EEP Scandinavia (part deux)

[Arilou]

EEP Scandinavia (former EEP Sweden)

Anywone actually thought of remaking the "unionsrådet" into several actual monarchs? (at least KKB and a few others ought to be in) I realize taht would make for a lot of monarchs (at least three of which are the same person ) but still... In general I think Sweden in the 15th century needs more events, mostly to keep it from eating Novgorod alive.

Anyway: The Monarchs would be: Erik of Pommern (same worse stats than the danish version) Death 1439
(Union council for three years)
Christoffer of Bavaria 1441-1448. Should have pretty decent administrative skills (he DID compile a Common Law that would serve as the basis for all laws for a few hundred years... That could perhaps be simulated by an event)
Karl Knutsson Bonde: 1448-1457. (first term)
Kristian I 1457-1463
KKB again 1463-1465. (second term)
Union Council (Or Kristian I, not sure which one it would be)
KKB again (third term) 1467-1470.
Sten Sture D.Ä. (pretty good administrative skills, good military skills) 1470-1497
Hans (Johan II) 1497-1501
Sten Sture D.Ä. 1501-1503
Svante Nillson (1504-1512)
Sten Sture D.Y. (1512-1520) (the trial of Trolle ought to be an event.)
Kristian II (1520-1521)

 

[Sute]{h]

I wouldn't object at giving Sweden more monarchs, but it really doesn't make or break my games. One the other hand more events are always cool. Preventing Sweden from conquering Novgorod would be desirable, but havn't been a problem i the last couple of games I played. In one Sweden where eliminated by a alliance between Denmark and Muscowy and in the other they conquered Holland, Oldenburg and Tunesia instead. Quite annoying since I was planning on conquering Holland myself and I'm on good terms with the Swedish.

Generally I would like more events for all the Scandinavian countries (made a few Greenland ones for denmark/norway myself). And especially for the Kalmer Union which could very easily have dominated northern europe had it remained united.

 

[Arilou]

Originally posted by Sute]{h
I wouldn't object at giving Sweden more monarchs, but it really doesn't make or break my games. One the other hand more events are always cool. Preventing Sweden from conquering Novgorod would be desirable, but havn't been a problem i the last couple of games I played. In one Sweden where eliminated by a alliance between Denmark and Muscowy and in the other they conquered Holland, Oldenburg and Tunesia instead. Quite annoying since I was planning on conquering Holland myself and I'm on good terms with the Swedish.

Generally I would like more events for all the Scandinavian countries (made a few Greenland ones for denmark/norway myself). And especially for the Kalmer Union which could very easily have dominated northern europe had it remained united.

The problem is that I suck at writing the actual events :O

I was thinking of modifying the Dacke Revolt slightly:

Option A) Crush the revolt (as default)
Option B) Negotiate with Dacke. -taxvalue for Småland (probably would have resulted in Dacke becoming the ruler of Småland) Småland converts to catholic (Dacke was very much against the reformation) and -to centralization.

Also, I think that many of the 15th century events the "historical" option should be to resume (if it was broken) the vassalage with Denmark. (In that case the unhistorical "End of the Kalmar Union" Event should probably be scrapped and only the historical one kept, and then the vassalization could be broken and removed a few times now and then) Especially I'd like to see an event concerning Christian II (Hans/Christian II (can't remember which one of them) is deposed, Svante Sture becomes monarch, Sten Sture becomes monarch, the Trial of Trolle (Alliteration!) Christian conquers Stockholm (probably better represented by even than anything else) the Bloodbath...

 

[Sute]{h]

I'm not a master scripter myself, but if you write the description and effects you desire for your events, I could have a go at them.

As to the Kalmer Union my historical data is somewhat lagging. Would like to keep the AI playing a scandinavian country to the historical path (the union ends in 1523), but give a player the opputunity to extend the union or recreate it by diplomatic or military means should one desire to do so. Also I would like the option that the union could actually centralize and unite even futher (lead to a one-nation scandinavia).

 

[Arilou]

Such events would indeed be interesting

I'll have to re-read my history books though... And check through some EEP and EU2 events...

I would still like to see the "early" End of the Kalmar Union event scrapped (or at least redone so that it only fires after certain events, not simply when the vassalage is broken (since the vassalage could be reformed before 1523, either through events or regular means)

 

[Arilou]

First of all Modifications to the Kalmar Recess: If Sweden gains a monarch list of it's own then breaking the agreement would make Sten Sture D.Ä. monarch, honoring it would make Hans and then Christian II monarch directly. (IE: Sten Sture D.ä. is set asleep, as well as the other of the "Stures".)

