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Originally posted by lesmadec


that is a problem, sure.But only big country can invade you,no?
because small country can't bring so many soldier in the island because like you their navy is small.
you should make big fortification so your province won't fall easely and in a few time.:)

I agree there are advantages and disadvantages to being on an island.:) The problem with upgrading my fortress is of course MONEY. I'm just now at 1517 and if I can get out of the war that I’m in I can start improving my forts and tax collectors.

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Eire

I’ve finally got the game running again so we will continue with the saga of the green tide of Ireland. I don’t know if I stated all the rules that I play by since I’m too lazy to read what I’ve already written but I just wanted to note that:
1. I don’t declare war unless I have a CB.
2. I don’t propose peace treaties to anyone. The biggest problem with only accepting what is offered me is that it becomes dangerous to get into a war where you can’t put pressure on the enemy. This caused me some difficulty, as you will latter see.

Its now 1481 and I’m sitting here minding my own business when suddenly France declares war on England. Spain and Savoy join England while Scotland and Eire join France. I have around 20,000 troops, which I fan out and besiege and attack any English troops that I can find. England still hasn’t recovered from the last war so I don’t have a hard time of it. The war lasts until 1484 when having taken every province in England I receive Lancashire, Midlands and Wessex for peace. England has been effectively neutered, for its own good of course.

I’m thinking that I’ll just sit tight and wait for the occasional revolt that is sure to come when suddenly Scotland declares war on Mecklenburg. I join, as does France. Poland and Lithuania join Mecklenburg and so I reluctantly enter into another war. Mecklenburg has seven provinces in the game so I’m not going to even think of attacking them. I have 9 ships in my navy so I can move troops around but I have one severe problem. My manpower limit is six. It hasn’t changed with the additional English provinces that I have captured which I think is correct in game terms. This makes it very tough to take on a country with numerous troops. After a few years I buy off Poland and Lithuania which had tried to invade Eire but with so few troops that I easily defeat them. Finally in 1491 Scotland makes peace with Mecklenburg and I am once more at peace.

I enter a time of peace where a few forts are upgraded. I don’t build any tax collectors in the new provinces because of revolt concerns. Thumb twiddling is taking on new heights in popularity with the reinvention of the Olympics. There are many different venues for the amusement of the masses. There is the standard thumb twiddling but for the more adventuresome there is synchronize thumb twiddling as well and team thumb twiddling. Of course the most popular sport in the Olympic games is thumb wrestling. The betting and drinking at these matches is something you have to see to believe. The Scots have taken to the sport and promise to have their own team in the next Olympics. The French don’t seem to know what to make of it all.

1492 I tried to make Scotland a vassal but failed. Throughout the next several years I moved the slider toward centralization since I’m going to need to speed up my ability to improve my tech levels. I have the chance to hire a foreign drill instructor (+1 offense +1 quality) but I don’t because even thought I would like to increase my offense I can’t take the increase in quality. I have my manpower limited already and I want to increase my manpower pool not restrict it even more.

1497 My how time has flown. I get a border dispute with England, which gives me a CB against them. My fist offensive war starts with Scotland and France joining me while Spain joins England. England has 21,000 troops in Cornwall but I’m able to win the day and besiege the few remaining provinces they have. Spain lands 20,000 troops in Kent but runs into 25,000 Scottish troops and loses the battle. I should have paid attention to the strength of Spain but didn’t and it would cause problems latter.

By 1499 England has had enough and begs me to take Tassaret, Senegal, Nouakchott, Nouadibuh, Cornwall and Kent. I now have all of England except for Anglia and I have a colonial empire that I didn’t want. I intend to continue to focus on Europe for the time being.

Unfortunately the celebration is spoiled by the fact that I am still at war with Spain. I don’t receive any peace proposals from Spain so I go on the offensive. I capture the Azores, which was undefended and then I besiege Galicia in Spain. But after a year I have to abandon the siege and retreat back to Eire. I don’t have the manpower to take on Spain, which had an army of 55,000 marching toward me in Galicia when I prudently decided to retreat, so I wait in Eire/England. Over the next few years Spain launches several invasions which I defeat. My navy also does a good job of winning most of the battles they fight but still no peace proposals from Spain. Not a peep from them even with a 6% victory rating in my favor.

