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MrT, Sharur

I know your both right but I'm feel like beating my head against a wall in this game. I'm trying to make it as hard as I can just to see what I can accomplish with Eire. I should be doing the colonial thing but I want to see what happens if I try to play with the big boys in Europe. I've played the next 20 or so years and will post the results soon. It didn't turn out quite the way that I envisioned.:(

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Eire

1543-46 Still putting down revolts but they are decreasing.

1546 I get a random event. Petition for redress. I want the +1 centralization so that my research in tech will accelerate. I accept and get a –4 stability hit down to level –3. This was maybe not my first mistake but it was one that looking back on started the problems that would cost me decades to recover from.

1547 I cancel my military access with Scotland (-1 stability hit) and issue a diplomatic insult so I have a CB on them. I was still thinking in EU I rules and not EU II. I wanted to take Scotland out as soon as possible and didn’t realize that I was being overly optimistic in what I could do. I manage to get to level –2 stability.

1548 Great noble requests aid which I turn down. – 1 to stability down to level–3 again.

I saved the game at this time because even though I knew what I was going to do, which was play it safe, I also wanted to know what would have happened if I had been aggressive. So here’s what happened.

I took two loans ( I have always said never take loans when playing Eire) and upgraded the fort in Northumberland and started building cannon. I eventually DOW Scotland which has been in a war for sometime and is showing war fatigue. I take three provinces until they finally march out from their capital and retake one of them. Meanwhile another province I have captured rebels and is besieged. Scotland is offering me money but I want land. Meanwhile back on the home front my English provinces are rebelling everywhere because of war fatigue. France who is fighting England has troops in three of my provinces which is great because they keep putting down the revolts. But eventually I start losing provinces to the rebels and the rebellion spreads. Even in Eire I start having rebellions. Needless to say I stopped there and return to my first choice at least knowing that I had made the right choice. Oh and I forgot. I had my treasury slider all the way to the right so I was receiving plenty of money. So there I was building men and cannons when I caught a glimpse of a message on the read out at the bottom of the screen. Something about a loan being taken by Eire. "What the F**K is going on. I look at my income and I ‘m losing 15 ducats a month even with the slider all the way to the right. I had forgotten that in EU II you can’t just build as many troops as you have money for. Now back to the real game.

All right it’s now 1550 and I have poor government policies and lose –1 to stability but I’m still at –3 level so it doesn’t matter. My inflation is at 30% so I’m keeping my treasury slider as far left as I can.

1554 and I have no time for thumb twiddling as I’m having a merry time putting down revolts.

1556 –2 stability reached.

1557 noble assassinated –1 stability hit down to level –3 again. You know –3 kind of grows on you after awhile. I’m really getting to like it down here at the bottom of this deep dark shaft with just a little pinprick of light way up at the top.

1559 Another petition for redress. I’m already at –3 level so I accept so that I get +1 centralization. I still haven’t learned that my problem is with stability not tech research. I can be quite slow at catching on at times.

I manage to get to level -2 stability by 1560.

Well it’s 1562 and that old meteor is sighted and I drop back to level –3 stability. I figure that since I’m at –3 I might as well move my domestic sliders and I choose narrowminded as the way to go. I have to make up for the mistakes I made earlier and speed up my ability to recover from stability hits. Never focus on just one of your problems or you just cause other problems to occur.

1564 I have a boundary dispute with Mali which I settle and get a +1 stability hit.

1565 and I have an heir to the throne and get +1 stability hit. I’m up to level –1. My revolt risk is finally gone and I have peace and quiet for the first time in quite awhile.

By 1568 I’m at 0 stability and I’m ready to warn Scotland and hope they will declare war against someone.

1569 I have unhappy clergy and decide to agree with them and move toward narrowminded. I can finally recover from stability hits in a fairly swift fashion. The situation right now is 5,000 infantry, 10,000 cavalry, 16 cannon and 4 ships. I am a little behind in land tech but nothing to worry about. I think the next ten years will be the turning point in the future of Eire.

And to think that I’ve spent the last 26 years just recovering from stability hits. Boy was it fun.
 

