Effects of being Uncivilized

[sbr]

Is there a list anywhere that shows all of the penalties an uncivilized country will have?

I have seen things strewn about the wiki, FAQs and manual but no one spot where it is all put together.

I know of 2

Uncivilized can only build irregular infantry
Some sort of research penalty

What are the rest?

 

[orimazd]

Can only declare colonial war, and can only do that to countries with adjacent territories.

 

[SeedSnatcher]

You also gain far less DI points.

 

[Orm]

Is there a list anywhere that shows all of the penalties an uncivilized country will have?

I have seen things strewn about the wiki, FAQs and manual but no one spot where it is all put together.

I know of 2

Uncivilized can only build irregular infantry
Some sort of research penalty

What are the rest?

In Revolutions uncivs can build native divisions which are better. The research penalty is -90% on RP gain.

 

[unmerged(76730)]

Also income is reduced greatly (like 50% or even more?). Workhour efficency also get a hit (10-20%?). Every time when you civilize it is easy to notice surge in plus for income and workhour efficency.

 

[Orm]

Also income is reduced greatly (like 50% or even more?).

I think it's the tax and tariff efficiencies that are reduced.

 

[unmerged(76730)]

I think it's the tax and tariff efficiencies that are reduced.

Which bring us back to word: income.

 

[Orm]

Which bring us back to word: income.

Well... yeah.

 

[sbr]

In Revolutions uncivs can build native divisions which are better. The research penalty is -90% on RP gain.

Native divisions are better than what? Irregulars?

 

[SeedSnatcher]

Yes, better than irregulars. They're like regular divisions, but with less reliability, IIRC.

 

[soldarin]

Can't increase RGOs either as unciv

 

[unmerged(81390)]

I'm quite sure that the rule about soldiers applied before Ricky

Quality
As an unciv, the only available quality is native (very bad reliability), civilized nations can choose between native (very bad reliability), colonial (low reliability) and regular (normal reliability).

Type
Any nation can build infantry, cavalry or dragoons, if they have the technology of Flintlock Guns (or something synonymous ). All uncivilized countries can also build irregulars. (Only irregulars if they lack the technology to build the others)

 

[jdrou]

Uncivilized can only build irregular infantry

Unciv can build irregulars (civs can't).
Unciv can only build native-quality units.

As Ahura Mazda posted, the ability to build unit types other than irregulars is just a matter of having the right tech.

 

[ArneHD]

No, I've seen China build infantry plenty of times, and I thought that colonial infantry had an increased reliability?

 

[unmerged(81390)]

No, I've seen China build infantry plenty of times, and I thought that colonial infantry had an increased reliability?

China starts with some infantry units, and maybe they've got Flintlock rifles

Colonials have more reliability then natives, but less then regulars

 

[jdrou]

No, I've seen China build infantry plenty of times, and I thought that colonial infantry had an increased reliability?

In Revolutions I believe they start with Flintlocks; in vanilla Victoria I don't think they did though. In any case, it has nothing to do with civilized status, just tech.

 

[Sarmatian]

I believe that you pay less for crime fighting and education when uncivilized, so one positive thing...

 

[sbr]

Only civilized nations get a mobilization pool correct?

 

[Orm]

Only civilized nations get a mobilization pool correct?

That's right.