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"Your Imperial Majesty,

The concerns You have raised are only further proofs that our system needs reform. The first problem are the honourary titles for ministers, a fact that both my proposed act as well as MA Arceo's act would end. Right now, the ministers might be part of the Assembly, but without coming from its midst, without representing any of the people's interests. How can one say that they are true assembly members? No, they shall either receive no seat at all in the parliament, or be part of the appointed members of the Cortz. This is the only way to insure that the Assembly takes part in the government, and not the government in the Assembly, as things currently are. This might have to be another amendment:


As for the office of Second Minister, it would need reform as well, as Your Highness is right that the Act would be counterproductive as of now. The office needs a different purpose, one that better reflects Hispania's Parliament's bicameral system. Here would be my modifications ensuring that the Lead Ministry Act achieves its goal:


These reforms are necessary for the Assembly to function properly. Or we members of the Assembly must continue to tell our electors that their vote has no influence on Imperial politics whatsoever."

JpsioAG.png

Indeed, some reform is needed, and I expected such when the system was created. I do have a concern though with the revised Lead Minister Act. What is to happen to the Chamberlain? It suggests the Chamberlain will no longer be head of the Cortz, seeing as either the Prime Minister or Second Minister will fill that role, but it neglects to mention the fate of this role. Seeing as it does not call for the position's abolition, it is assumed that it will still exist, which in turn means we'll have two representatives of the Cortz. If the Chamberlain is no longer going to serve as the head of the Cortz, I'd recommend it be clarified whether the position will continue to exist in a new capacity or be replaced entirely.

- His Imperial Highness, Alfons IX de Trastámara, Emperor of Hispania, Caesar of Rome, & Protector of the Greeks
 

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Indeed, some reform is needed, and I expected such when the system was created. I do have a concern though with the revised Lead Minister Act. What is to happen to the Chamberlain? It suggests the Chamberlain will no longer be head of the Cortz, seeing as either the Prime Minister or Second Minister will fill that role, but it neglects to mention the fate of this role. Seeing as it does not call for the position's abolition, it is assumed that it will still exist, which in turn means we'll have two representatives of the Cortz. If the Chamberlain is no longer going to serve as the head of the Cortz, I'd recommend it be clarified whether the position will continue to exist in a new capacity or be replaced entirely.

- His Imperial Highness, Alfons IX de Trastámara, Emperor of Hispania, Caesar of Rome, & Protector of the Greeks


Your Imperial Majesty,

I thank You for listening to the issues of Your Assembly. A glorious day when Your government decides, or has to, do the same. The office of Chamberlain has been one of the nobility for the nobility. As such, I would encourage the nobles to decide of their representative's fate. While I do believe it is antiquated, the nobles need their traditions, even more as they surrender their feudal rights upon entering the Cortz. He can assume some role within their chamber; they could also decide that the Chamberlain is the head of their house should the Cortz happen to have the Second Minister; it would be an early vote who assumes this position. I would leave it up to the members of this house to decide if they reserve a function for the Chamberlain, but my proposal would leave no governmental duties for this office.
 

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ADMINISTRATION ACT, 1768
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I. The Prime Ministry is hereby abolished, with all duties being assumed into the direct management of His Majesty, the Emperor of Hispania, including the authority to make appointments to whichever Cabinet positions he sees necessary to the proper administration of the Empire.

II. During any occasion in which the Emperor is not capable of acting as the chief administrator of the government, such authorities shall pass to the Chamberlain.
 

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((On to the vote. Quite a few reforms to consider, as well as the war between France and Austria. I also want to clarify we're voting on the revised Lead Ministry Act, so don't confuse it with the original shorter one if you see it.