Trial of Trolle Event:
Date: 1517
Prerequisites (If possible) that Sten Sture D.Y. is monarch (or if it can be simulated some other way)
Description: "Gustav Trolle was the Archbishop of Sweden and a clearly pro-union politician. He was one of the richer men in Sweden and his castle (Stäket) was situated strategically between Stockholm and Bergslagen, and could thus in the event of war be used to prevent reinforcements from arriving that way. In addittion to this the struggle between Sture and Trolle a matter of land and riches, 1517 the swedish Riksdag therefore decided to remove the bishop from his position and raze his castle, even though this was something that only the Pope was allowed to do. Trolle's removal was the reason cited for the Bloodbath of Stockholm.

Option A: Remove Trolle and raze his castle.
+100 ducats
Taxvalue in Svealand up +1 (the bishops lands returned to the Crown)
Centralization +1
Fortress in Svealand -1
Stability -1
Relations with Papal States -200
Relations with Denmark -200
(Breakvassal with Denmark if Sweden somehow is a vassal)

Option B: Let Trolle Remain Archbishop.
Stability +2
Relations with Papal States +50
Centralization -1
Sleep the Stockholm's Bloodbath event.

Option C: Appoint Trolle as Riksföreståndare (pretty unlikely but hey!)
Relations with Denmark +200
Become Vassals of Denmark (if union was broken)
Militay Alliance with DenmarkS
Stability -4
Revolt risk +4 for 36 months.
Sleep the Stockholm's Bloodbath Event.


Battle of Åsunden
Fires: 1520
Prerequisites. Sweden is NOT a vassal of Denmark
Description: "At the Battle of Åsunden's Ice Kristian II defeated the swedish army under Sten Sture D.Y's command. Sture was fatally wounded during the battle and died soon afterwards. Within a few months most of Sweden was in the hands of King Christian"

Option: "Curses!"
Sweden is made a vassal of Denmark
Stability -1
Relations with Denmark: +200
Trigger event for Denmarkwith same description)
Stability +1
Trigger the Bloodbath Event.

Stockholm's Bloodbath event:
(should probably be a prerequisite for the "historical" End of the Union event, if Sweden is a vassal of Denmark in 1523 (or perhaps later) A "Sweden is subjugated" event fires, if not the End of the Kalmar Union event fires, put that in eventspeak somehow )

(event for Denmark)
Prerequisite: Trolle was removed.
Sweden is a vassal of Denmark
Fires: 7th November 1520
Description: "The fourth of November 1520 King Christian II was crowned as King of Sweden, having promised amnesty for any and all that opposed him he had invitited a large part of the Sture-party to his coronation. Suddenly, the 7th of November, King Christian summoned the nobles to the Great Hall, where he proceeded to accuse them of Heresy and conspiracy against the True Church, the reason for this was the removal of Trolle). Trolle himself demanded that he be repaid for the destruction of his castle and his removal. Sten Sture's Widow, Kristian Gyllenstierna, however, made the fatal mistake of showing king Christian the list of the names of the people who had signed the document of Trolles removal. Christian took the opportunity, and declared all the involved (except Hans Brask, the Bishop of Skara) to be heretics and enemies of the Church, a few days later the executions began, it is estimated that between 60 and 90 noblemen were executed, and many more burghers and regular Stockholmers."

Option A: Execute the Traitors!
Centralization +1
Stability -3
(Triggers "the "Executed!" Event for Sweden)
Relations with the papacy: +100

Triggers event for sweden, describing the bloodbath and adding the following effects:
"This is an outrage! Let us drive the Danes away!"
Stability +1
Gain 5000 men in Bergslagen (Gustav's army)
Break Vassalage with Denmark
War with Denmark
Relations with Denmark -400
Aristocracy -2

Option b for Denmark: Let us only demand what is Trolle's due.
Stability -1
+200 ducats
relations with the papacy +50

Option C: Let them be.
Relations with Sweden +100

Hope you ge the general gist of what I'm trying to do

 

[Arilou]

I'm not really sure what should happen to Norway if these events are considered...


