to the hubristic act of tearing down the true Saint Peter's Basilica, build on the Rock of the Lord's Church, is the greatest evidence that the men of God have been lead astray by greed, arrogance and pride and that this Church must reform.

How can it be solved, you may ask, it is simple, Your Majesty, Your Eminence, My Lords and Ladies of Aragon, the men to which we have preached for centuries should be able to read the Holy Bible, to hold to account the greed, arrogance and pride of the men of God and to help man in his quest, given to him by the Lord in the earliest days of this world, to find the Lord, in which, we the Pastors, the shepherds, should stand by our flock, rather than forcing them forward, for we cannot truly find the Lord for others, most certainly when our greed, arrogance and pride have blinded us.

Adriano Juan Cardinal de Valencia

The Alhambra Decree: No
Extraordinary Court: Yes
De Heretico Comburendo Act: No
Advancement of Religion Act: No

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((I am assuming that the Saint Peter's Basilica's contruction started earlier than the real time, since it, and the Indulgences, which were used to pay for the construction, where a large drive for the Reformation, furthermore, if the text seem a bit discontected, it probably is, I am quoting a few things three quarters of you shouldn't and probably don't know))

 

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De Vascona bangs his head on his desk in Rome after hearing of de Valencia's betrayal.

Despicable! And this man calls himself a cardinal...what fiend have I been working with for the past few years?


((I think it's way too early to assume Saint Peter's is being built but I am assuming they are beginning to plan it and collect money for it as I alluded to in an earlier post.))
 

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It would seem that even the Church is divided over such religious issues. Out off all three of the religious acts, only the De Heretico Comburendo Act seems to have the majority support of the court. I personally am not concerned with what language the bible must be written in, but if most people believe it should remain in Latin then who am I to dispute that. Thus the De Heretico Comburendo Act passes. The Advancement of Religion Act was not as favoured, most likely because it restricted people from reading the holy bible. Also, with the bible now required to be only in Latin, I doubt most peasants or servants will even be able to read it, so there is no point in passing this law. As for the Alhambra Decree, I fear that it may do more harm than good, and most of you agree. The Jewish community has contributed greatly to our kingdom. Perhaps instead of expelling them, the Church in Aragon should focus on conversion efforts. For now, they shall remain in Aragon and contribute to the kingdom's prosperity. As for the Extraordinary Courts, they shall be established immediately. Perhaps now would be a good time to elaborate on them. They shall only deal with major crimes, such as murder or treason, or ones that affect multiple counties. All local issues shall still be decided by counts and the local judicial system. As stated, this court serves at my discretion and consists of the Council. They shall reside over all court cases in my stead, but I may intervene and overrule them at any time. I hope that clears things up for everyone.

- His Majesty, Ferran II de Trastámara, King of Aragon and Naples, and Protector of the Greeks

((The Alhambra Decree: Failed (10/25/5)
Extraordinary Court: Passed (27/11/2)
De Heretico Comburendo Act: Passed (25/13/2)
Advancement of Religion Act: Failed (15/20/5)

Since the Alhambra Decree failed, we get a free +10 prestige as part of the event. :)))
 

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((Are you really sure you want him educated by Manuel? If so how will the boy react to the casual corruption and such?))

((It's gotta be a man of church, and since you're the friendliest towards Stefano, it should be obvious that I'm sure :p))

Count Von Thun,
May I recommend the royal academy of Tarragona where I was educated. It provided a deep study of all major topics such as geography, finance, politic, and many more subJects while also providing basic military training if desired. Attached to the academy is the Chapel seminary which offers education of more holy subjects. I would be honored to present letters of recommendation and to host Carlo at the Palazzo D'Este in Tarragona.

Dear Viceroy

Thanks for showing so much attention towards my son's education. I shall consider sending him to the Royal Academy as soon as he's old enough to go there.
It's good to know that it's not just rudeness ruling at the court. You shall always be welcome at our table should you ever consider coming to Zaragoza.

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Your Grace Ferran II de Trastámara,
I see that you have an empty spot on your council, more specifically the position of Representative to Byzantium. I would like to take over this role, as I know a decent amount of Greek and have visited Constantinople multiple times during my youth, so I know the ins and outs of the city.

- Jean Charles de Fidelle
 

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Your Grace Ferran II de Trastámara,
I see that you have an empty spot on your council, more specifically the position of Representative to Byzantium. I would like to take over this role, as I know a decent amount of Greek and have visited Constantinople multiple times during my youth, so I know the ins and outs of the city.

- Jean Charles de Fidelle

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Very well, you may serve as the Representative to Byzantium. Ensure that cooperation continues between our two people, for I truly wish for their empire to flourish under our protection.

- His Majesty, Ferran II de Trastámara, King of Aragon and Naples, and Protector of the Greeks
 

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I fear that the defeat of the Alhambra Decree and the Advancement of Religion Act will spell the doom of the Inquisition and a holy Aragon. The Church, guided by the Holy Ghost, can continue to improve Aragon but the dream of the Inquisition cannot be completed without expelling the heretics and heathens from the realm. Furthermore, we may not be able to complete the mending of the Great Schism as the Orthodox holdouts will be encouraged by the dissension within Aragonian Catholicism.

