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Twoflower · Mar 17, 2003

They do, and also Napoli and Apulia, look at the end of the list.

unmerged(6159) · Mar 17, 2003

sorry.

Twoflower · Apr 1, 2003

Revamping the West

Having spent some thought on this, I would like to propose a changed setup for the three provinces in the northwest of Germany (Oldenburg, Münster and Kleve):
- the country Oldenburg should be removed from the game. Although the dynasty gained fame as Kings of Denmark, the actual County of Oldenburg was tiny and didn't do much throughout its history
- Münster is moved to the Oldenburg province. Although most of it was in the Münster province and that province is probably better for Münster, it covered also a huge part (about 40 percent; its share was definitely bigger than that of Oldenburg itself or of Ostfriesland) of the Oldenburg province. Concerning neighbour provinces, Oldenburg is even more accurate; the bishopric of Münster had a common border with Bremen and Friesland (like the Oldenburg province) while it had none with Zeeland and Hessen (like the Münster province)
- Kleve is moved to the Münster province, which gives it the badly needed connection with Geldre
- the new country of Berg (using the OLD tag) is created in the Kleve province, which is of course the purpose and greatest benefit of this whole thing. Jülich-Berg was a major player in the low Rhine region, involved in almost all conflicts in the area and its territory was bigger than that of Cologne and Kleve-Mark. Berg would get inherited by Kleve in 1511, making the United Duchies one of the strongest German countries, which is historical IMO, considering that they even dared to oppose the Hapsburgs on their own and fared quite well in the War of Geldrian Succession until Charles V used his North African army. After the extinction of Kleve in 1609, we would be able to represent the split of its territories between Brandenburg and Palatinate-Neuburg and the ensuing conflict; later Berg would pass to the Palatinate (1685) and Bavaria (1777); which I like since I was never satisfied with the complete absence of the Wittelsbachs in the Low Rhine area. Then in 1806 it could become independent again as Joachim Murad's Grand Duchy of Berg. Generally, I believe, Berg would be a more interesting country to play and add more to gameplay and game balance than Oldenburg.
I do realise that moving countries around and changing the function of a province entirely should generally be avoided, and having Münster in Oldenburg and Kleve in Münster might be confusing, however I think there is a good case for doing this. What do you think?

unmerged(6159) · Apr 2, 2003

I do like it however,
-Münster did in fact invade Zealand several times. No direct border, but it's awfully close, and the exact borders weren't particularly important.
-The loss of Oldenburg makes it harder to represent Hanover's growth. In the later scenarios (god forbid we should ever try to make them work) Hanover owns Oldenburg.

Still on balance I agree that Berg adds a lot to the game, and it would be a useful addition.

Twoflower · Apr 2, 2003

Hannover's second shield should and will be on Bremen instead of Oldenburg:

Code:

[COLOR=red]
#The electorate of Hannover
event = {
      id = 48040
      trigger = { NOT = { exists = BRE } }
      random = no
      country = HAN
      name = "The Electorate of Hannover"
      desc = "During his reign in the Calenberg part of Braunschweig-Lüneburg, Ernst August conducted an ambitious and determined policy, intending to rise to the ranks of the most powerful imperial princes. Since 1662 he was Prince Bishop of osnabrück and eventually he managed to inherit all possessions of the Lüneburg branch of Braunschweig, which secured a solid territorial base for his country that was further expanded by his successor's acquisition of the old archbishopric of Bremen. He maintained a strong standing army, conducted centralistic reforms and managed to introduce primogeniture, finally securing the country's unity. By successfully supporting him against the Ottomans and promising to always vote for the Habsburg candidate in imperial elections, he convinced Emperor Leopold to grant the electoral dignity to the house of Brunswick-Lüneburg that became thereafter known as the Electorate of Hannover."
      style = 3
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1692 }
      offset = 100
      
      action_a = {
               name = "Great"
               command = { type = vp value = 50 }
               command = { type = population which = -2 value = 10000 }
               command = { type = provincetax which = -2 value = 3 }
               command = { type = provincemanpower which = -2 value = 2 }
               command = { type = domestic which = centralisation value = 2 }
               command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 200 }
               [B] command = { type = addcore which = 336 }[/B]
                 }
}
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The Seeland argument was not supposed to be the primary reasoning, I was only trying to argue that moving it
to Oldenburg might even have advantages for Münster (and the big border it has with Hessen is really strange).
So do you like the idea?

