Embargoes

[The Menace]

Will the player have to option to implement and be subject to trade embargoes?

 

[LordOfWar16]

You cant simply embargo anyone at will, no. The problem with that would be hindsight since every allied nation would basicly embargo germany day 1. Instead there are national focuses that let you embargo nations.

There are two answers. From a gameplay standpoint its because, well, why wouldnt everyone just not trade anything to germany at the start then? everyone has perfect hindsight and knows what will happen. Usually in HOI3 this forced house rules on you so it wouldnt be exploited.
From a realism standpoint this is not something a head of state has an easy time with, you need good reasons (if I recall my reading the US was still exporting fuel to japan in small quantities despite its embargo for example). Reasons are there through focus trees and relations. its just a scale now rather than binary for the most part if and how much someone can trade.

 

[The Menace]

maybe this hindsight problem could be fixed by setting the max world tension required for an embargo against a belligerent or otherwise expansionist nation to be at 25 or 50%

 

[safe-keeper]

thought this would be about press embargoes re. the beta. i am disappoint .

They were in HOI3, so I don't see why not. Someone up to date on the WWWs will tell you .

Edit: you can't, other than through national focii.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...elopment-diary-11th-of-september-2015.881207/

 

[LordOfWar16]

maybe this hindsight problem could be fixed by setting the max world tension required for an embargo against a belligerent or otherwise expansionist nation to be at 25 or 50%

well, that would be one way of doing it, but communist and fascist nations arent limited by world tension. The Soviet Union could still embargo germany from the start. It would be a bit silly to make a exception with that and that alone in the rules. It would also mean that germany or other fascist or even communist nations for example could never embargo an democratic nation.

 

[potski]

The quote from podcat above related to the trade mechanism where your surplus resources are sold on the open market. No-one can choose who these get sold to, unless there is an embargo.

But you always choose who to buy from. So if you are Japan and don't want to assist China, don't buy their resources, find another country who will trade with you. But if you are selling resources on the open market, then you can't prevent China buying them.

But you can close your economy by changing your laws, so you don't sell any resources to anyone. This is possible as a fascist or communist, but of course could hurt your own allies, and even hurt yourself if you have large surpluses of resources that you can't use in your own factories. If you stop selling these you lose the factories abroad that can provide you consumer goods and help with construction projects.

This prevents gamey action by say a Romania player, by refusing to sell any oil to non-Axis countries in 1936. However, if Romania joins a war, then trade with the enemy automatically stops.

The embargoes in the US National Focuses allow them to embargo Japan, or others. There are not similar embargo options visible in the screenshots of fascist or communist National Focus trees. It makes no sense for Japan for instance to embargo USA at any stage. USA frankly, wouldn't care less - it doesn't need anything that Japan would have for sale.

We can assume that is the reason there is no embargo option available in the diplomatic menu any more.

 

[The Menace]

well, that would be one way of doing it, but communist and fascist nations arent limited by world tension. The Soviet Union could still embargo germany from the start. It would be a bit silly to make a exception with that and that alone in the rules. It would also mean that germany or other fascist or even communist nations for example could never embargo an democratic nation.

good point.