So.. I play Austria, I am emperor but can't upgrade to kingdom or empire. Any way around this upgrade block? I dont want to form the HRE btw.
Emperor can't upgrade to kingdom or empire
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Stack diplomatic reputation as high as you can
(Austria NI+diplomatic+influence+ect) and inherit a elector.
How?
Get the bohemia PU mission, successfully PU them, and have them auto-integrate after 50~ years.
(Inherited is when the pop-up with looks and charm is better that guns and cannons.)
(Austria NI+diplomatic+influence+ect) and inherit a elector.
How?
Get the bohemia PU mission, successfully PU them, and have them auto-integrate after 50~ years.
(Inherited is when the pop-up with looks and charm is better that guns and cannons.)
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There's no way around that. This is one of the annoying things about playing Austria.
If you somehow become an elector you can upgrade to Kingdom, but you can't grant yourself an electorate even if one is available, so you'd have to inherit it which is cumbersome and unlikely.
If you somehow become an elector you can upgrade to Kingdom, but you can't grant yourself an electorate even if one is available, so you'd have to inherit it which is cumbersome and unlikely.
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It is. Your monarch is called 'Emperor' at popup message, and your country gets more benefit than Emperor-rank-government.
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True, but one thing is missing. You lack the 3rd diplomat, however you do get that as the second HRE reform. The other goodies make it all worth it of course.
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I'm fully aware... You completely missed my point, it should be treated like emperor example if Baden becomes the emperor they get bonuses from being a duchy + HRE emperor, but when Bohemia becomes the emperor they get bonuses from being a kingdom + HRE emperor, but they should be treated equally.
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They do get those benefits and more when you pass the reforms.
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They should not be treeted equally, Bohemia was a (only one) Kingdom in the HRE and elector. Baden wasn't.
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In my current game as France, I became emperor when I got a personal union with Austria. In order to join the empire, France had to be reduced to a duchy. This is a fairly extreme example but it is kind of silly to think that France would cease to be a kingdom like that.
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inb4 non-HRE Emperors over 100 dev are simply denied being allowed to join the HRE at all during their term
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They don't get any LA reduction, though.
The benefits of being emperor also stack with the benefits from being a kingdom/empire. So if you are a non-HRE emperor, you get both.
The Kingdom of Arles was also a kingdom that was part of the HRE (the title was permanently given to Charles V of France, in the late 14th century, however, so it doesn't exist in the EU4 time frame).
also: the kingdoms of germany and italy, but those titles were permanently owned by the emperor
this whole idea of not being able to upgrade from duchy when you balloon to the size of all of europe is just silly beyond belief, it hurts my head...
all just for austria's bohemia mission... because 'historically' austria... blah blah, i'm sure you don't want to hear the rest...
let me add this about missions: i sieged down burgundy, lost 20k men... poof, it turns white and is given to austria... i sieged down aragon... poof... war is cancelled and they have PU with castile... missions...
no, they do not get -minus autonomy bonus from being a kingdom for being emperor... also, you are not austria... you can't pass reforms until 200+ years later, after leagues, after sorting the mess out, etc...
those other 'rewards' have nothing to do with being a kingdom or reaching the size of historical kingdoms... they are for all the work you have to do in addition - to sort out the HRE... because it limits your expansion in other ways...
honestly? a kingdom is simply a slice of land made up of many duchies (for simplification)... it should have nothing to do with elector's seats and RMs... after you've 'eaten'/integrated many such 'duchies' all across europe, it's only logical that you become a 'kingdom'...
---- for the record:
- -5% build/development cost nobody uses anyways
- +1 diplomat/diplo rep (cannot pass if you inherit just before leagues, until long after leagues, 200+ years)...
- +0.5 legitmacy/prestige per year, -10% core creation cost
- tax income +20 ducats (at which point in the game, this is less than 5-10% of total income)
---- difference?
- extra diplomat (after 250 years) and -10% core creation cost (reforms).
- versus... extra diplomat (after 100 years) and -0.05/-0.10 reduced autonomy (kingdom/admin/abs monarchy).
rest case.
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If you don't find being Emperor worth the drawback, have you tried not being Emperor?
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Your ruler is Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire but only Archduke of Austria, it's not that odd. Especially given that the HRE title can be passed on to the ruler of an entirely different TAG.
And in EU not all entities start equal, the detailed historical start is one of its selling points. Neither Bohemia, Baden or Austria are the same but they follow the same general rules. Bohemia starts as a kingdom and an elector, other tags need to get electorship first and can then become a kingdom (which is a pretty light rule compared to history).
No country can be both a subject state of the Holy Roman Empire and an empire of its own, if you're big enough you can leave and create your own empire instead.
And in EU not all entities start equal, the detailed historical start is one of its selling points. Neither Bohemia, Baden or Austria are the same but they follow the same general rules. Bohemia starts as a kingdom and an elector, other tags need to get electorship first and can then become a kingdom (which is a pretty light rule compared to history).
No country can be both a subject state of the Holy Roman Empire and an empire of its own, if you're big enough you can leave and create your own empire instead.
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It would be interesting is you could request electorate if you are an ally of the emperor and have very good relations with him, because getting electorate right now is a bit of gambling, sure you can do things to make it more likely but it feels like someone with sufficient influence in the empire should be able to push to become elector, if they are not already an emperor that is.
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