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Originally posted by Mad King James
You're forgetting that because of the Treaty of Tortessillas, Portugal is the REAL owner of Brazil, anyone who posesses anything there is a claim jumper
Potuguese independence is 1640 or 1650's depending on whether you count the loss of Spanish control over Portugal or the peace treaty. So no Tordesillas.
I don't actually know what the cede province command does to owned provinces that are not controlled. There are a few possible solutions. I can make the intellectual argument that the French were the one's who had encouraged the Portugese revolt, so they would be happy to turn over their unowned conquests to their new best friend. OK, not ideal. The event could trigger only if Spain was at peace. No historical basis as the reason Portugal was able to revolt was that the Spanish were fully committed to wars in Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Catalonia. An event could give likely counties who are colony poaching (HOL, ENG, FRA) the option to make peace with Spain BEFORE the Portuguese revolt - or at least alert them that they have a month or Portugual will take back all it's colonies. No help for the AI unfortunately - and historically the Dutch in Pernebuc (sp) were a big issue.
Wasn't there a fair amount of discussion/ideas about these events in the old Hispania thread?
It was. These events are based on those discussions. I started with 40+ events and eventually axed it down to this. I'll try to post the events for review soon.
The events... First the Castillan:
Code:
# The coup of Enrique of Aragon (1420) #
event = {
id = 7101
random = no
country = CAS
name = "The coup of Enrique of Aragon"
desc = "In 1420 Fernando, brother of king Enrique III of Castile, was
chosen king of Aragon. He and his elder son Alfons did not interfere
in Castilian politics, but his younger sons Enrique and Juan kept the
Castilians lands of the family. In 1420 Enrique, tired of the predominant
influence of his brother, assaulted the royal residence and seized the
king. Eventually the king escaped, and Enrique was imprisoned."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1420 }
offset = 300
action_a = { # #
name = "This is outrageous!"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
}
}
# The King's Constable (1423) #
event = {
id = 7102
random = no
country = CAS
name = "The kings Constable"
desc = "In 1423 King Juan II appointed his childhood friend Álvaro de Luna
as Constable, and empowered him with the government of the kingdom. He was
very able, but was not liked by the nobility. His governmentship was tainted
by numerous rebellions agains his growing power, as the nobility feared the
increasing power of de Luna. Who do we appoint?"
style = 1
date = { day = 0 month = january year = 1423 }
action_a = { #Appoint Alvaro de Luna#
name = "Appoint Álvaro de Luna"
command = { type = ADM which = 2 value = 360 }
command = { type = DIP which = 2 value = 360 }
command = { type = MIL which = 2 value = 360 }
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 360 value = 6 }
}
action_b = { #Appoint a less controversial candidate#
name = "Appoint a less controversial (but less able) constable"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = sleepleader which = 08580 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 3557 }
}
}
# Civil War in Castile (1438) #
# (in old file - event 3557) #
# The fall of Álvaro de Luna (1453)#
event = {
id = 7103
random = no
country = CAS
name = "The fall of Álvaro de Luna"
desc = "After the aging kings remarriage, the influence of Álvaro de Luna
diminished; the new queen hated him, prince Enrique, soon to be king Enrique
IV, hated him, the nobles hated him, and the king was old and near senility.
Finally de Luna was deposed, tried and beheaded by supposed treason."