By 1507 my war fatigue is at 8% and I know that revolts are going to start happening. At this time France declares war against Lorraine. I join, as does Scotland. England and Spain join Lorraine. In 1508 Lorraine offers me a status quo peace and I accept. I know I could have captured Anglia and maybe annexed England but I think she had so more colonies by then and I need to get out of these wars!

1509 and Scotland declares war against Mecklenburg once again. Pommern and Novgorod join Mecklenburg. France joins Scotland but I don’t. I rejoin the alliance on the stupid hope that I won’t have to join in the war but of course I do. (I know the rules but I was hoping for a miracle) Then to my surprise a miracle occurred. My war fatigue fell to zero. I was still at war with Spain but for some reason because I withdrew from the alliance and rejoined it fell to zero. There is a GOD!

By 1511 I finally reach land tech 5 and can assault forts. . I’ve taken the hunker down approach to my war with Spain. I’m hopping that eventually we will reach a white peace if I don’t attack them.

1516 I move the slider toward inovativeness.

1517 A white peace with Spain!! I then notice that I’m still at war with Novgorod. I’m not about to sail to that frozen wasteland and watch my soldiers freeze to death. War fatigue is up to +6 and rising. I’m beginning to think that its time to go it alone.
 

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Wow! That's a really harsh rule to impose on yourself...never offering peace but waiting instead for the AI to get around to it. I must give it a try sometime, if I'm feeling brave.

Nice job...
 

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That manpower problem must be pretty serious. And it will take quite a while till conscription centres are available...

Great job, I would never dare to play Eire, that's a bit too difficult for my skills.
 

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Originally posted by Sharur
Storey, you couldn't have annexed England anyway, because you can't offer peace! :eek:

You've done an impressive job here. Good work :)

Ah, but I can. If you read the fine print on the back of your admissions ticket you will see that I'm allowing myself the option to propose peace if I can annex or create a vassal. I also think if I want to get military access I'll propose a peace. Other than that it’s up to the AI. I did this originally to just make the game harder but I didn't realize how it would change the way that I look on joining an ally in war. I’m beginning to pay a great deal of attention to where the enemy’s allies are and if I can reach them. I’m seriously thinking of dropping out of the alliance and going alone but I don’t have the manpower rating to do it. I can't figure out what the computer is going to do when it comes to peace. Some countries offer me a Status Quo peace fairly quickly but others won't offer anything if I'm ahead or even with them in victory points. I've played another ten years and the penalty from war exhaustion has caused a severe strain on Eire. I'll post on Monday.
 

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Err...um...Storey? Your current sig.? I think you need to brush up on your anatomy. The way to a woman's heart is straight through her chest (preferably with a sharp knife and a pair of rib-spreaders). :D

I'm thinking that with 1.03 you should relax your "no peace offerings" rule somewhat. How about putting a time component on it that allows you to initiate a proposal after 3 years or something like that. Otherwise if the AI "forgets" you, your entire nation could self-destruct before you get an offer.
 

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Originally posted by Sorcerer
That manpower problem must be pretty serious. And it will take quite a while till conscription centres are available...

Great job, I would never dare to play Eire, that's a bit too difficult for my skills.

I freely admit that you need luck in playing Eire. The first four wars I fought were declared by my allies and yet I received a peace settlement before England reached a peace agreement with whoever it was that declared the war. I wonder if capturing the capital forces the AI to try to reach a peace agreement with you before anyone else?

Manpower is the main problem when playing Eire. I can handle the money problems but there isn't a lot I can do with the man power problem. I just want to say well done Paradox. Maybe it needs to be tweaked but this is a very good rule to have in the game.