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But you were able to move your sliders for four times, and in your favour, as it seems. So the time wasn't totally wasted, I'd say.
 

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Originally posted by Sorcerer
But you were able to move your sliders for four times, and in your favour, as it seems. So the time wasn't totally wasted, I'd say.

That's what I kept telling myself.:) It was a long hard road through this period. At least it set me up for what happened next.;)

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Eire

In the year 1571 all was quiet and boring. It lasted until 1573 when +3 stability was reach. Then God help us I decided it was time to kick some butt.

1574 Eire insulted Scotland hoping they would do something about it. They didn’t do a thing. Just sat there with 39,000 men in the capital. . I’ve warned them and insulted them and they don’t do a damn thing. It was sometime during this period when I was getting a little frustrated with my inability to get a CB against Scotland that little voice in the back of my head started whispering "Cheat. Go ahead and cheat. The bozos reading this won’t know you did it. Just declare war and say you received a CB against them " As the years went by this voice got louder but somehow I restrained myself and decided to stick it out no matter how boring it got. And then a bit of luck finally came my way.

During this time I was pouring merchants into the Anglia COT and England banned me from sending any more merchants so I had a CB against England handed to me, thank you very much. Since I couldn’t get a CB against Scotland or get them to attack me I went ahead and declared war against England. Venice and Bavaria joined England. I easily captured Anglia and them sent my mighty fleet of 6 ships and 1 transport to North America where I started capturing colonies and burning trade posts.

Finally in 1577 England surrendered and gave Eire, Mahe, Arcadie, Manicouagan, Guinea, Vestbygden, Roanoke and Isle Royale.

Even though I didn’t want to go this route it was forced on me by Scotland’s lack of response to anything I did. And yes everyone it is the smart thing to do but I haven’t given up on getting my sweaty pudgy little hands on Scotland’s neck.

By 1579 I have built Isle Royale up to a city and started building a fort.

1580 and I receive a diplomatic insult from Scotland. Yea, I finally have a CB against Scotland.

It’s 1581 and the time has come for the Irish to meet their destiny. Eire declares war against Scotland. This time Wurtemberg joins Scotland. Scotland has close to 39,000 men while Eire has 5,000 infantry 4,000 Calvary and 40 cannon. The war is mainly siege warfare with Eire capturing Strathclyde, The Grampians and the Highlands by 1586.

In 1588 Scotland throws in the kilt and gives Eire, Strathclyde, The Grampians and the Highlands for peace. For a good hundred years I’ve been trying to get Scotland and I can tell you that it feels GOOD! They have only their capital left so if I get another CB against them I plan on annexing them.

1589 I order a tax collector in Isle Royale.

So the situation is roughly Eire owning all of England and Scotland except for the capitals. I have one city in North America. I have inflation of 33%.

Sharur, MrT Yea, I know you were right.

Its ironic that I ended up in North America even though I was trying not to go there. The problem now is that I have to start planing past Scotland and pick the time and place to make my move in Europe. Things just keep getting more complicated.
 

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You were lucky, you know, since there is a nasty random event that's tied into having -3 stability...the "Civil War" random event. It's a bitch! Glad to see you made it back to +3.

Well it's nice to know that Sharur and I were right. Even the game conspired to prove it. :D I'm happy for you that you did finally get that CB against Scotland. One more and they're dust.:)

I'd guess your BB is starting to climb quite high which may help you get some of those wars you're after too. Keep up the good work.:D
 

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Originally posted by Storey

During this time I was pouring merchants into the Anglia COT and England banned me from sending any more merchants so I had a CB against England handed to me, thank you very much.

Oh, confess it: you cheated! :D

And who's a bonzo? :p

Good work, now what next? Do you wait until you get a CB against France? Btw, what's your manpower now?
 

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Originally posted by Sorcerer


Oh, confess it: you cheated! :D

And who's a bonzo? :p

Good work, now what next? Do you wait until you get a CB against France? Btw, what's your manpower now?