Subjugation of Sweden event:
Startdate: 1520
Deathdate: 1523
Prerequisite: Sweden is a vassal of Denmark, the Bloodbath event has fired.
"After a bloody war the danish monarchs quelled the swedish rebellion, the people that the danes appointed to rule Sweden would face great troubles ahead however."

"Excellent!"
+2 Stab
+1 Centralization
Relations with Sweden +400

(triggers event for Sweden)
"Rebellions"
"Even after the majority of the swedish resistance had been crushed by the danes, various noblemen, peasant uprisings and partisans plagued the authorities that ruled in the name of the Union. This would prove troublesome for years to come."
Stability -3
3 random revolts
Revoltrisk changed by +6 in all provinces for 5 years.



Some ten-to-twenty years later:
"Centralization of the Kalmar Union"
Prerequisites: Sweden and Norway (?) are vassals of Denmark
"After ruling the union quietly for many years, the monarchs initated a drive of centralization and consolidation of their three kingdoms. The result depends on you."

Option A): Integrate Norway and Sweden into Denmark.
Gains cores on all swedish and norwegian provinces
Stability -2
Revoltrisk i swedish and norwegian provinces +10 for 2 years.
Inherit Sweden and Norway ( this of course depends on how norway is handled)
Centralization +4
(should perhaps also tirgger events in Norway and Sweden that prompts them to accept annexation)

Option B) Form a New Union
Centralization -1
Create a new nation: Kalmar Union which has cores on all scandinavian lands. And that inherits sweden and norway)
Relations with most german states + Russia, Netherlands and Poland -200

Option C: Let all remain as it was
Stability +3
Relations with most surrounding lands +100


However, I'm not sure that the EEPdudes would accept a tag being used for the Kalmar Union. The proposal has been up before you know.

 

[Sute]{h]

I know Crook for one where against using a tag on the Kalmer Union. Which considering the very limited amount of tags is understandable. Futher a centralized union would properly be centralized under one of the countries, not a union of equal countries.

I made some event for creating a Kalmer Union a couple of months ago, but only for Denmark, since I found it the most realistic center of a union. I see two way to union could be formed:

1 Denmark (perhaps Sweden, don't quite know their perspective on the union) owns every Scandinavian capital plus no other Scandinavian country exists within 50 years or so of the unions historical demise. I figure that if more time lapses they union would be stone dead. This could be accomplised by diplo-annexations or forced-annexation.

2 Denmark manages to keep Norway and Sweden as vassal because Sweden chooses never to break the union. This would lead to a kind of natural evolution of the union by events.

I like some of your event ideas, but they are kind of hard to get a general view of. How many and which of them as strictly historical? And how would they fit into the existing events. Which existing events would have to be modified and would some have to be removed completely?

I think some of the relation modifiers are perhaps to severe. As to the "Battle at Åsunden" we could make it trigger if Denmark manages to conquer the province where Åsunden lies. That would make it more dynamic and integrated in the game. I mean if Sweden is kicking Denmarks ass it would be unrealistic is this event fired.

EDIT: BTW. do you have any idea of which stats your proposed monarchs should have?

 

[Arilou]

Originally posted by Sute]{h
I know Crook for one where against using a tag on the Kalmer Union. Which considering the very limited amount of tags is understandable. Futher a centralized union would properly be centralized under one of the countries, not a union of equal countries.

I made some event for creating a Kalmer Union a couple of months ago, but only for Denmark, since I found it the most realistic center of a union. I see two way to union could be formed:

1 Denmark (perhaps Sweden, don't quite know their perspective on the union) owns every Scandinavian capital plus no other Scandinavian country exists within 50 years or so of the unions historical demise. I figure that if more time lapses they union would be stone dead. This could be accomplised by diplo-annexations or forced-annexation.

2 Denmark manages to keep Norway and Sweden as vassal because Sweden chooses never to break
the union. This would lead to a kind of natural evolution of the union by events.

I like some of your event ideas, but they are kind of hard to get a general view of. How many and which of them as strictly historical? And how would they fit into the existing events. Which existing events would have to be modified and would some have to be removed completely?

I think some of the relation modifiers are perhaps to severe. As to the "Battle at Åsunden" we could make it trigger if Denmark manages to conquer the province where Åsunden lies. That would make it more dynamic and integrated in the game. I mean if Sweden is kicking Denmarks ass it would be unrealistic is this event fired.

EDIT: BTW. do you have any idea of which stats your proposed monarchs should have?