style = 1
date = { day = 22 month = june year = 1453 }
action_a = { #Enough is enough!#
name = "Let them have his head"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
}
}
# The divorce of prince Enrique (1453) #
event = {
id = 7104
random = no
country = CAS
name = "The divorce of prince Enrique"
desc = "Prince Enrique married the infanta Blanca of Navarre, but after
years of union she was still a virgin. Enrique claimed that he only had
this problem with the queen and no other woman, while her supporters
claimed that he is just impotent. He presents several prostitutes that
claim that he is all that a woman can desire, her doctors that claim that
he is not physically able to... you know."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = november year = 1453 }
offset = 30
action_a = { # Divorce her #
name = "The divorce is a peerless scandal!"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = relation which = NAV value = -100 }
}
}
# The troubles of Enrique (1462-67) #
event = {
id = 7105
random = no
country = CAS
name = "The troubles of Enrique"
desc = "After his divorce from Blanca of Navarre Enrique IV married Juana
of Portugal. For many years they too were childless, and vicious rumors
were circulating about the king. Then, in 1462, the queen Joana gave birth
to a daughter: Joana. Factions of the nobility conspired agains the king,
and craved for his half-brother Alfonso as king. When the king announced
Juana as his heir these factions became more vocal, and evil tounges claim
that the king is not the father. She soon was nick-named 'la Beltraneja'
from the rumored father, Beltrao de la Cueva."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1462 }
offset = 30
action_a = { #Ouch!#
name = "What can we do?"
command = { type = stability value = -4 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 72 value = 6 }
}
}
# Anarchy in Castile (1465) #
event = {
id = 7106
random = no
country = CAS
name = "Anarchy in Castile"
desc = "The government of king Enrique IV has fallen so low that his
autorithy is barely recognized at all. Everywhere the nobles are at war
with each other and with the cities. The kingdom is falling into a state
of chaos. Some of the nobles have proclaimed Alfonso, still a kid, as king."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1465 }
offset = 30
action_a = { #Double ouch! #
name = "We are helpless..."
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 44 value = 4 }
}
}
# The pact of Guisando (1468) #
event = {
id = 7107
random = no
country = CAS
name = "The pact of Guisando"
desc = "In 1468 Alfonso became mysteriously ill, and died soon after. The
rebels had only two options left: Either accept Juana or support Isabel,
another half sibling of king Enrique and the favoured candidate from
Alfonso's faction. However, she rejected to be proclaimed queen while
Enrique IV was still alive. This left them no other option but to treat
with Enrique. In september 1468, in the pact of Guisando, Enrique discarded
his daughter as heir and accepted Isabel, ending the civil war. What will
you do?"
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = september year = 1468 }
offset = 30
action_a = { # Isabel#
name = "Proclaim Isabel as heir"
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = revoltrisk value = -5 }
command = { type = relation which = POR value = -100 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 71011 }
}
action_b = { # Juana#
name = "Keep supporting Juana"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 5 }
command = { type = relation which = POR value = 100 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 7108 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 71010 }
}
}
# Princess Isabel marries (1469)#
event = {
id = 7108
random = no
country = CAS
name = "Princess Isabel marries"
desc = "As part of the pact of Guisando, princess Isabel was to choose
husband herself, but subject to the approval of the king. However very
soon Enrique tried to arrange her matrimony with Afonso V, king of Portugal."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1469 }
offset = 300
action_a = { # Fernando#
name = "Isabel flees and marries Fernando, heir to the crown of Aragon"
command = { type = relation which = POR value = -150 }
command = { type = relation which = ARG value = 200 }
command = { type = trigger which = 7109 }
}
action_b = { # Afonso#
name = "Isabel accepts Afonso V of Portugal"
command = { type = relation which = POR value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -150 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 71010 }
}
action_b = { # None#
name = "Isabel decides not to marry"
command = { type = relation which = POR value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -50 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 71010 }
}
}
# The Pact of Guisando cancelled by Enrique! (1469)#
event = {
id = 7109
random = no
country = CAS
name = "Cancelling of the Pact of Guisando"
desc = "Following Isabel's marriage to Fernando agains his approval, a
furious Enrique cancelled the Pact of Guisando and reinstated his daughter
Juana as heir."
style = 1
action_a = { # We can not accept this! #
name = "Juana is the heir to Castile!"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 5 } #Continued revolts#
}
}
# Reconciliation of Isabel and Enrique (1474)#
event = {
id = 7110
random = no
country = CAS
name = "Reconciliation of Isabel and Enrique"
desc = "Seeing his end is near, king Enrique reconciles himself with Isabel."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1474 }
offset = 300
action_a = { # Great#
name = "Great!"