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Originally posted by MrT
Err...um...Storey? Your current sig.? I think you need to brush up on your anatomy. The way to a woman's heart is straight through her chest (preferably with a sharp knife and a pair of rib-spreaders). :D

I'm thinking that with 1.03 you should relax your "no peace offerings" rule somewhat. How about putting a time component on it that allows you to initiate a proposal after 3 years or something like that. Otherwise if the AI "forgets" you, your entire nation could self-destruct before you get an offer.

Bloomfield asked me about my sig a month or so ago and I waxed poetic about the fact that it meant that to win and keep a woman you need to be able to cook. I've been married for 29 years (She robbed the cradle) and my wife's face might not light up the way it use to when I enter the bedroom but when I enter the dinning room bringing in my latest creation her face still lights up as it did almost three decades ago.:p

Nope I'm not allowing myself an out. I'm paying the price right now with a revolt risk in some provinces at 16% but I'm hanging on. (By my fingernails) All right I might as well admit it now. part of the problem was that I forgot to adjust my religious sliders for Protestant which aggravated the revolt problem Once I did that it went down to 9%.:D I do the save and load game routine to make sure that the AI doesn't go to sleep. Didn't help with either Spain or Novgorod though.:(

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Originally posted by Storey


Bloomfield asked me about my sig a month or so ago and I waxed poetic about the fact that it meant that to win and keep a woman you need to be able to cook. I've been married for 29 years (She robbed the cradle) and my wife's face might not light up the way it use to when I enter the bedroom but when I enter the dinning room bringing in my latest creation her face still lights up as it did almost three decades ago.:p

Nope I'm not allowing myself an out. I'm paying the price right now with a revolt risk in some provinces at 16% but I'm hanging on. (By my fingernails) All right I might as well admit it now. part of the problem was that I forgot to adjust my religious sliders for Protestant which aggravated the revolt problem Once I did that it went down to 9%.:D I do the save and load game routine to make sure that the AI doesn't go to sleep. Didn't help with either Spain or Novgorod though.:(

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29 years! Good going. I've developed a similar habit myself...good food is the greatest aphrodesiac.;)

Novgorod probably won't be too bad so I guess you'll have to tough it out for 3 years until the auto-white peace.

Spain could be a different matter. When I tried Eire I ended up at war with them via France declaring. I'd thought they'd forgotten all about me until suddenly there were several 15-20,000-strong armies unloading off the nasty, large Spanish fleets. Yikes!

Hopefully the luck of the Irish will be with you.
 

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Originally posted by MrT

Spain could be a different matter. When I tried Eire I ended up at war with them via France declaring. I'd thought they'd forgotten all about me until suddenly there were several 15-20,000-strong armies unloading off the nasty, large Spanish fleets. Yikes!

Hopefully the luck of the Irish will be with you.

Yeah, this seemed to be a Spanish obsession even in EU 1. They always wanted to have their own share of the green isle...
 

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Eire

1519 I’m up to +10 war exhaustion and revolts are starting to break out in England.

1520
An exceptional year –5% inflation which drops it to 24%. Then in December my nobles once again ally themselves with a foreign power and I take a –2 stability hit. It seems that my good luck is turning bad. I notice that my revolt risk is at 16% in some provinces while my war fatigue is now at +12. I then notice that my religious sliders haven’t been adjusted for Protestant. I’m such a fool. The Nobles being a very busy group demand their rights and I have to take a –1 to the Centralization slider.

1522 France declares war against Brittany and England joins Brittany. Scotland and Eire join France. I besiege Anglia for obvious reasons.

1523 I pay 3d to England for peace. I need peace now as my English provinces at revolting at an increasing rate. Brittany demands 16d for peace and I pay them. A white peace with Novgorod is reached! There are constant revolts in England. I have almost 30,000 men who are constantly marching around putting down revolts.

And now begins the years of trouble.

1524 I started the war in 1519 with 400d in the treasury and few revolts. I now have 0d in the treasury and revolts are a real problem. Then my nobles ally with another foreign power and I take another –2 stability hit. I am down to level –1.