Åsunden lies in Småland I believe... (that would be Småland province on the EU2 map, not really sure where it is in reality... Somwhere down south )

The stats of the monarchs: I'd make them average mostly, perhaps a bit better in some areas, but no one good.

(for most of the "common" monarchs you could simply use the danish ones)

KKB: I'd make him less-than-average administrative, slightly better than average militarily and regular diplomatic.

Sten Sture D.Ä. would be good administrative and military and worse diplomatic.

Same for Sten Sture D.y.

Svante Nillson ought to be about average. He didn't actually do much from what I remember.

All of my events in the first post are historical (as in: They actually happened) Not all options are historical though, and all the other events are fantasy.

 

[Sute]{h]

Originally posted by Arilou
Trial of Trolle Event:
Date: 1517
Prerequisites (If possible) that Sten Sture D.Y. is monarch (or if it can be simulated some other way)
Description: "Gustav Trolle was the Archbishop of Sweden and a clearly pro-union politician. He was one of the richer men in Sweden and his castle (Stäket) was situated strategically between Stockholm and Bergslagen, and could thus in the event of war be used to prevent reinforcements from arriving that way. In addittion to this the struggle between Sture and Trolle a matter of land and riches, 1517 the swedish Riksdag therefore decided to remove the bishop from his position and raze his castle, even though this was something that only the Pope was allowed to do. Trolle's removal was the reason cited for the Bloodbath of Stockholm.

Option A: Remove Trolle and raze his castle.
+100 ducats
Taxvalue in Svealand up +1 (the bishops lands returned to the Crown)
Centralization +1
Fortress in Svealand -1
Stability -1
Relations with Papal States -200
Relations with Denmark -200
(Breakvassal with Denmark if Sweden somehow is a vassal)

Option B: Let Trolle Remain Archbishop.
Stability +2
Relations with Papal States +50
Centralization -1
Sleep the Stockholm's Bloodbath event.

Option C: Appoint Trolle as Riksföreståndare (pretty unlikely but hey!)
Relations with Denmark +200
Become Vassals of Denmark (if union was broken)
Militay Alliance with DenmarkS
Stability -4
Revolt risk +4 for 36 months.
Sleep the Stockholm's Bloodbath Event.

Am I correct in assuming that this is going to be the first breaking of the Kalmer Union? As I understand it this was a direct reason for war with denmark. When was said war declared and was it declared by Denmark or Sweden?

If this is the first event regrading the existance of the union then Sweden like likely be vassals of Denmark and in military alliance with Denmark when this event triggers.

Originally posted by Arilou
Battle of Åsunden
Fires: 1520
Prerequisites. Sweden is NOT a vassal of Denmark
Description: "At the Battle of Åsunden's Ice Kristian II defeated the swedish army under Sten Sture D.Y's command. Sture was fatally wounded during the battle and died soon afterwards. Within a few months most of Sweden was in the hands of King Christian"

Option: "Curses!"
Sweden is made a vassal of Denmark
Stability -1
Relations with Denmark: +200
Trigger event for Denmarkwith same description)
Stability +1
Trigger the Bloodbath Event.

As I stated earlier this should only trigger if Sweden and Denmark is in a war, and Denmark controls Småland. And how about that triggers a Swedish event that allows Sweden to make a peace offering instead. That peace offering event would trigger an event for Denmark in which Denmark can accept Sweden back as vassals or continue the war. Ohh... and it shouldn't trigger the Bloodbath Event, rather the Bloodbath Event shouldn't happen if this event hasn't fired. That way the Bloodbath Event wont happen the second you accept the outcome of this event.

Originally posted by Arilou
Stockholm's Bloodbath event:
(should probably be a prerequisite for the "historical" End of the Union event, if Sweden is a vassal of Denmark in 1523 (or perhaps later) A "Sweden is subjugated" event fires, if not the End of the Kalmar Union event fires, put that in eventspeak somehow )

(event for Denmark)
Prerequisite: Trolle was removed.
Sweden is a vassal of Denmark
Fires: 7th November 1520
Description: "The fourth of November 1520 King Christian II was crowned as King of Sweden, having promised amnesty for any and all that opposed him he had invitited a large part of the Sture-party to his coronation. Suddenly, the 7th of November, King Christian summoned the nobles to the Great Hall, where he proceeded to accuse them of Heresy and conspiracy against the True Church, the reason for this was the removal of Trolle). Trolle himself demanded that he be repaid for the destruction of his castle and his removal. Sten Sture's Widow, Kristian Gyllenstierna, however, made the fatal mistake of showing king Christian the list of the names of the people who had signed the document of Trolles removal. Christian took the opportunity, and declared all the involved (except Hans Brask, the Bishop of Skara) to be heretics and enemies of the Church, a few days later the executions began, it is estimated that between 60 and 90 noblemen were executed, and many more burghers and regular Stockholmers."