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = trigger which = 7401 }
}
}
# Reconciliation of Isabel and Enrique (1474)#
# If Juana was preferred at Guisando #
event = {
id = 7111
random = no
country = CAS
name = "Reconciliation of Isabel and Enrique"
desc = "Seeing his end near, and that his daughter Juana is too young to
marry and too opposed to rule alone, king Enrique reconciles himself with
Isabel."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1474 }
offset = 300
action_a = { # Great#
name = "Great!"
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = trigger which = 7401 }
}
}Then, the Aragonese:
Code:
# The death of Benedicto XIII (1423) #
# (Flavor event) #
event = {
id = 7201
random = no
country = ARG
name = "The death of Benedicto XIII"
desc = "With the death of Benedicto XIII in his fortress of
Peñiscola ends the great schism of the western church."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1423 }
offset = 300
action_a = { ##
name = "Ok"
command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 100 }
}
}
# Juan of Aragon inherits Navarra (1425) #
event = {
id = 7202
random = no
country = ARG
name = "Juan of Aragon inherits Navarra"
desc = "Juan, brother of king Alfons of Aragon, married a
Navarrese princess with the condition that, should the old
king Carlos die before his son Carlos of Viana comes of age,
he would be the new king until then. In 1425 his dream became
reality."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1425 }
action_a = { # #
name = "Excellent!"
command = { type = alliance which = NAV }
command = { type = relation which = NAV value = 400 }
}
}
# The Aragon Inheritance of Napoli (1443) #
# (from old file - event 3555) #
# The will of king Alfons (1458) #
# If Aragon own Napoli, or have them as vassals #
event = {
id = 7203
trigger = {
OR = {
vassal = { country = ARG country = NAP }
owned = { province = 393 data = -1 }
}
}
random = no
country = ARG
name = "The will of king Alfons"
desc = "At his death king Alfons left his new kingdom of Naples
to his son Fernando and his Aragonese inheritance to his brother
Juan, already king of Navarre."
style = 1
date = { day = 27 month = june year = 1458 }
action_a = { # Honor the will #
name = "Accepty the king's last will"
command = { type = independence which = NAP } #If they are annexed#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = NAP value = 394 } #If ARG have Apulia#
command = { type = breakvassal which = NAP }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = alliance which = NAP }
command = { type = relation which = NAP value = 400 }
}
action_b = { # Make Fernando swear vassalage to Juan #
name = "Make Fernando swear vassalage to Juan"
command = { type = independence which = NAP } #If they are annexed#
command = { type = secedeprovince which = NAP value = 394 } #If ARG have Apulia#
command = { type = vassal which = NAP }
command = { type = alliance which = NAP }
command = { type = relation which = NAP value = 400 }
}
}
# The two crowns (1458) #
event = {
id = 7204
random = no
country = ARG
name = "The two crowns"
desc = "At the death of king Alfons the two crowns of Navarra and
Aragon were united when Juan, already king of Navarre, also became
king of Aragon"
style = 1
date = { day = 27 month = june year = 1458 }
action_a = { # #
name = "Ok"
command = { type = vassal which = NAV }
command = { type = relation which = NAV value = 200 }
}
}
# Civil war in Aragon and Navarre (1461-72) #
event = {
id = 7205
random = no
country = ARG
name = "Civil war!"
desc = "Civil war has been raging in Aragon and Navarre since
the death of prince Carlos. The Generalitat in Catalonia
rejects to swear king Juan and offers the crown to Enrique of
Castile. He had not the guts to accept, but the countries are
still in chaos."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1461 }
offset = 300
action_a = { ##
name = "We are helpless..."
command = { type = stability value = -4 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 144 value = 6 }
}
}
# Demands from the Cortes #
# (Random event) #
event = {
id = 7206
random = yes
country = ARG
name = "Clash with the Cortes"
desc = "The parliaments of Aragon, Valencia and Catalonia, the
Cortes, had strong influence. Among other things they had the
right to accept or reject new kings. From time to time they also
demanded concessions from the king."
style = 0
action_a = { #Refuse#
name = "Refuse the demands"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
}
action_b = { #Concede#
name = "Concede"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
}
}And, at last, Navarra and Portugal:
Now... Any comments?