I like to think that is was my moral upbringing that was most responsible. That and a steel will and that good old fashion feeling of "Its not if you win or lose but how you play the game" that helped me through a very testing time. Well that and the fact that it would have cost me from 2 to 3 stability hits to DOW without a CB and that would have given me maybe a year or two before war fatigue would have caused rebellions throughout England and I would have quickly gone down the toilet. Then all my moral up bringing would have been good for is to give me the courage to wave as I swirled down the toilet. As far as what's next I'm still looking for opportunities to exploit. Finding a weakness in France would make the most sense but who knows what fate has in store for the Irish.:)

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MrT: I know I've been lucky!:) I've used up all my luck in this game so the rest it going to be accredited to skill.;) I have a tarnished reputation right now but I have to lie low and wait out the revolts that are happening with the new provinces I've acquired so it should go down a little. I didn't know how not attacking without a CB was going to work out in this game but I've been pleasantly surprised at how the game has been presenting opportunities for expansion. As you'll see in the next segment I take the next big step. Civil War? Bah a little civil war doesn't scare me. Especially since I'm past the danger.


Sharur: I'm still trying not to become a colonial power so I haven't paid a lot of attention to them but I can safely say that it looks like the usual mix of countries in North America. I can't see much of the rest of the world so I don't know what's going on there. I'm determined to become a power in Europe!

Sorcerer: I would dearly like to take on France but they are way, way too strong and are in a strong alliance. Where I've gone wrong in other games is getting to a point where I'm moving along nicely and then I get impatient and join the wrong alliance or attack somewhere just to do it. This time I'm determined to carefully pick the right time and right spot to attack. My manpower at the start of the next segment was around 15 and I think at the end of the segment it was around 19.

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Well its 1589 and I have a manpower rating of 15, which is good news to say the least. I still have to watch it but at least I’m starting to see hope in being able to field a large army. I have to wait for the coming rebellions to die down before I try to expand again and so I start colonizing Mahe to pass the time. Suddenly a widow pops up and asks me if I want to pay off the 200 ducat national loan that is due? I don’t remember taking a loan! I don’t have the money so I roll it over and make a note to pay it off next time.

The years roll by and in 159 I get an exceptional year with 100 ducats added to the treasury and –5% inflation. Inflation now stands at 28%.

Low and behold in 1594 I get a merchants harassed and a CB against Scotland for the next 60 months!

1595 and I declare war against Scotland. Wurtemberg joins Scotland. Boy I’m really worried about Wurtemberg. Scotland has 39,000 infantry and I have 10,000 infantry, 4,000 Calvary and 55 cannon. I lose the first battle but finally in 1597 manage to capture the Scottish capital and Annex them. My reputation is tarnished.

In 1598 I repay the loan. My fleet is made up of 4 ships and 3 transports. I start to slowly increase the size of the fleet. Nothing crazy just enough to let me ship an army to the continent if I want to. From 1597 through 1599 I get two waves of obstruction and a +3 revolt risk. I get to run around Scotland and England putting down revolts for the next year.

1601 and there are still revolts to deal with. I move my slider to quality instead of quantity. I’m not worrying about manpower as much anymore so I figure let’s get some more punch in the army. Its only two moves from the max quality setting.

It 1603 and I’ve been looking around for an alliance to join since I know that I’m not strong enough to take on anyone on the continent without allies. Most of Europe doesn’t like me but Sweden and I are very close. Sweden also is in a strong alliance with Friesland, Holstein, and Pommern. Brandenburg and Genoa. However they are in a war with Denmark and I don’t want to join a war that has been going on for at least three years and shows no sign of ending.

1605 and another exceptional year happens. –5% inflation and 100 ducat to treasury. Inflation is down to 24%.

1609 I join the Swedish alliance because I can’t twiddle my thumbs anymore. This means that I’m now at war with Denmark and another war against Poland. I notice that Denmark has just reached a peace agreement with Holstein. This means that Jutland is not defended by any troops so I sail over and land an army and besiege the city. Denmark is obviously worn out with the several years that this war has lasted. I only hope that I can force them to offer me a peace agreement that gives me a province. I sign a status quo peace with Poland.