Option A: Execute the Traitors!
Centralization +1
Stability -3
(Triggers "the "Executed!" Event for Sweden)
Relations with the papacy: +100

Triggers event for sweden, describing the bloodbath and adding the following effects:
"This is an outrage! Let us drive the Danes away!"
Stability +1
Gain 5000 men in Bergslagen (Gustav's army)
Break Vassalage with Denmark
War with Denmark
Relations with Denmark -400
Aristocracy -2

Option b for Denmark: Let us only demand what is Trolle's due.
Stability -1
+200 ducats
relations with the papacy +50

Option C: Let them be.
Relations with Sweden +100

Hope you ge the general gist of what I'm trying to do

I really do like this more dynamic chain of events between the Scandinavian nations. Perhaps you should rename the thread to EEP Scandinavia since all of the Scandinavian countries are going to be involved somehow.

 

[Arilou]

Originally posted by Sute]{h
Am I correct in assuming that this is going to be the first breaking of the Kalmer Union? As I understand it this was a direct reason for war with denmark. When was said war declared and was it declared by Denmark or Sweden?

Well, technically it wasn't a war. Since Sweden was not (technically) an independent nation (or rather it was, but it was a rebellion against the legally accepted Swedish King (Christian II) So it wasn't really a "declaratioN" of war, and in that case the "declaration" actually came afew years earlier, it was just that Trolle's removal spurred King Christian to act.

If this is the first event regrading the existance of the union then Sweden like likely be vassals of Denmark and in military alliance with Denmark when this event triggers. [/B]

Yes, probably. Although I've seen them break it often. I'm not sure if this should be the FIRST breakaway event either.

As I stated earlier this should only trigger if Sweden

and Denmark is in a war, and Denmark controls Småland. And how about that triggers a Swedish event that allows Sweden to make a peace offering instead. That peace offering event would trigger an event for Denmark in which Denmark can accept Sweden back as vassals or continue the war. Ohh... and it shouldn't trigger the Bloodbath Event, rather the Bloodbath Event shouldn't happen if this event hasn't fired. That way the Bloodbath Event wont happen the second you accept the outcome of this event.[/B]

Yes, I'm sure you're right.

I really do like this more dynamic chain of events between the Scandinavian nations. Perhaps you should rename the thread to EEP Scandinavia since all of the Scandinavian countries are going to be involved somehow. [/B]

Not sure if I can, but i'll try

 

[Arilou]

It appears it is impossible to rename threads

 

[unmerged(1302)]

Originally posted by Arilou
It appears it is impossible to rename threads

PM Havard

 

[Sute]{h]

OK. When did the revolt against Christian begin? And when did the rigsråd begin too support it.

 

[Arilou]

Denmark's or Sweden's rigsråd?

Well, technically the war rebellion started already in 1501 when Sten Sture D.Ä. dethroned King Hans. However, the war sort of died off untill 1517 when Christian (Han's son and the duly accepted heir to the throne of sweden) attempted to invade, he was beaten this time though, but came back in 1520.

Note that Christian executed the entire swedish rigsråd (except for one) the danish rebellion that finally overthrew Christian did not start untill later (can't remember the exact year though)

 

[Sute]{h]

I meant when did the Swedish rigsråd begin their support of the revolt against Christian.

If I understand correctly, then the vassalisation of sweden should end by 1501. When Sten Sture D.Ä. dethrones Hans. Where there any supporters of Hans in Sweden (besides Trolle)? And what did they do to prevent the dethroning by Sten Sture D.Ä?

I figured I would start by making an event for Sweden where you can support Sten Sture D.Ä. or fight him.

 

[Arilou]

Well, you have to realize the political situation at the time. Sten Sture D.Ä. was supported by the commoners (who at this time were very dangerous militarily) and had quite a large support from his friends and family (of course) he had been forced to accept Hans as king, but he managed to gather enough support to be made Riksföreståndare, i assume there were all manners of rebellions and intrigues during this time but no one really major. A stab hit or two should represent the situation. Svante Nilsson (who was an enemy of the older Sten Sture) took over after his death, but from being an opponent to SS's politics he was more or lesse forced to adopt the same ones himself. His son changed name to Sten Sture (in order to win support from the commoners) and actually managed to keep a pretty good grip on the country till Christian kicked his arse.