Code:
# Civil war in Aragon and Navarre (1461-72) #
event = {
id = 7301
random = no
country = NAV
name = "Civil war!"
desc = "Civil war has been raging in Aragon and Navarre since
the death of prince Carlos. Now, Blanca of Navarra have ceded
her right to the throne to Enrique of Castile. He had not the
guts to accept, but the countries are still in chaos."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1461 }
offset = 300
action_a = { #Ouch!#
name = "We are helpless..."
command = { type = stability value = -4 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 144 value = 6 }
}
}
Code:
#Support Juana (1474)#
event = {
id = 7401 #Triggered by CAS 7110 or 7111#
random = no
country = POR
name = "The succession in Castile"
desc = "With the reconciliation of king Enrique and his sister
Isabel Juana, niece of king Afonso, has been deprived her
birthright and lost the crown of Castile. How should we react?"
style = 1
action_a = { #Support Juana#
name = "Support Juana"
command = { type = casusbelli which = CAS value = 60 }
command = { type = relation which = CAS value = -200 }
}
action_b = { #Forget it#
name = "This is none of our business..."
command = { type = relation which = CAS value = 100 }
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
}
}Now... Any comments?
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I am really sorry. But I am super worked out. I am going to have to surrender on this thread. I am flooded in work for school (I am about to graduate). Maybe in a month or two, I can handle this big project. I just dont have the time. If Havard wishes to take over the ideas and concepts in this thread and use them, I would like to pass the torch to him. Otherwise, you guys can continue discussion on Spain and work out some Spanish events yourselves. I am truly sorry, but I am too ambitious for my own good. I bit off more than I could chew. I am sorry.
This event doesn't quite work. There are two problems:
- Breakvassal doesn't always work. I seem to recall reading somewhere it only works when called by the vassal, not the liege.
- If Aragon owns Naples, then the only effect of the event is to grant them independence (in the single province of Napoli only), and increase stability (if choice A is taken). The root cause here is that, as far as I can tell, the decisions whether to exclude given commands from an action_X list are made simultaneously, without taking previous commands in the list into account. Thus, all the commands in which NAP appears other than independence are ignored, since it doesn't exist yet.
Code:
7203A: command = { type = independence which = NAP }
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = relation which = NAP value = 400 } # If Naples already independent
command = { type = trigger which = 997204 }
command = { type = trigger which = 997205 }
7203B: command = { type = independence which = NAP }
command = { type = vassal which = NAP } # If Naples already independent
command = { type = relation which = NAP value = 400 } # If Naples already independent
command = { type = trigger which = 997204 }
997204: command = { type = secedeprovince which = NAP value = 394 } #If ARG have Apulia#
command = { type = alliance which = NAP }
997205: command = { type = breakvassal which = ARG }
I thought that the two did receive quite different treatment historically...
After Philip was declared king of Portugal, he decreed that his new realm would be governed by a six-member Portuguese council; that the Portuguese cortes would meet only in Portugal; that all civil, military, and ecclesiastical appointments would remain Portuguese; and that the language, judicial system, coinage, and military would remain autonomous. Philip supported the two institutions in Portugal that he believed might unite the two countries: the Jesuits and the Inquisition.
I don't see the problem with having Portugal vassalized instead of annexed. In fact, for a human player, the forced vassalization rather than the game-ending forced annexation seems the better route. I also think Portugal should be force-allied with Spain via the same event to hopefully cause overseas trouble and war/loss of colonies as happened historically.
Good call.
I remember I had some problems with Naples... It's two-three months since I wrote those events, and I forgot. I'll make some changes for these events.
What do you think about the rest? The main idea was to cause some major instability to Castile and Aragon to avoid the easy fare the first 100 years as they get now
There were quite some rough days back then...
