Electors with no HRE territory

[Kurblius]

So here's Provence in the Imperial Mapmode. Once upon a time, it's capital (Provence) was in the Holy Roman Empire. But then it moved it's capital to Argentina, and now only controls one province in Europe and it isn't HRE territory. Yet here it is in the Imperial Mapmode because it's an Elector. I loaded as Province and found that it doesn't have the Imperial Integrity modifier and attacking it didn't drag in the Emperor. Provence always votes for himself. I'm not sure if the whole thing is a bug but it does seem... odd. What do you guys think?

 

[unmerged(204522)]

provence does have 99 prestige-presumably there arent enough HRE member states with the emperors religion, so he has had to look outside the empire.....

 

[grommile]

I think the event that magically teleports AI countries' capitals doesn't clear their "HRE elector" flag. I remember filing a bug about this.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

I think the event that magically teleports AI countries' capitals doesn't clear their "HRE elector" flag. I remember filing a bug about this.

Is it really a bug though? Since emperors don't need to be part of the HRE in the game (whereas they do need to be in the HRE IRL).

 

[Evie HJ]

(whereas they do need to be in the HRE IRL

There was no written rule saying this, ever; and indeed the French and English kings both mounted serious imperial candidacies at the time of the election that crowned Charles V.

Of course, electors may have had a bias in favor of imperial rulers, but that's represented by the "within the HRE" bonus electors get in their decision to vote.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

There was no written rule saying this, ever; and indeed the French and English kings both mounted serious imperial candidacies at the time of the election that crowned Charles V.

That I didn't know, although I did remember Francis I (at the time of Charles V) wanting the HRE position.

However, I thought Bohemia was technically outside the HRE and was referred as not being a prince within the Imperial border.

 

[unmerged(11600)]

That I didn't know, although I did remember Francis I (at the time of Charles V) wanting the HRE position.

However, I thought Bohemia was technically outside the HRE and was referred as not being a prince within the Imperial border.

Bohemia was inside the HRE. That consisted of three kingdoms: that of Bohemia, of the Germans (effectively heir) and of the Lombards (the official office of the Emperor).

-Pat

 

[unmerged(397168)]

Bohemia was inside the HRE. That consisted of three kingdoms: that of Bohemia, of the Germans (effectively heir) and of the Lombards (the official office of the Emperor).

-Pat

Additionally the elector of Brandenburg called himself King in Prussia (not of because they didn't want to piss off the Austrians and the Polish who also owned Prussian lands) between 1701 and 1772, and after that King of Prussia.

 

[BrotherM]

It happens sometimes, once I saw two electors outside the Europe: Netherlands in North America and the Hansa in Cetral Africa, both were supporting Austria (oh, that Habsburg diplomacy...). Dont know how works mechanism, which gives HRE members the elector status, but it seems that such countries must have moved their capital overseas, while being an elector. What's more funny, Emperor was protecting the Netherland but not the Hansa, dont know why, but maybe the reason was the that second country had lost all provines in Europe (imperial provinces)? Later, somehow, the Hansa were kicked out of the HRE. Maybe If I have more free time, I check my savegames searching for some clues.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

Bohemia was inside the HRE. That consisted of three kingdoms: that of Bohemia, of the Germans (effectively heir) and of the Lombards (the official office of the Emperor).

-Pat

Quote: "The King of Bohemia, who was in fact not a prince of the Empire but a neighbouring and independent monarch, might vote at an imperial election, but was allowed on no other occasion to meddle in the affairs of the Empire."

Source: The Thirty Years War by Cicely Veronica Wedgwood, page 39

 

[Kurblius]

It happens sometimes, once I saw two electors outside the Europe: Netherlands in North America and the Hansa in Cetral Africa, both were supporting Austria (oh, that Habsburg diplomacy...). Dont know how works mechanism, which gives HRE members the elector status, but it seems that such countries must have moved their capital overseas, while being an elector. What's more funny, Emperor was protecting the Netherland but not the Hansa, dont know why, but maybe the reason was the that second country had lost all provines in Europe (imperial provinces)? Later, somehow, the Hansa were kicked out of the HRE. Maybe If I have more free time, I check my savegames searching for some clues.

Interesting. Wouldn't it be funny if you, as an elector, moved your capital to India, formed Hindustan... Thus Hindustan would be an Elector of the HRE.

 

[BrotherM]

Interesting. Wouldn't it be funny if you, as an elector, moved your capital to India, formed Hindustan... Thus Hindustan would be an Elector of the HRE.

Pic of Netherlands elector in US, with no provinces in Europe, supporting Austria, note its capital in Delaware. Actually, I havent got a save with Hansa elector in Africa on current PC, so only this can I show:

 

[unmerged(204522)]

clearly, a country that chooses to leave the HRE should lose its status as an elector.....

 

[SamStarrett]

In my current game as Italy, I was trying to join the Empire by moving my capital in, and was told "we cannot move our capital in or out of the Holy Roman Empire." Does this rule not apply to electors?

 

[Hystarea]

I wish you could add oversea provinces to the HRE. I could see the initial province costing a lot.

 

[SamStarrett]

I wish you could add oversea provinces to the HRE. I could see the initial province costing a lot.

Should be simple enough to mod that in. Just go into decisions/hre.txt and change the requirements on the decisions join_hre and join_hre_emp to whatever you want. I have no clue what it should be, though, as removing the requirement for a neighboring province to be part of the Empire would mean the Empire would most likely have a bizarre, discontiguous shape.

 

[unmerged(204522)]

In my current game as Italy, I was trying to join the Empire by moving my capital in, and was told "we cannot move our capital in or out of the Holy Roman Empire." Does this rule not apply to electors?

they would of had to leave the empire before they moved their capitals to the americas, but for some reason leaving the empire doesnt cause them to lose their elector status.

 

[SamStarrett]

they would of had to leave the empire before they moved their capitals to the americas, but for some reason leaving the empire doesnt cause them to lose their elector status.

Ah, that would explain it.

 

[lukew]

It's fairly reasonable. Britain was an elector for a while whilst never being in the HRE.

 

[Kurblius]

It's fairly reasonable. Britain was an elector for a while whilst never being in the HRE.

Really?