1525 Rebels capture Anglia and now I have a additional +2 revolt factor for those provinces that border it. Poor government policy force me to take a –1 stability hit taking me down to –2 stability level.

1526 The last of the revolts is squashed and Eire is at peace. Yeah right.

1527 France declares war against Cologne and then before anyone can react declares war against Kleves. Scotland and Eire join and we find ourselves also fighting Austria and Bosnia. I’m at –2-stability level so I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place. If I decline to join I go down to –3-stability level and that will be enough to start revolts again so I have to join the war. Bosnia offers a Status Quo peace and I accept. I besiege Bretagne, which is owned by Austria. It looked like an great opportunity to grab a province on the continent, which is near to Eire. I want it badly so that I can use it as a stepping stone to the conquest of, (fill in the blank); country but France came along later and took leadership of the siege away from me. Then to add to my problems Spain and Milan join the war against us. I also notice that I’m starting to fall behind in land tech levels. France and England are at level 10-land tech and I’m at level 6. Not good news.

1528 I tried to be smart and left the siege in Bretagne and moved to Cologne where I besieged one of their provinces. Why? Because I was getting desperate that I wouldn’t get anything out of this war so I do something just to do something. Its called panicking! What I would have done if I had won a province clear in the middle of Europe is beyond me but it could have been fun. I siege the province for awhile but eventually have to retreat. I then move my 10,000-man army to the south of France where I besieged a Spanish province only to have a Spanish army come along and destroy my army to the man. My manpower limits and the fact that I only have 6 ships is proving that I’m too weak to really do anything in this war and I’m going to have to sit it out back in Eire. So once again I fall back on that old stand by, thumb twiddling. Also the fact that I’ve had to invest so much time to recover my stability has caused me to fall so far behind others in tech levels that its starting to prove to be a serious problem. And then of course I receive a petition for redress and lose one more level of stability. Down to level –2 again.

1529 France gets 275d from Austria and at least I’m at peace with them. I hire a military trainer and get +1 offensive and +1 quality. It cost me 250d but with the showing in this last war it is clear that I need help in my armies moral and abilities. I know it’s the opposite of what I did the last time. So shoot me.

1530 Eire pays Colonge 5d for peace.

1531 Eire pays Kleves 38d for peace. I can’t even beat Kleves. Sad so sad. But at least I’m at peace once again. I have 28% inflation and I’m moving the slider all the way to the left to stop anymore inflation. I also start building tax collectors in England.

1532 Scotland declares war against England and I decline to join the alliance. Rebels hold Anglia and I need to get out of this war factory of an alliance. -1 stability hit, which puts me back down to –2 level. (Maybe I shouldn’t be at the aggressive level?)

1534 I’ve had enough of the direction that I’m heading in. I’m going to do something so drastic, so imaginative, so desperate that it will jump start Eire down the road to success. I’m at level –2 stability anyway so I decide to change my state religion to Protestant. Down to –3 stability level. I get a big boost to my treasury. (700d) Lancashire, Kent, Yorkshire and Northumberland revolt. I eventually put them down. Scotland keeps asking me to rejoin the alliance and I keep telling them to take a hike.

1535 I get the uncooperative Philosopher and since I’m already at –3 stability level I don’t worry about the –2-stability hit and go with allow to remain free and get +1 to Innovativeness. I can finally build cannon. I order 10 just for the hell of it.

1539 I reach level –1 stability and along comes a petition for redress and I take a –1 stability hit back to level –2. Ulster revolts and I manage to raise the siege before the province falls.

