Emirate of Mallorca

[sansa]

Why the emirate of Mallorca exists in the 1066 scenario? Shouldn't be better to use the BALE tag instead of the MALL? The MALL tag has a catholic CoA (the catalan aragonese shield), and the BALE has a CoA that seems muslim. In my opinion you should change this and put an emirate of Balears.

 

[Grosshaus]

Too late to change tags

 

[Olaus Petrus]

Too late to change tags

There are lot of small scenario changes, which will propably be made after 1.05

 

[sansa]

Too late to change tags

BALE tag exists

 

[unmerged(24328)]

Too late to change tags

Why it's too late? It's only visual change It will change nothing in gameplay

MALL tag is only in:
1066_scenario_characters.inc
1066_scenario_countries.inc
1066_scenario_titles.inc


Now if we conquer provs Mallorca and Menorca, we can't create Duchy of Mallorca, because Muslim Mallorca still exist

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Grosshaus means, we have scenario freeze in place for 1.05, so it's too late for it for 1.05 purposes.

 

[LordLeto]

Why it's too late? It's only visual change It will change nothing in gameplay

MALL tag is only in:
1066_scenario_characters.inc
1066_scenario_countries.inc
1066_scenario_titles.inc


Now if we conquer provs Mallorca and Menorca, we can't create Duchy of Mallorca, because Muslim Mallorca still exist

Its not really a problem exclusive to the Mallorcas. Right now I controll all of Persia and the areas for the Duchy of Lut. But I can't create it because the Emirate still exists under the Seljuks(which imigrated into Anetolia). If you want the title either destroy the title holder or take it.

 

[unmerged(24328)]

Its not really a problem exclusive to the Mallorcas. Right now I controll all of Persia and the areas for the Duchy of Lut. But I can't create it because the Emirate still exists under the Seljuks(which imigrated into Anetolia). If you want the title either destroy the title holder or take it.

Yes, it's a really big problem. It's because there's only one tag for Lut And if emirate exist, duchy can't be created. Duchy of Lut should have its own tag, but i think it won't be changed...

Grosshaus means, we have scenario freeze in place for 1.05, so it's too late for it for 1.05 purposes.

New date of release of patch 1.5 is 11th January 2006, so it looks that you "unfreeze" it Maybe this little change can be fixed? (MALL -> BALE)

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Nopes. After 1.5

 

[sansa]

Nopes. After 1.5

You only need to change 1066_scenario_characters.inc, 1066_scenario_countries.inc and 1066_scenario_titles.inc files!

 

[unmerged(21937)]

That is true, but it is a can of worms, if Mallorca is changed, then why not all other small scenario tweaks?

 

[unmerged(6777)]

You only need to change 1066_scenario_characters.inc, 1066_scenario_countries.inc and 1066_scenario_titles.inc files!

Which can easily be done....after 1.05.

Freeze = frozen
Freeze != just make a tiny little change that hardly requires anything be done other than a few files be updated.

This is because the following tends to happen:

begin one_more_little_change
{
	string state
	int counter

	set state to (GetBetaState)

	if ( state != "frozen )
		if ( counter <= (GetNumberOfForumMembers) )
			make_one_tiny_little_change to 1066_scenario_characters.inc
			make_one_tiny_little_change to 1066_scenario_countries.inc
			make_one_tiny_little_change to 1066_scenario_titles.inc
			SubmitRevisedFile 1066_scenario_characters.inc to Johan
			SubmitRevisedFile 1066_scenario_countries.inc to Johan
			SubmitRevisedFile 1066_scenario_titles.inc to Johan
			counter = counter + 1
			return
		else
			TestAllCKFiles
			Release Yet_Another_Beta_For_Testing
			set counter to 0
		endif
	else
		ShowTextbox "Nopes...sorry all files are frozen. No more changes."
	endif

end one_more_little_change
}

 

[Duuk]

Which can easily be done....after 1.05.

Freeze = frozen
Freeze != just make a tiny little change that hardly requires anything be done other than a few files be updated.

This is because the following tends to happen:

begin one_more_little_change
{
	string state
	int counter

	set state to (GetBetaState)

	if ( state != "frozen )
		if ( counter <= (GetNumberOfForumMembers) )
			make_one_tiny_little_change to 1066_scenario_characters.inc
			make_one_tiny_little_change to 1066_scenario_countries.inc
			make_one_tiny_little_change to 1066_scenario_titles.inc
			SubmitRevisedFile 1066_scenario_characters.inc to Johan
			SubmitRevisedFile 1066_scenario_countries.inc to Johan
			SubmitRevisedFile 1066_scenario_titles.inc to Johan
			counter = counter + 1
			return
		else
			TestAllCKFiles
			Release Yet_Another_Beta_For_Testing
			set counter to 0
		endif
	else
		ShowTextbox "Nopes...sorry all files are frozen. No more changes."
	endif

end one_more_little_change
}

Also, because I know this is how it works for me...

"I'll just make this little tweak." Then you get into that file and realize it's written in a dumb way. Then you recode that minor function to optimize it, because you're anal about code and once you do it you have to keep doing it... then once you're done optimizing that function you realize that something broke when you did it... which leads to...

Anyway.

 

[unmerged(28030)]

That is true, but it is a can of worms, if Mallorca is changed, then why not all other small scenario tweaks?

I have to admit that's true. A lot of CoAs which are Christian look silly as Muslim, and vice versa. Ever seen "Duke of Medina?" It's so obviously Islamic it's funny.

I think this is very minor compared to some other issues.

 

[unmerged(24328)]

Too late to change tags

Is it possible to fix it in CANDIDATE D?

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Is it possible to fix it in CANDIDATE D?

No, there's not enough time for "scenario setup tweaks" beyond what they're already working on. It can be fixed for the first beta after 1.05, though.

 

[Brian Bóruma]

Grosshaus means, we have scenario freeze in place for 1.05, so it's too late for it for 1.05 purposes.

Makes sense. Scenario is due rather soon.

Just wondering -- Did Naples' namechange make the cut? I know you guys were talking about officially changing it in the kingdoms thread in the scenarios subforum, and changing Sicily to Trinacria or something.

j/w

 

[unmerged(6777)]

All scenario work beyond pure balance tweaks that I deem essential will be reviewed and discussed in 1.06. They will not change in 1.05, but I will be a lot more open to some stuff in 1.06 beta that I've been adamantly against touching in 1.05. Example: adjustiments to province.csv, tech setups, title names/holdings, etc.

None of that will happen between now and Feb 23rd.

 

[unmerged(60247)]

Any chance to fix it in new patch?