In 1610 I capture Jutland and march to my army to the capital, Sjelland. It falls in early 1611 and I sail my army to Skane, which I besiege. Denmark tries several times to counterattack in Skane by I prevail every time.

1612 and I capture Skane and march on to Smaland which I besiege, I didn’t pay close attention and Sweden marches down and takes the leadership of the siege away from me and before I can move my forces out assaults the city and captures it.

During all this time Denmark never makes a peace proposal to me. I wondering how much longer this war can last before Denmark has to give in to Sweden and make peace leaving me high and dry. But in late 1612 Denmark gives Eire Jutland and Skane for peace. I wonder if capturing the capital forces the AI to try to make peace with you before anyone else? Anyway once again I get provinces before the alliance leader reaches a peace agreement. I now have a toe hold in Europe!

1614 I move the offensive/defensive slider toward defense. It’s still favoring offensive but this is around the time (1600-1650) where I start moving toward defense for the cheaper cannon and for the ability to quickly take cities. I notice that Denmark give Sweden, Trondelag, Narvik, Smaland and Jamtland for peace.

1616 Norway declares its independence from Denmark. Denmark has been reduced to just two provinces. Hmm, just about bite size if you ask me.

Its still 1616 and I’m very happy with the way things are going. I forgot to mention that Mahe is now a city but is the only overseas province that I raised to city level this segment. If I get a CB against Denmark I’ll take them on alone. I don’t know where I’ll be expanding next since my allies surround the provinces that I just won. I’m toying with destroying my relations with Holstein and then declaring war on someone just to get them to decline the alliance so that I get a CB against them. Hmm, this sounds like I getting a little over confident. I’ve lost several games because my ego grew just a little too big and exploded making a terrible mess. I think I’ll cool my heels for awhile.
 

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Great AAR!

I have tried reading several ones, but this is written exactly in the style I like. I could not stop reading! ;) Maybe I should write something myself. :D
(Have not finished my first GC yet...)

Anyway, go Eire!

(And keep being nice to Sweden :) )
 

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Originally posted by Samruc
Great AAR!

I have tried reading several ones, but this is written exactly in the style I like. I could not stop reading! ;) Maybe I should write something myself. :D
(Have not finished my first GC yet...)

Anyway, go Eire!

(And keep being nice to Sweden :) )

Glad you like it. I plan to keep Sweden near and dear to Eire. In the GC games I've played up till now Sweden didn't do too much but in this one they've been fighting someone for most of the game. That may be because I'm playing at the very hard/agressive settings. I think Eire and Sweden will make a good team in the coming years.;)

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Unfortunately this AAR has just ended. The save game will not load and I've tried everything that I can to resurrect it. I'm a little irritated to put it mildly but there's nothing that I can do about it. It took me two hundred years to finally cross the channel and get to Europe and I was looking forward to see what the mighty Irish could do against the big boys. Anyway is was hopefully interesting for you and give Eire a try sometime. All your going to need is luck, patience and skill. Oh did I mention luck? You'll need a lot of it.:D

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* sniff * R.I.P., Eire. :(

Do you have any screenshots?
 

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Well there may be hope. I've been on the bug reporting board and there have been a lot of posts about this problem. I'll try the fix tonight and see if it works.

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Well it does pay to read the bug reporting board. I tried the fix for the crash caused by trying to load a saved game and it worked. Now on to the glory of the Irish.

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When last we saw our intrepid hero’s of the emerald isle they were babysitting Skane and Jutland. It is 1617 and I’m not doing much so I upgrade the fort in Jutland to level two because Denmark has been on a building spree and has close to 35,000 troops sitting in their capital. I think they still want to recapture Norway.

