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Your Majesty,

As Viceroy of Naples, I would like to suggest that Neapolitan soldiers be directed to defend Naples in times of war, lack of occupation due to the garrisoned soldiers would prevent unrest against being ruled by a king seen as foreign.((OOC:Set Naples to act defensively so it isn't just a war leak. Please mention however if the Neapolitan troops were helping keep numbers up during the war.))

I also suggest as a general directive that you allow your Italian subjects the chance to serve with distinction in the army. (( OOC: If possible recruit one or two regiments from Sicily or Sardinia))

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Your Grace,
May I suggest hiring a diplomatic individual to assist you? Someone with a naval background may be of use if war with the Turk is on the horizon.
In regards to the Granada proposition, I do not believe this is a good idea. To be seen as protecting the heathens would do immeasurable damage to our reputation throughout Christendom and would tie up our diplomats dealing with the fallout. This at a time when they are already fully engaged. On top of this I have my reservations on it's effectiveness - I do not believe it will deter the Castillans much.

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Name: Ramiro Vicario
Date of birth: 1400
Class: Clergy
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Bio: Ramiro was born at the turn of the century to Trinidad Vicario and his castilian wife Lucia Vicario. Trinidad Vicario was a well cleric in barcelona and Ramiro was his only son he died shortly after Ramiro's birth. Ramiro was a very pious man and was always willing to help others. once he was of age he decided to leave barcelona and spread the word of christianity across eastern europe and africa. he returned to barcelona in 1430 having seen the world and all it has stating that he could convince no one he decided to continue working in the church and was hopeful that someday he may become a bishop a dream his mother said his father always had.
((btw I was trying to request to be bishop of barcelona))
 
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My grace,

Your predecessor was obviously thinking ahead of time. While allying the venetians might have seemed foolish at that time, I now see it was a wise choice.
In regards to Granada. While I express distaste for protecting a heathen nation, I must admit that it would serve our interests. It is only a matter of time before Granada falls to the true christian armies. But will it be Castile or Aragon who place their flag on heathen soil? As of now, it may very well be Castile, and that I cannot stand for. So I am for your propositions.

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General Felipé de Alvaro
 

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If the Castillians conquer Granada then so be it. A Mohammedan nation on Iberian soil is an affront to God and it matters not who smites the beast.

I believe we should destroy the Tunisian sultanate, if possible, and spread the light ofthe mother church to Africa. If so then it is prudent to maintain our alliance with Venice in the event that the Caliphate interferes.

It should go without saying that I support the improvement of relations with the Holy See. I would gladly welcome a court diplomat to aid me in this task.

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My King

While it is to be foreseen that the Castillians will surely attack the Granadians in the near future, do not forget that - in the case of us guaranteeing them - we can't call in our allies to aid us. Well, we could if the Castillians would see us a co-belligerent, but I strongly doubt that. And while our recent war with the Castillians ended in a white peace, it was obvious that our archnemesis just has more men than us. Thus, I would recommend not to guarantee the Sultanate.

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Your majesty,

As we already have invested such effort towards the venetians it would be a great slight to them if we're we're to retract our advantageous aid, and likewise they could offer great support in order to maintain our foregin holdings of Sardinia and Sicily.

Furthermore, though me and the Cardinal de Vascona may not always see eye to eye, I will wholeheartedly support his belief to vanquish the opposing faith from our shores, and thus allowing us to focus our future efforts on other locations, such as the northern shores of Africa.
 

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To Cardinal de vascona

I understand your grace, but our religion is diversifying as it progresses into this era. Even if the holy father sites on his throne of gold, sharing his love to all who follow the path of the lord, there are those who interprete the mouth of the prophet and his followers as different, and yet you believe to the same religion? Tis man doomed to insure religious strife, or should we not seek to offer a unity within our christian faith? As our most righteous book says "love thy neighbour "

(offers the amendment to accept orthodoxy as exempt from the sweep of the law, and thus is not subject to forceful conversion, as it is a true form of the true faith)
 

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I would support the amendment proposed by Count de Soneta. This is a trying time for our Greek brothers in christ, suffering under the yolk of heathen mahommetans. We can surely offer them the gift of charity as a sign of solidarity? Not to mention if war with their oppressors is a possibility, acquiring and fostering contacts amongst them would be no bad thing...

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My King

While it is to be foreseen that the Castillians will surely attack the Granadians in the near future, do not forget that - in the case of us guaranteeing them - we can't call in our allies to aid us. Well, we could if the Castillians would see us a co-belligerent, but I strongly doubt that. And while our recent war with the Castillians ended in a white peace, it was obvious that our archnemesis just has more men than us. Thus, I would recommend not to guarantee the Sultanate.

