Empire of Francia creation conditions

[Matthias_Wlkp]

I started a new game as Duke of Burgundy. I steadily grow in power, I become a King of France and after getting two claims - one for Brittany and one for Provance I finally get to 80% of de jure Francia. And what? Can't create...

I googled forums that I have to have one kingdom OUTSIDE Francia to create it... (NOT France, NOT Aquitaine, NOT Burgundy, NOT Bretagne)

This looks like a silly thing from the past when France was overpowered, or am I missing something?

 

[fatedkoga]

I started a new game as Duke of Burgundy. I steadily grow in power, I become a King of France and after getting two claims - one for Brittany and one for Provance I finally get to 80% of de jure Francia. And what? Can't create...

I googled forums that I have to have one kingdom OUTSIDE Francia to create it... (NOT France, NOT Aquitaine, NOT Burgundy, NOT Bretagne)

This looks like a silly thing from the past when France was overpowered, or am I missing something?

Although Francia has the de jure land of modern France+Belgium, it more represents the historic Frankish Empire that covered most of France, Germany, and Northern Italy. It was probably reduced in size for game balance and to add more empires.

 

[icedt729]

Yeah this was essentially a direct nerf to the kingdom of France. It dates back to the earliest days of the "every kingdom in an empire" system.

 

[RagingJaws]

No blue blob in CKII!

Francia was easy for the Capets, or whoever kicked them off the throne, to form. A reaaaally long time ago. The extra creation conditions were added for that reason.

 

[balmung60]

I think it's because, in 1066, hitting 80% + 2 kingdoms is trivial for the king of France, so you'd regularly have Francia popping up to oppose the HRE.

 

[Matthias_Wlkp]

I can't see that being trivial... Even with 100% of France, Aquitaine and Brittany you are missing a couple of provinces to 80% and you HAVE TO snatch them from HRE.

Unless the tactic here was to wait until k_burgundy drifts completely to HRE, then yes, it's trivial...

 

[Wonyenners]

So, if I held over 80% of Francia and was able to create, say, the Kingdom of Aragon would I then be able to create the Empire of Francia or would I have to destroy all French Kingdom titles as well?

 

[Finnishviking]

I can't see that being trivial... Even with 100% of France, Aquitaine and Brittany you are missing a couple of provinces to 80% and you HAVE TO snatch them from HRE.

Unless the tactic here was to wait until k_burgundy drifts completely to HRE, then yes, it's trivial...

Back when revolts used to be fractured this was quite an easy thing to accomplish even for the AI, but these days it is indeed much harder.

 

[Tom013]

So, if I held over 80% of Francia and was able to create, say, the Kingdom of Aragon would I then be able to create the Empire of Francia or would I have to destroy all French Kingdom titles as well?

No need to destroy anything.

 

[Kapitalisti]

Don't the empires of Italia and Abyssinia have similar restrictions? Like forming Italia requires you to have the kingdoms of Italy and Sicily plus one extra while Abyssinia requires you to have Egypt in addition to Abyssinia (the kingdom) and Nubia.

 

[Shebaloso]

I started a new game as Duke of Burgundy. I steadily grow in power, I become a King of France and after getting two claims - one for Brittany and one for Provance I finally get to 80% of de jure Francia. And what? Can't create...

I googled forums that I have to have one kingdom OUTSIDE Francia to create it... (NOT France, NOT Aquitaine, NOT Burgundy, NOT Bretagne)

This looks like a silly thing from the past when France was overpowered, or am I missing something?

Go for navarra. You only need literally two succesful claim fabrications.

 

[LeSingeAffame]

Don't the empires of Italia and Abyssinia have similar restrictions? Like forming Italia requires you to have the kingdoms of Italy and Sicily plus one extra while Abyssinia requires you to have Egypt in addition to Abyssinia (the kingdom) and Nubia.

Mali also requires you to have Mali + Mauritania + another kingdom I think