Elective Succession Bug?

[ocrim]

My last game brought me to something I’ve never seen before, and I hope to find someone with an explanation.

I try to keep it short:

I played as the King of Bavaria starting with the Charlemagne Bookmark. I’ve chosen the elective succession since there is only one duke next to me (theocratic) and I was able to choose the best dynasty members to be successors – it worked pretty good and vassals have been happy to have a (non-existing) choice.

Everything was fine until I’ve took the crown of the Lombardic Kingdom... Lombardy had the gavelkind succession law, which means:
· My favorite & 3rd oldest Son would get Bavaria (Elective Succession)
· My first-born son would get Lombardy/Italy (Gavelkind Succession)

To prevent title loss, I’ve made my Lombardic vassals happy and switched to elective monarchy in order to destroy the 2nd Kingdom title…and then the Bug(?) started to play around:

Suddenly my favorite & 3rd oldest Son wasn’t able to be chosen as the Bavarian successor… all other sons neither. Only my Cousin (dunno where he came from) and my grandson have been able to be nominated. Although elective monarchy counts only for de-jure vassals, all Lombardic dukes could have been nominated as the Bavarian successor as well… even another foreign King who had absolutely no relationship to Bavaria…

I started wondering what’s the reason for this issue, my sons:
· Had no titles
· Lived at my court
· Are non-excommunicated Christian of German culture
· Aren’t married
· Aren’t theocratic rulers or nominated theocratic rulers
· Had no "technical" difference to dynasty members I could choose (no special bloodlines etc.)
· Not imprisoned
· Not blinded or whatever….

I’ve destroyed the Kingdom title of Italy and nothing changed. I granted my favorite son a duke title in Italy as well (since every Lombardic vassal was able to be nominated) -> nothing changed.

Has someone seen/experienced this? It never happened to me before.

Technical Background:
CK II on Version 3.0.1.1 (ONDO)
DLC enabled = Charlemagne, The Republic, Legacy of Rome, The Sword of Islam
Mods = no
Ironman = yes

 

[SigurdStormhand]

That sounds nasty.

Have you tried re-creating Lombardy/Italy? Your son should be de jure a legal candidate for that title thanks to his Italian Dukedom.

 

[ocrim]

That sounds nasty.

Have you tried re-creating Lombardy/Italy? Your son should be de jure a legal candidate for that title thanks to his Italian Dukedom.

Yep, it absolutely is

The Italian Kingdom title worked and works as expected but Bavaria is just broken somehow. There are multiple ways around this issue (mostly with strategic disadvantages) but I would like to understand how this happened and if there is any logic behind.

It almost seems like Bavaria technically adopted non de-jure Italian nominees while keeping some limitations of gavelkind succession in Italy - but even that doesn’t make any sense to me.

Currently Bavarian de-jure Vassals (all German culture) are voting for Lombardian non de-jure dukes so they can take over the Kingdom of Bavaria… just thinking about it makes me laugh and cry at the same time

 

[Castimirr]

See if your wife is a valid nominee. There is a known bug where you can't nominate someone if their parent is a candidate, even if they are your kids.

 

[ocrim]

See if your wife is a valid nominee. There is a known bug where you can't nominate someone if their parent is a candidate, even if they are your kids.

Good to know - thanks I didn't even knew this bug was existing as well

My wife (Queen of Asturias) is currently no valid nominee in Bavaria (agnatic succession) - seems this bug won't explain the broken Bavarian title.

I hope this is just a rare random thing/bug which happens every 300th game.

 

[Castimirr]

Hopefully so. It seemed worth asking to see if it was the same issues others have reported or some new thing. Sorry, I can't help more.

 

[ocrim]

It seemed worth asking to see if it was the same issues others have reported or some new thing.

That's exactly what I'm currently thinking.

Sorry, I can't help more.

Absolutely no problem! Any kind of feedback is highly appreciated.

 

[Castimirr]

Might want to register your game and link your forum account with steam. Then you could post it in the bug sub-forum. Just make sure to set the title so it is clear you aren't reporting the other bug I mentioned.