Your loyal subject
Joseph von Thun
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Your appointment as a diplomat by our brother was clearly not a mistake. We had been too concerned with attempting to curtail Castile's expansion that we did not consider the implications for our own kingdom. Even though France was not as much help as we would have liked, Aragon would have been in a much worse circumstances without them. We will reconsider this policy.

- His Majesty, Joan II de Trastámara, King of Aragon, Naples, and Navarra

@Andre Massena

To Cardinal de vascona

I understand your grace, but our religion is diversifying as it progresses into this era. Even if the holy father sites on his throne of gold, sharing his love to all who follow the path of the lord, there are those who interprete the mouth of the prophet and his followers as different, and yet you believe to the same religion? Tis man doomed to insure religious strife, or should we not seek to offer a unity within our christian faith? As our most righteous book says "love thy neighbour "

(offers the amendment to accept orthodoxy as exempt from the sweep of the law, and thus is not subject to forceful conversion, as it is a true form of the true faith)

((Are you talking about the equal status petition? If you want to pass that, you have to pass the other four petitions that go before it.))
 

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((I believe he is referring to

The Shield of Saint Peter Act

I. A registry of all non-Catholics in the Kingdom of Aragon shall be jointly maintained by the Catholic Church in Aragon and the crown.
II. All non-Catholics shall be subject to a five percent tax on either their rents or income whose proceeds shall be split between the Catholic Church and crown.
III. Individuals who turn away from their misguided religions and convert to the true faith shall be awarded a one time reward from the royal treasury.
IV. Any provinces that fall victim to the scourge of heresy shall be immediately returned to the bosom of the holy Church.
((convert any non-Catholic provinces to Catholic as soon as possible))
))
 

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((I believe he is referring to

The Shield of Saint Peter Act

I. A registry of all non-Catholics in the Kingdom of Aragon shall be jointly maintained by the Catholic Church in Aragon and the crown.
II. All non-Catholics shall be subject to a five percent tax on either their rents or income whose proceeds shall be split between the Catholic Church and crown.
III. Individuals who turn away from their misguided religions and convert to the true faith shall be awarded a one time reward from the royal treasury.
IV. Any provinces that fall victim to the scourge of heresy shall be immediately returned to the bosom of the holy Church.
((convert any non-Catholic provinces to Catholic as soon as possible))

))

((Ah, I see. Well the amendment would have to be to make it so that Orthodox provinces aren't automatically converted, although the Court Chaplain could still order their conversion as part of their plan.))
 

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@Andre Massena

To Cardinal de vascona

I understand your grace, but our religion is diversifying as it progresses into this era. Even if the holy father sites on his throne of gold, sharing his love to all who follow the path of the lord, there are those who interprete the mouth of the prophet and his followers as different, and yet you believe to the same religion? Tis man doomed to insure religious strife, or should we not seek to offer a unity within our christian faith? As our most righteous book says "love thy neighbour "

(offers the amendment to accept orthodoxy as exempt from the sweep of the law, and thus is not subject to forceful conversion, as it is a true form of the true faith)

I would support the amendment proposed by Count de Soneta. This is a trying time for our Greek brothers in christ, suffering under the yolk of heathen mahommetans. We can surely offer them the gift of charity as a sign of solidarity? Not to mention if war with their oppressors is a possibility, acquiring and fostering contacts amongst them would be no bad thing...

Bishop Sastre

Brothers,

If the Greek patriarch recognizes the rightful authority and hegemony of the Bishop of Saint Peter then all Eastern Christians can be accepted into the bosom of the Church. If not, then they should be shown the error of their ways.

-Cardinal de Vascona
 

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I was referring to the directed act (shield of St Peter), yes. (thanks Keinwyn)

But as I was not the one to put forward the act my king,(Edit from here to paragraph end)and the word of the father hath spoken, it is up to you my king, should we attempt to subjugate the "romans" to bend their knee towards Rome,and not their seat? I'll leave this to you for now (if we were to attempt something like this, ow could we play it out though?)

I hope this is accepted and may the lord shine favorably on your majesty.

Sincerely Mattias de Soneto, First Count of Pirineo.
 
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Brothers,

If the Greek patriarch recognizes the rightful authority and hegemony of the Bishop of Saint Peter then all Eastern Christians can be accepted into the bosom of the Church. If not, then they should be shown the error of their ways.