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'Looks like defeat for the zealots' Luigi mumbled to himself. 'Maybe the eyes of the others are finally opening...' He was indisposed at court, and would be for some more time, most probably not back before his death, but his duties in Greece were more important. His naive romantic of a son would need to be dragged to court, what he wouldn't be able to achieve... But at least the decisions of the court were not too bad. Before he left again, perhaps for the last time, he had a proposal to make to the new Representative to Byzantium. He kept it short.

-to Jean Charles de Fidelle-

I have heard that you have been appointed as new Representative to Byzantium. An important task, certainly. As I am present in Greece, I have experienced a rebellious situation in the last years, since we helped them grow strong. They still resent the position as vassal in all but name of Aragon. And at the same time, it is this protection that keeps them safe from rebels. It can't go on that way forever. I propose to alleviate the dues they have to pay, and instead encourage them to form a bigger army. Against our enemies more Greeks to support us will be useful, and this autonomy shall quench the spirit of revolt. ((Make Byzantium a march)). Of course, the treasury would need to approve that plan. I tire of Greek peasants as opponents.
Respectfully,
General Luigi Castelozzi, Count of Palermo

((Yes, retire him next time. Won't be able to do much for some more time.))
 

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'Looks like defeat for the zealots' Luigi mumbled to himself. 'Maybe the eyes of the others are finally opening...' He was indisposed at court, and would be for some more time, most probably not back before his death, but his duties in Greece were more important. His naive romantic of a son would need to be dragged to court, what he wouldn't be able to achieve... But at least the decisions of the court were not too bad. Before he left again, perhaps for the last time, he had a proposal to make to the new Representative to Byzantium. He kept it short.

-to Jean Charles de Fidelle-

I have heard that you have been appointed as new Representative to Byzantium. An important task, certainly. As I am present in Greece, I have experienced a rebellious situation in the last years, since we helped them grow strong. They still resent the position as vassal in all but name of Aragon. And at the same time, it is this protection that keeps them safe from rebels. It can't go on that way forever. I propose to alleviate the dues they have to pay, and instead encourage them to form a bigger army. Against our enemies more Greeks to support us will be useful, and this autonomy shall quench the spirit of revolt. ((Make Byzantium a march)). Of course, the treasury would need to approve that plan. I tire of Greek peasants as opponents.
Respectfully,
General Luigi Castelozzi, Count of Palermo

((Yes, retire him next time. Won't be able to do much for some more time.))

((So retire him after the next update as a general?))

((Sorry it's been so long since I've been able to participate. I really have not been able to make it to the computer. I would have hoped that I would be able to continue but I simply cannot at the moment. I'll have to resign from the AAR and watch from the side. Sorry once again!))

((I'm sorry to hear that. It was fun having you along for a time though. :)))
 

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to Cardinal de Vascona at court

Your eminence, do not lose too much heart at this setback; our work to further entwine the church and state must continue. With God's grace the light of Christ shall prevail.

Leaving court, Manuel muttered. "Poor man, with a little moral flexibility he'd have ascended the throne of St. Peter by now."
Càrlo von Thun, who had become Manuel's near permanent shadow at court, heard. "My Lord Bishop?"
"If there is a sin that righteousness cannot erase, should you fall into sin to erase it?"
Càrlo considered for a few minutes. "Either way sin remains, so its better not to sin, yes?"
"Perhaps, but as priests we have a duty to protect the souls of our flock, and a man who seeks to be Pope would have the biggest flock of all. A leader must be prepared to make sacrifices. He must also set an example."
"So... you are saying the cardinal should sin?"
Maneul smiled. "That is for you to work out."
 

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-to Jean Charles de Fidelle-

I have heard that you have been appointed as new Representative to Byzantium. An important task, certainly. As I am present in Greece, I have experienced a rebellious situation in the last years, since we helped them grow strong. They still resent the position as vassal in all but name of Aragon. And at the same time, it is this protection that keeps them safe from rebels. It can't go on that way forever. I propose to alleviate the dues they have to pay, and instead encourage them to form a bigger army. Against our enemies more Greeks to support us will be useful, and this autonomy shall quench the spirit of revolt. ((Make Byzantium a march)). Of course, the treasury would need to approve that plan. I tire of Greek peasants as opponents.
Respectfully,
General Luigi Castelozzi, Count of Palermo

I agree with you, General Castelozzi. We must quench the many revolts occuring in Byzantium, and we must encourage the Greeks to build a bigger standing army.

- Jean Charles de Fidelle, Representative to Byzantium
 

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((So retire him after the next update as a general?))

((Not yet, but for good when the game has enough of him this time:rolleyes:.))

Castelozzi slowly prepared his retirement. 'It is good to see that my opinion is valued. But soon enough I'll be too old for that.' The next opponent on the battlefield would only see an experienced foe though.