Is the change WAD that the Emperor now demans unlawful territory even from allies aswell? Just want to know if I am supposed to live with the change. It's a hard life inside the HRE..
Emperor now demands unlawful territory from allies
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Thanks. It wasn't that clearly stated in the patch notes as far as I can see.. just something about fixing a bug.
Yes, and it wasn't in the patch notes because this is the case since 1.20 I think.
That explains it. Thanks!
I can only find this from 1.24 patch notes:
"Fixed estimation of relative strength of alliances (Fixes Demand Unlawful Territory, Threaten War and various AI strategy issues)"
"Fixed estimation of relative strength of alliances (Fixes Demand Unlawful Territory, Threaten War and various AI strategy issues)"
Hopefully that means that when you are a big bad blob, your vassals will no longer meekly capitulate to the Emperor demanding they return unlawful territory. This should be a different question from matters of whether AI emperors demand that their allies return unlawful territory (which, as noted, they've been doing for several patches now, subject to the caveat about the target of the demand being at war).
Thanks for mentioning this, I wasn't aware of the change. I guess it makes sense. Though I will miss the days when I could play as the Palatinate, ally Austria, and go totally wild... get coalitioned, and watch Austria beat the coalition for me, with 86% war participation score. "Thanks, boss. Couldn't have done it without ya. Now let's keep trolling this empire, and watch me conquer & annex all of Germania."
I dont see why vasalls should not decide in their own to give territory back. If you want full control over them you have to annex them. As vasalls they still control their own lands and internal politics. It also puts a stop on exzessive vasall feeding.
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That's besides the point. When you're a 2.5k development blob to Austria's pitiful 250 with no meaningful allies, and you feed your 250 development vassal, the latter should laugh out loud at the idea of returning unlawful territory to the puny emperor.
The emperor also cannot demand territory if its in a war, so if you see Austria starting a war when you peace out, you're probably in the clear.
Hmm it used to be like that but if I remember correctly that was also changed. Not sure tho.
If you want to controll the lands of your vasalls you have to integrate them. If not the vassall decides if he heeds the command of his rightfull emperor, who technically outranks you, or not.
That's orthogonal.
An independent AI nation would not return land if it had you (a big blob) and your allies (plus other subjects in both cases) at its side.
The issue raised further up is that the same AI as a subject returns territory like they've no allies at all (or used to, if they fixed this in this version).
They return it because they neither have a claim or an interest in that land.
Actually heeding the Emperor despite having strong allies might have more to do with tradition than politics. There are examples of a strong power heeding a decree of a militarily powerless figurehead (the Pope comes to mind during the Middle Ages) historically, so don't shoot it down right away.
If you're a 2.5k blob and austria only has 250, you shouldn't still be a slave to the HRE mechanics. dismantle it already.
Depending on your goals of course, but life within HRE is just fine if you take 1 province every 10-15 years and you make that province count (i.e. develop it up). Within the HRE, I'd rather have 5 provinces with 20 development than 10 provinces with 10 development, especially if you have mostly farmlands or grasslands. Vassalizing weakened members (Pomerania comes to mind) can also be and then feeding back its cores is also a valid strat, without fear of unlawful territory. Or you could just simply get one or two provinces and border somebody not in HRE.
Like the Ottomans, this is what (among other things) made Brandenburg-Prussia so strong - they expanded into non-HRE (in Otto's case non-beylik) lands first.
Like the Ottomans, this is what (among other things) made Brandenburg-Prussia so strong - they expanded into non-HRE (in Otto's case non-beylik) lands first.