-Cardinal de Vascona

May I remind your eminence of Laetentur Caeli: Bulla Unionis Graecorum. The Greek Patriarch, Gregory, fully supports the union of the churches, the Council of Florence and resulting papal bull.
Naturally, in the event of acquiring any town or place that should be reluctant in their adherence to the One True Catholic Church, missions should be established to guide the people of such a place in their faith.

I would reiterate the benefits of making friends and connections amongst the populace of Greece, and thus treading softly would be beneficial to the crown in this matter.

Bishop Sastre
 

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I was referring to the directed act (shield of St Peter), yes. (thanks Keinwyn)

But as I was not the one to put forward the act my king,(Edit from here to paragraph end)and the word of the father hath spoken, it is up to you my king, should we attempt to subjugate the "romans" to bend their knee towards Rome,and not their seat? I'll leave this to you for now (if we were to attempt something like this, ow could we play it out though?)

I hope this is accepted and may the lord shine favorably on your majesty.

Sincerely Mattias de Soneto, First Count of Pirineo.

May I remind your eminence of Laetentur Caeli: Bulla Unionis Graecorum. The Greek Patriarch, Gregory, fully supports the union of the churches, the Council of Florence and resulting papal bull.
Naturally, in the event of acquiring any town or place that should be reluctant in their adherence to the One True Catholic Church, missions should be established to guide the people of such a place in their faith.

I would reiterate the benefits of making friends and connections amongst the populace of Greece, and thus treading softly would be beneficial to the crown in this matter.

Bishop Sastre

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An interesting idea, seeking out friendship with the Orthodox Greeks. Would not the Lord look more favourably upon us if we were able to bring these Orthodox Christians, under the leadership of the Byzantines, into the arms of the holy Church? It is one that requires more thinking. As part of our foreign policy, we will consider bringing the Byzantines under our protection to show them the ways of the true faith. ((We'd vassalize them and force them to convert, although this plan is not guaranteed. It's more of a side policy to pursue))

We have also reconsidered our proposal on guaranteeing Granada and have decided to remove it from the chancellorship plan. While we do not wish for Castile to expand any further, we are not in a position to put the kingdom at risk for some heathens.

- His Majesty, Joan II de Trastámara, King of Aragon, Naples, and Navarra
 

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An interesting idea, seeking out friendship with the Orthodox Greeks. Would not the Lord look more favourably upon us if we were able to bring these Orthodox Christians, under the leadership of the Byzantines, into the arms of the holy Church? It is one that requires more thinking. As part of our foreign policy, we will consider bringing the Byzantines under our protection to show them the ways of the true faith. ((We'd vassalize them and force them to convert, although this plan is not guaranteed. It's more of a side policy to pursue))

We have also reconsidered our proposal on guaranteeing Granada and have decided to remove it from the chancellorship plan. While we do not wish for Castile to expand any further, we are not in a position to put the kingdom at risk for some heathens.

- His Majesty, Joan II de Trastámara, King of Aragon, Naples, and Navarra

Ioannes ears perk up from the idea of a Byzantine intervention. He points out that the Duchy of Athens (independent) has already embraced the true faith under the leadership the new Duke. With a rightful claim on the holding as the son of the old Duke, Ioannes states that he could take the Duchy back by force and use it as a foothold to beat back the Ottoman turks in due time as well as bring the Greeks back under the authority of Rome and a mend to the schism.

((Basically since in my character's story he was groomed for leadership of the Duchy of Athens, it would only make sense that he represents the Kingdom of Aragon in the Greek intervention. More of an RP thing, but I think it would be cool to give a stronger RP reason to intervene there.))
 

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((I realize it may be somewhat late, and also that I have virtually no experience in EUIV IAARs (though rather a lot in Civ V ones), but would it be possible for me to join? More specifically, could I create a character to fill one of the 'empty' merchant slots, or would those be reserved for more experienced players?))

((Anyone is free to join. :) You can also create a merchant character and ask for the official in-game position. There's no work involved, you just get put in the game and receive an extra vote. It's more for flavour.))

Ioannes ears perk up from the idea of a Byzantine intervention. He points out that the Duchy of Athens (independent) has already embraced the true faith under the leadership the new Duke. With a rightful claim on the holding as the son of the old Duke, Ioannes states that he could take the Duchy back by force and use it as a foothold to beat back the Ottoman turks in due time as well as bring the Greeks back under the authority of Rome and a mend to the schism.

((Basically since in my character's story he was groomed for leadership of the Duchy of Athens, it would only make sense that he represents the Kingdom of Aragon in the Greek intervention. More of an RP thing, but I think it would be cool to give a stronger RP reason to intervene there.))

((Good idea. If we try to find a way into Greece, we can use your character as an explanation. :)))