I've just been looking through the web and I can't find any information on the rulers of Mazovia except that they were a branch of the Piast family that went extinct. Does anyone know where I can find names of these people?
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there seems to be a list at
http://www.hostkingdom.net/regindex.html
under the poland section but it seems to end at 1374 with Ziemowit IV the Elder which is before EU2 time by a few decades.
I looked back and you might want the listing for Czersk in the same area. It seems to be a part of Mazovia that continues beyond the other area. and that part goes until 1526 under Janus the third
http://www.hostkingdom.net/regindex.html
under the poland section but it seems to end at 1374 with Ziemowit IV the Elder which is before EU2 time by a few decades.
I looked back and you might want the listing for Czersk in the same area. It seems to be a part of Mazovia that continues beyond the other area. and that part goes until 1526 under Janus the third
My thanks for the site link. Odd how it was ruled by 4 people for 20 years. Will make creating monarchs a bit harder.
I put them (Mazovia's dukes) some times ago in this thread:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/f...3837&perpage=30&highlight=Czersk&pagenumber=2
You'll find there shields too.
http://www.europa-universalis.com/f...3837&perpage=30&highlight=Czersk&pagenumber=2
You'll find there shields too.
Seeing as you are in Poland do you have access to the history of the reigns of the Mazovian dukes, that is wether they were good administratively, diplomatically, and militarily?
I was thinking that the inheritance of Mazovia should be left up to the Mazovian nation. Option A would be to let Poland inherite the duchy which triggers the existing polish event, option B would be for Poland to rule Mazovia as a vassal led by a Sejym, and option C would be to stay independent led by a Sejym. B and C should probably up Aristocracy and Decentralization, C more so.
Mazovia should be included seeing as it exists in the GC for over a hundred years.
I was thinking that the inheritance of Mazovia should be left up to the Mazovian nation. Option A would be to let Poland inherite the duchy which triggers the existing polish event, option B would be for Poland to rule Mazovia as a vassal led by a Sejym, and option C would be to stay independent led by a Sejym. B and C should probably up Aristocracy and Decentralization, C more so.
Mazovia should be included seeing as it exists in the GC for over a hundred years.
You have Anna Radziwill as a regent. I'm assuming that Janusz III and Stanislaw were quite young. Were there any attempts by Anna to keep the throne and get rid of the children? Even if there wasn't we could add one in.
This would probably cause big stability hit and make relations with Poland suffer, Lithuania too? Did other nobles attempt to take the throne? The list of rulers for Czersk has three other people ruling with Conrad III. DId any of their houses try to seize power?
If anyone other then Janusz III is ruling in 1526 then Poland wouldn't inherit.
This would probably cause big stability hit and make relations with Poland suffer, Lithuania too? Did other nobles attempt to take the throne? The list of rulers for Czersk has three other people ruling with Conrad III. DId any of their houses try to seize power?
If anyone other then Janusz III is ruling in 1526 then Poland wouldn't inherit.
Did Stanislaw help or hinder Janusz III?
Should there be a monarch for Janusz III and Stanislaw 1519 - 1524 and then a monarch for Janusz III 1524 - 1526 or should there be a monarch Janusz III 1519 - 1526 with a minister effect for the first five years representing Stanislaw?
The second option is less clunky but the first is more accurate descriptively. Was Stanislaw killed by his brother? That could be an event where if you choose for Januisz not to do it the monarch of just him dosn't wake up.
I figure the more events that are done for Mazovia, the better the chance of it being included.
Should there be a monarch for Janusz III and Stanislaw 1519 - 1524 and then a monarch for Janusz III 1524 - 1526 or should there be a monarch Janusz III 1519 - 1526 with a minister effect for the first five years representing Stanislaw?
The second option is less clunky but the first is more accurate descriptively. Was Stanislaw killed by his brother? That could be an event where if you choose for Januisz not to do it the monarch of just him dosn't wake up.
I figure the more events that are done for Mazovia, the better the chance of it being included.
In history inheritance of Mazovia was not up to the "Mazovian nation". It was up to Poland king - his determination and army. One could add that there was a small diplomatic "turmoil" about it, as many monarchs tried their chances.
For Mazovian' nobles to pick independence meant to declare war against Poland with no chances at all.
No.
The rest of Mazovian prinicpalities were incorporated into Poland earlier: 1462, 1476 and 1495. EU map can't show it.
They ruled seperate parts of Mazovia and didn't compete.
Later this weekend I'll give some idea of three events for Mazovia.
While Mazovia might have had little choice in the matter as you say creating a duchy that has a built in death date is no fun to play. Brabant probably had little choice in becoming part of Burgundy but the game provides them one.
Options B and C for the inheritance event for Mazovia would cause an event for Poland and they should decide wether to start a war over it. That way your not totally screwed.
There should also be an event that lets Mazovia claim the name of Poland if Poland gets absorbed.
Options B and C for the inheritance event for Mazovia would cause an event for Poland and they should decide wether to start a war over it. That way your not totally screwed.
There should also be an event that lets Mazovia claim the name of Poland if Poland gets absorbed.
But GC must be changed with Masovia as vassal of Poland in 1419.
Historically in1526 there was no other option for this province and nobility of Masovia wanted to unite, but I love EU for changing history
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anyway Poland is weakened enough in GC and creating Duchy of Masovia should be connected to another changes (restoring Co in Danzig and so on) to balance it.
Historically in1526 there was no other option for this province and nobility of Masovia wanted to unite, but I love EU for changing history
.anyway Poland is weakened enough in GC and creating Duchy of Masovia should be connected to another changes (restoring Co in Danzig and so on) to balance it.
I made shields for Mazovia and we can just use Poland's flag.
Speaking of shieldsthe site mentioned with all those dynasties showed Danzig having the flag that EU1 used for the Hansiatic league. It also mentioned that it was an autonimus region. How autonimus was it?
We could use HSA to represent a Danzig revolter.
Speaking of shieldsthe site mentioned with all those dynasties showed Danzig having the flag that EU1 used for the Hansiatic league. It also mentioned that it was an autonimus region. How autonimus was it?
We could use HSA to represent a Danzig revolter.
Danzig were almost completely independent economically and was free with his domestic policies as long as it didn't threaten polish politics. The city was generally not allowed to conclude any foreign policies but there were many distinctions. There was a war In 1577 about privileges of the city. Agreement between Stefan Batory (king) and the city gave Danzig in fact status of autonomy in modern sense but it cannot applied as vassal in terms of EU.
Don't have the shields of Gdansk in mind. But as the Hanseatic league never had a shield I guess the one of Gdansk has been used in EU I instead of this missing shield.
Anyway it has been a big fault to implement the "Hanse" as a territorial state.
For Gdansk and Poland...I remember that the citizens at least swore an oath of allegiance to the Polish kings...but true...that's not vassalship in the EU sense