Assembly Ministry Act: Yes/No/Abstain
Lead Ministry Act: Yes/No/Abstain
Religious Offices Act: Yes/No/Abstain
Administration Act: Yes/No/Abstain
2nd Amendment to the Parliament Act: Yes/No/Abstain
3rd Amendment to the Parliament Act: Yes/No/Abstain
Franco-Austrian War: France/Austria/Neither/Abstain

House ((OOC)): Cortz (Member)/Cortz (Feudal)/Assembly (Elected)/Assembly (Appointed)/None

Players should bold their votes and include their character's name and class. Seeing as some of these laws may shuffle the membership of the Assembly and Cortz, I believe it is time for me to keep better track of who is voting where, so I've included an additional OOC vote. I need all players to state whether they are members of the Cortz or Assembly. It should be noted that in some cases people won't be members of either house, and you won't be penalized for it either. If you are not a member of either house, it is assumed you vote through other NPC members, so it is not necessary that you be part of either house. If you are a landed noble, I need to know whether you accepted the offer to join the Cortz or instead refused membership and retained your feudal rights. If you received a seat in the Assembly by being a minister but are otherwise not an elected member, state that you aren't part of that house. If you were an Imperial during the civil war and aren't a member of the Cortz, you may state that you are an appointed member of the Assembly if you'd prefer not to be an elected one, seeing as the Emperor appointed most members of the court to the Assembly, otherwise state that you aren't a member of either house. I'll be using this information to better keep track of who should be voting in each house. Players must state which house they are in or I won't count their votes.))
 

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Leon votes No to all laws.

Franco-Austrian War: France

House: Cortz (Member)

((Edit: changed House status to Cortz member))
 
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House: Cortz (Feudal) ((I think))

((Well if you're unsure, retaining your feudal rights means you don't have a seat on the Cortz, so your position as Minister of War would take precedence so you'd be an honorary member of the Assembly instead. It's good I started this vote since I've been including you in the wrong house then. :p))
 

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"Countrymen,

"The Empress Dowager and her ilk have revealed their true colors: that they have no loyalty to His Majesty, the Emperor of Hispania, and would prefer, instead, to maintain they weak, pathetic grip on power through the unjust office of the Prime Despot. They state in one breath that they are "royalists," yet when the time comes to give His Majesty the power to administer this nation properly, they reject the motion. Who, I must ask, then is the patriot and royalist? Is it the traitors who reject His Majesty?

"Similarly, the leader of the 'liberals' has shown himself to be just as much a traitor to the cause of liberty. He would sooner see the vote completely abolished and the elected members of the Assembly reduced to a pile of ash than hold true to his beliefs. He cares not about the people, nor their voice, but instead only about himself and his personal gains. He would sooner see this nation and its people crucified in the name of his personal political conquests than hold any commitment to liberalism - and in this has betrayed not only this nation, but the very people who support him.

"I know I have made many foes among those of more pleasant dispositions than I, but I must do all I can to urge those who have not yet voted to cast in favor of the numerous resolutions laid out before them, for it is the path which will strengthen liberty, return power to the Crown, and remove the corrupt from positions of power. A royalist is no royalist she does not support the Emperor, and a liberal is no liberal if he does not support the people.

"I yield any further time to which I am warranted."


Cibran Arceo,
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. . .
Assembly Ministry Act: Yes
Lead Ministry Act: Yes
Religious Offices Act: Yes
Administration Act: Yes
2nd Amendment to the Parliament Act: Yes
3rd Amendment to the Parliament Act: Yes
Franco-Austrian War: Neither

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((Well if you're unsure, retaining your feudal rights means you don't have a seat on the Cortz, so your position as Minister of War would take precedence so you'd be an honorary member of the Assembly instead. It's good I started this vote since I've been including you in the wrong house then. :p))
((Oh, then I'm a member then.))
 

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((Apparently some confusion arose about the House OOC vote. I want players to state what house they'd be in under normal circumstances. So, as hirahammad has done, while he is a minister and technically in the Assembly, he would normally not be in either house if not a minister. The honorary seats, as I stated before, should not be considered, but an elected or appointed one should.

If you received a seat in the Assembly by being a minister but are otherwise not an elected member, state that you aren't part of that house. If you were an Imperial during the civil war and aren't a member of the Cortz, you may state that you are an appointed member of the Assembly if you'd prefer not to be an elected one, seeing as the Emperor appointed most members of the court to the Assembly, otherwise state that you aren't a member of either house.
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There is a chance at the moment for a catastrophe of the highest order. A European war... between the lands of Valois and Hapsburg. For the sake of peace, I ask you to agree to a compromise. I have made a rudimentary attempt at this, and I wish for your feedback, so that war may be averted again.