All is quiet until March 1618 when Pommern decides to declare war against Poland. Sweden, Genoa, Holstein and Eire join in the fun. No one joins Poland. In fact I notice that Poland is practically fighting everyone in that part of the world. Now to add to the confusion The Netherlands declares war against Genoa. All the allies join Genoa while the Netherlands stand alone. I do my bit and march down and capture Friesland but I don’t want to keep it since I think its going to be a pain in the neck because its gong to have a high rebellion risk so when the Netherlands offers me 89 ducats for peace I take the money and run. Meanwhile I’m looking at the province Memel. It’s owned by Poland but is cut off from the rest of Poland by Brandenburg. Brandenburg is becoming one of the real powerhouses in the area. I load up my fleet and sail off the coast of Memel only to see that Spain has just captured it and taken it in a peace settlement. Damn I wanted that province. Now I can’t even reach any Polish provinces. So I sail back to Jutland and start waiting again.

1621 and a white peace is declared with Poland and the Pommern alliance members. I also get a Non Enforcement of ordinances and move +1 to Centralization, which puts it at about three moves away from decentralization. I notice that Friesland is revolting. It feels good to be smug!

In 1622 I keep adding to my fleet and it now has 4 ships and 6 transports. I plan to be ready to move around the Baltic at a moment’s notice. Sweden gets Zeeland and Flandern from the Netherlands for peace. They seem to be doing rather well but let us see if they can hold on to these provinces.

1623 and it seems that Sweden is just not happy being at peace so they declare war against Novgorod. We all join Sweden and Spain and Norway join Novgorod. Ah, another opportunity to capture Memel which is owned by Spain. Oh, and Pommern declares war against Brandenburg. We all join and Saxony and Wurtemberg join Brandenburg. Once again armies are marching everywhere. I load up my army and sail to Memel only to find 33,000 Spanish troops waiting for me. I decide that I don’t really want Memel and sail north and land in Estland, which is owned by Novgorod and besiege it. (Mistake)

In 1624 the Netherlands joins Novgorod and enters the war. Near the end of the year France joins the Novgorod alliance and joins the war. Thankfully Holstein and Pommern act as a defensive shield for me otherwise I would be in big trouble. France and Brandenburg have a lot of soldiers running around.

By 1625 Skane has revolted and the rebels are besieging the city. I finally capture Estland but the cost was high. I march to Ingermanland but it’s just for show. Even as I start the siege two things make me break it off. First Novgorod has an army of 30,000 in the next province who eventually will attack me and the other is because of my manpower limit I won’t be able to keep enough men in the siege to continue it. Another winter and I won’t have enough of an army left to do anything. So I load up my army and sail back to Jutland.

1626 and I move my Defensive/Offensive slider toward defensive. Its still on the offensive side of the slider but one more and it will be in the middle. I march my army from Jutland down to Friesland because the Netherlands keeps demanding a province for peace and I’m finding that irritating. Big mistake. Never get irritated with a computer AI. I march down with 5,000 infantry, 1,000 Calvary and 55 cannon and fight a battle against 5,000 Infantry and 5,000 Calvary and my entire army to the last cannon is destroyed. Luckily Novgorod at that moment offers me 96 ducats for peace which I accept. I was of two minds on this but I don’t think I would have gotten Estland in a peace offer. I just didn’t have enough victory points and I sure as hell wasn’t going through another winter besieging some city up north. Well that and the fact that I no longer had a creditable army influenced my decision.

So at the end of 1625 Sweden, Genoa, Pommern, Holstein and Eire are still at war with Saxony and Brandenburg. Maybe I can still get a piece of the pie!

I didn’t really accomplish much this segment because I made a couple of mistakes. I should never have gone north. I just can’t replace the troops that I lose to attrition. I also became over confidant with the Netherlands and lost my besieging army because of that. I’m rebuilding right now and watching Brandenburg and Saxony for any weakness. Let this be a lesson on what greed can do. I should have just sat back and let everyone else fight while I consolidated my position. But no I had to go up north and throw away a lot of good troops. Sigh.


For those who have had a problem with loading a saved game you can get the answer to the problem in the Bug reporting board. If I remember right you need to open the saved game eug. I think that’s what it’s labeled, with word or notepad. Look in the selectable country list and you’ll notice a lot of duplicate countries. I deleted all the countries but the one I was playing (Eire) and tried reloading the game and it worked!
 
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