Yes, that setup you described would probably be best.

 

[Sute]{h]

My lexicon mentions a conflict between Christian I and Sten Sture D.Ä. in 1471 at Brunkeberg. Do you what that was about? Seems to me that is the first sign of conflict since the Engelbreckt rebellions.

 

[Arilou]

Not really.

This part of history is very complicated and I'm no real expert but basically this is how it goes from Engelbrekt and forward:

Engelbrekt rebellion in combination with danish and swedish dissent against Erik of Pommern forces him to abdicate, he flees to Gotland where he stays as a pirate for quite some time, also, Stockholm and a few other cities' mostly german burghers support him, forming a brotherhod (the Victualie-brothers) who conduct piracy. Engelbrekt is murdered and Karl Knutsson Bonde is the most powerful man in Sweden.

Kristoffer of Bavaria is made king of Denmark and Sweden, he rules for quite a while. but when he dies the union dies temporarily. KKB is elected King in Sweden (and also in Norway) but he is ousted and replaced by various nobles (he is brought back twice for a total of three terms as king of an independent sweden) Kristian I finally manages to become accepted by some swedish noblemen. The parties in sweden after a time come down to the union-friendly nobles (often with relatives on both sides of the border, with the Axelsson-Tott family at the centre) against the nobles who see greater opportunity for themselves if they are independent, they usually gain support from the commoners in Dalarna because the danes repeatedly attempt to disrupt their iron-trade (as a tool in the danish king's wars against Hansan)

Sten Sture manages to usurp control over the Riksråd, Christian (I) decides that enough is enough and invades, but is defeated at Brunkeberg.

Later however Sten Sture faces pressure both internal and external and is forced to submit to King Hans, and also accept that Christian II is heir to the swedish throne.

However, Sten Sture breaks his word and regains control of Sweden, he dies and is replaced by his opponent Svante Nilsson (and then Sten Sture D.y., Svante's son)

Christian II makes another attempt but is defeated att Brännkyrka, a hostage exchange is arranged for negotiations, but Christian gets bored and departs with the hostages (among them are Hemming Gadh and a young man called Gustav Eriksson (Vasa))

Christian returns later on with his army, beats Sten Sture D.y. at Åsunden, with Sten Sture d.y. dead Stockholm capitulates, which makes christian Lord of the Land basically.

Everyone is granted pardon and amnesty, but afterwards he claims that the riksråd are heathens and heretics and executes bunch of nobles and commoners. He then returns to Denmark, after among other things having made plans for a trade-war against the Hansa.

At this time Gustav Eriksson has escaped (with the aid of ¨Lübeck) from his danish captivity, he manages to make his way to Dalarna and gather an army (the miners of Dalarna are not very enthusastic about christian's plans, they wish to keep trading as usual) Gustav's army moves down the country, takes several towns and several noblemen and others switch sides. Even Gustav Trolle is prepared to switch sides, but the peasants refuse to cooperate with him.

When Gustav controls around half/2/3rds of the country he gets news that Christian II has been deposed, replaced by his (uncle?) Fredrik I. Fredrik issues a proclamation as union-king, but after a while Gustav (who has no interest in having ANYONE rule him) and the Lübeckers who support him call a great Riksdag, after some time of debate and political maneueverings Gustav is elected king of Sweden.

 

[Sute]{h]

Hmm... quite a lot to consider there. I would suggest starting with Sten Sture D.Ä. His first claim at power seems to fail. While he remains leader of Sweden and beats Christian I, he doesn't win the support needed to expel the danes for good. However between 1471 and 1483 Sweden does seem to be independent. Considering that this is a long period we could create two series of events. One in 1471 signifying Christians loss (breaking vassalage and alliance, but giving a stability hit as the internal conflicts is building). The other in 1483 descriping Stures surrender to Hans (reforming vassalage and alliance, and giving decentralisation as Sture is force to listen to the nobles). The only problem is that if Sweden forms another alliance between the two event, they will not rejoin the original alliance with Denmark. However it isn't my feeling that Sweden aided Denmark especially in their foreign wars in this period. They were busy trying to keep independant.