I am not good at picking up scripting faults,
but in general, the events look accurate, well written, and interesting. Looks great
but in general, the events look accurate, well written, and interesting. Looks great
My only concern is that things may have become too rough for the AI. In my current GC, the only one I've only played with these events in so far, Aragon lost Messina, Sicily, and Sardinia to independence, Malta defected to the Knights, and Rousillon and Gerona through war to Portugal; Granada is still independent in 1540, and the Ottomans hold Gibraltar and Murcia. Oof.
Aragon's troubles, at least, are probably due to 7301 being for Aragon instead of Navarre, as I think was intended (since it's otherwise a duplicate of 7205). The troubles in south Spain will probably need more testing, especially since the AI Ottomans have been doing uncommonly well in this run. (They took Constantinople in 1425, the Balkans up to Croatia, Banat, and Wallachia by 1460, annexed the Mamluks in 1502, and diploannexed the Hedjaz and Algiers shortly after the scripted vassalizations.)
Aragon's troubles, at least, are probably due to 7301 being for Aragon instead of Navarre, as I think was intended (since it's otherwise a duplicate of 7205). The troubles in south Spain will probably need more testing, especially since the AI Ottomans have been doing uncommonly well in this run. (They took Constantinople in 1425, the Balkans up to Croatia, Banat, and Wallachia by 1460, annexed the Mamluks in 1502, and diploannexed the Hedjaz and Algiers shortly after the scripted vassalizations.)
One reason why it is a bit on the rough side now is that the way revoltrisk is handled has been slightly changed. I think maybe the revoltrisks should be reduced a bit.
I never noticed that Aragon got both civil wars -8 stab and a revoltrisk of 12 IS a bit on the rough side...
I did several runs on these when I wrote them, but since some things are changed since then (handling of revoltrisk, defections) they need some tweaking.
I never noticed that Aragon got both civil wars
-8 stab and a revoltrisk of 12 IS a bit on the rough side... I did several runs on these when I wrote them, but since some things are changed since then (handling of revoltrisk, defections) they need some tweaking.
If Aragon is getting +100 with PAP because of the end of the schism it seems to me they ought to start with bad relations because of the schism. -50 maybe?
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My understanding (and I'm no expert) is that the difference were more formal than real. As far as I remember the Aragonese councils were always staffed by locals until Phillip IV, although there was no formal commitment that this would be the case. The language and judiciary were definitely seperate from Castille. I believe the coinage and military were kept seperate - wasn't there an aragonese squadron in the Armada? After 1640 things changed dramatically - but after 1640 Portugal was independent. The human can always choose vassalage over inheritance, and a human Aragon has the same problem.
Anyway I think the discussion isn't helpful as I've worked out a fatal flaw in my proposed solution. Transferring all the colonies back to Portugal is trivial, but it will give portugal a horrendous BB and make it's independence short lived. I still find the current solution unsatisfactory and unfair to Aragon, but I see no solution that isn't worse. (Thanks Txini for pointing out the issue with Naples.)
My apologies, the arrangement with Aragon does sound remarkably like that of Portugal duing the "Spanish Captivity". I think Castilians began to be appointed in the cortes of Portugal after the time of Philip II.
Just asking,
Not sure how Aragon is set up, but by the sound of things, I wonder how people would feel about keeping Aragon with a vassal status for longer rather than outright annexation? Would that be desireable or appropriate? When do the event files have Aragon annexed by Spain?
Not sure how Aragon is set up, but by the sound of things, I wonder how people would feel about keeping Aragon with a vassal status for longer rather than outright annexation? Would that be desireable or appropriate? When do the event files have Aragon annexed by Spain?
The problem with this solution is that it doesn't allow for Spanish involvement in Italy, because the Spanish territories there are Aragonese. If there is to be any chance of the historical outcome to the Italian Wars (Spain takes effecitive control of Italy) these territories must be Spanish. As it is the wars of Ferdinand I won't really come off as the inheritance hasn't taken place yet.
I can rationalize the difference in the treatment of Aragon in that there is a difference of degree in the way Portugal was handled, and I believe that Olivares pushed the Aragonese harder than the Portuguese. It's ugly, but I think it's the best of several bas options.