The Chancellor of Hispania

1. The Head of the House of Valois, shall hereby be recognized as the Duke of Alsace, and enjoy all rights that comes with being a Prince of the Sovereign Empire of the Rome in the German nation. ((Personal Union))

1a. The Duchy of Alsace shall be ruled under the laws of the sovereign Holy Roman Empire, and not of that of the French Empire.

2. The current Duke of Alsace shall agree to relinquish his claims to his duchy, in exchange for lands, a title, and a pension, within the Empire, and enjoy all rights that may come as a vassal of the Emperor.

3. In gratitude to the Emperor of the Romans, the French Emperor shall divide all coin gained from his realm between the state of France, and the ruler of the Austrian state.
 

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There is a chance at the moment for a catastrophe of the highest order. A European war... between the lands of Valois and Hapsburg. For the sake of peace, I ask you to agree to a compromise. I have made a rudimentary attempt at this, and I wish for your feedback, so that war may be averted again.

The Chancellor of Hispania

1. The Head of the House of Valois, shall hereby be recognized as the Duke of Alsace, and enjoy all rights that comes with being a Prince of the Sovereign Empire of the Rome in the German nation. ((Personal Union))

1a. The Duchy of Alsace shall be ruled under the laws of the sovereign Holy Roman Empire, and not of that of the French Empire.

2. The current Duke of Alsace shall agree to relinquish his claims to his duchy, in exchange for lands, a title, and a pension, within the Empire, and enjoy all rights that may come as a vassal of the Emperor.

3. In gratitude to the Emperor of the Romans, the French Emperor shall divide all coin gained from his realm between the state of France, and the ruler of the Austrian state.

Neither side bothers to respond, being so committed to utterly crushing their friend-turned-enemy. With no one in France or Austria wanting peace, a compromise is near impossible.
 

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Emiliano rose up, and turned away from the majority of the Parliament as he began to speak, facing the nearest wall.
"I am certainly not the only one who realizes the sad reality that when the Assembly speaks, nobody listens but the men of the Assembly. The ministers, who sit among us? They couldn't care less, and they are proving it. The Cortz - need not to lower themselves to the level of us noisy rabble. Do we want to continue like that? True Assembly members certainly won't, which is why we proposed these acts. I would like to be able to say 'no other part of the government', but as Assembly, we are hardly part of His Imperial Majesty's government now."

He turned around, spread his arms.
"Just look beyond our borders. Constitutionalism has risen, and spread across Europe. Few are those who still dismiss these ideals of the state. And Hispania? Had fought a civil war. The same people who now vote against the reforms were in power back then. They made concessions so that it wouldn't happen again, to modernize the Hispanian state. Yet who keeps the absolute power over the realm? These same men, led by the Prime Despot. They have no interests to follow the path of reform that has been taken after the return of peace. Whatever reason the people would have to be unhappy was dealt with - go on as before."

His fist went down, as his voice grew louder.
"No! We cannot allow it! The initial enthusiasm over the reforms that allowed these underhanded practices to continue has dissipated. The Assembly raises its voice, louder and louder, to gain real rights. The farce cannot be allowed to continue that way. Nosce te ipsum, know yourself, is what I have been taught, and learnt to be important. And the Assembly has done this. It knows, and is not satisfied. Angry, even. And what are its options now? Give in to its fate, and continue a shadow existence - we will resist. Change this fate - change is what we need and demand. Or then, disband - for what is the purpose of sitting somewhere without any reason?"

Faixòn's eyes wandered the hall, asking everyone present this question.
"Therefore, I implore all present to oppose this enslavement of the Assembly. And even the slavers should see that a slave who doesn't do anything else but yelling is worse than no slave at all, and that this person tries to gain his freedom."

((Assembly Ministry Act: Yes
Lead Ministry Act: Yes
Religious Offices Act: Yes
Administration Act: No
2nd Amendment to the Parliament Act: Yes
3rd Amendment to the Parliament Act: Yes
Franco-Austrian War: Abstain


(Are the Administration Act and Lead Ministry Act not incompatible with each other?)
[Assembly (Elected)]))
 

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All parliament related laws up to vote: Abstain
Franco-Austrian War: France

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