1541 Uncooperative Philosopher happens again but this time I’m forced to do the opposite to get the +1 to stability.

1542 King Henry offer happened and I turned it down. –1 centralization, +1 stability. Finally up to level 0 stability.

1543 I get to level +1 stability just in time to get corruption and go down to level 0 again.

At this time a question, which has been there for the last 20 or so years is becoming too large to ignore. What to do next? I have as I see it t three choices. First I could sit on my butt and delve into the mysteries of the cult of the thumb and stay in Eire. Nah doesn’t sound like much fun. Or, two I could keep capturing Anglia from one war to the next and get what’s left of England to give me more of its colonies so that I can create an over seas empire. Nah, too conventional. Or, three I can try to get a foothold somewhere in Europe and take on the big boys in their own back yard. Yea, that sounds like fun. There is a minor tiny Winnie little almost too small to notice problem to that idea. I still have only 6 ships in my navy. I have a manpower limit of seven and I’m falling behind in the tech race. Now for the bad news. I don’t have a plan on how to correct this situation. My best bet would be to take over Scotland. Since I no longer am part of their alliance and our relations are at the neutral level I could work on getting a CB against them and declaring war. Two minor problems with this brilliant plan. Scotland has 40,000 troops waiting at the border and they are still allied with France who has shown a perchance to land troops in England whenever it wants to. At least I know that I have to increase the size of my navy and improve my stability. What’s next? Well I haven’t decided.
 

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Sorcerer, MrT: I agree about the Spanish obsession with Eire. They've been the only country to land a powerful invasion force in Eire/England and they did it several times.

Lord Joseph: Nope I'm not going to change the rules I've set up for the game. No asking for a white peace.:)

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Hmmm, difficult decision. I'm glad I don't have to make it...:D

As for Scotland: I would wait until their alliance with France expires (hopefully it does). But still, 40,000? Uh-uh.
 

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Originally posted by Sorcerer
Hmmm, difficult decision. I'm glad I don't have to make it...:D

As for Scotland: I would wait until their alliance with France expires (hopefully it does). But still, 40,000? Uh-uh.

Ah but that old ploy of waiting for an alliance to expire doesn't work anymore. With EU II 1.03 if I attack Scotland when the alliance expires there is nothing to stop France from rejoining the alliance and they then join in the war against me. So I'm going to have to be ready to take on Scotland and France at the same time if I decide to try to absorb Scotland. I think I have some years of planing and plotting ahead of me.:)

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Uh, silly me. I'm still only versed in the old EU ways. I have to wait till March 28th to learn the new ways of the Force...:rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Storey
At this time a question, which has been there for the last 20 or so years is becoming too large to ignore. What to do next? I have as I see it t three choices. First I could sit on my butt and delve into the mysteries of the cult of the thumb and stay in Eire. Nah doesn’t sound like much fun. Or, two I could keep capturing Anglia from one war to the next and get what’s left of England to give me more of its colonies so that I can create an over seas empire. Nah, too conventional. Or, three I can try to get a foothold somewhere in Europe and take on the big boys in their own back yard. Yea, that sounds like fun. There is a minor tiny Winnie little almost too small to notice problem to that idea. I still have only 6 ships in my navy. I have a manpower limit of seven and I’m falling behind in the tech race. Now for the bad news. I don’t have a plan on how to correct this situation. My best bet would be to take over Scotland. Since I no longer am part of their alliance and our relations are at the neutral level I could work on getting a CB against them and declaring war. Two minor problems with this brilliant plan. Scotland has 40,000 troops waiting at the border and they are still allied with France who has shown a perchance to land troops in England whenever it wants to. At least I know that I have to increase the size of my navy and improve my stability. What’s next? Well I haven’t decided.

Perhaps the solution lies in Africa and/or North America. If you can add colonial posessions and bring them up to speed, that will improve your MP and begin to increase your tech contributions. Once they reach sufficient levels you can come back and consider the Scotland/France situation.
 

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Originally posted by Sorcerer
Uh, silly me. I'm still only versed in the old EU ways. I have to wait till March 28th to learn the new ways of the Force...:rolleyes:

I think you'll find some significant differences that make for a harder time of it. In EU I if I had played Eire and had taken over England I know I would have devoured Scotland by now and be looking for my next victim in Europe. But in EU II its a son of a b***h in figuring out how to do it and survive. Next post will show you the problems I ran into. Hopefully it will be posted today.

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