Norrefeldt · Apr 2, 2003

Wouldn't this make the map rather messy, Kleves not in Kleves province, Münster not in it's province?

Twoflower · Apr 2, 2003

Yes, that's the obvious downside. Since EU2 1.06, Province.csv can be included in the moddir, so that we would be able to rename the provinces and move the cities around, however we cannot change the actual map and the province names written on it. Therefore it would be kinda confusing for people new to the concept, but I believe you can get used to it and the gameplay benefit of Berg more than compensates for that kinda messy look (that is geographically no less accurate than the current setup).

unmerged(6159) · Apr 2, 2003

Don't rename the provinces please. Xinjiang/Xinkiang is alredy too confusing. Province names MUST be the same as on the map or endless confusion will ensue.

Norrefeldt · Apr 2, 2003

Most people don't know enough history to enjoy the fact that it is more correct, but everyone can be annoyed by map/province name confusion.

Twoflower · Apr 2, 2003

Very well, then forget about it.

It's not only about making things more correct, but about making things work out better. If you prefer to slavishly stick to Paradox's map just for the sake of it, very well...

unmerged(6159) · Apr 2, 2003

I don't object to the country of Cleves being in Munster province and the country of Berg in the Kleves province. I do object to the province names Cleves on the map being called Berg in the game. That is much too confusing.

By the way we should flip Xinjiang back too. It's incredibly annoying.

Norrefeldt · Apr 2, 2003

If you can make it work any other way, do it. It would be OK if you removed the name Kleves or Munster, then it would be no confusion.

Twoflower · Apr 2, 2003

I do see your point, my apologies for my very enraged and unnecessary comment. However what do you mean with "removing the names"? Do you mean using province names that cannot be confused? Changing country names wouldn't seem too sensible, how should they be called if not Münster, Kleve and Berg?

Twoflower · Apr 2, 2003

So what about this:
the provinces keep their old names, only the cities of Münster (to Kleve) and Oldenburg (to Münster) are changed and their position is moved. That way all people will see the provinces as what they are called on the map, which is probably the only way to avoid a real mess. However, in the setup and the events, Kleve will for all purposes represent Jülich-Berg, Münster is Kleve-Mark-Ravensberg and Oldenburg Münster. The people who do care about this will understand it by looking at the country and city setup, while those who only look at Germany when they conquer it will still find the "right" (matching the map) province names in province information, statistics and peace negotiations.
To further clarify this, the setup could be explained and justified in the FAQ.

unmerged(6159) · Apr 2, 2003

The country of Cleves could be called Mark. No such possibility for Münster though. Not sure it's a great idea.

Twoflower · Apr 2, 2003

What is no great idea? Calling Kleve Mark? I agree about that. Let's just keep the names and hope everybody can discriminate between EU2 provinces (that everybody knows are incredibly screwed up) and their "role" (what they represent). I don't think this will be too confusing as soon as you get accustomed to it and everything is done consistently (nevertheless I will of course give in on this if majority is against).

unmerged(6159) · Apr 2, 2003

Yeah, I meant that calling Cleves Mark might not be a great idea.

Twoflower · Apr 6, 2003

Additional events

Reorganising the ids for 253 new events is definitely no fun (took me about two weeks), but I'm finally done
now. If we're using the event ranges Mnorre suggested, some random events need new ids because they're currently
occupying the 200000 range. Maybe we should reserve a separate range for the random events?
On another note, who is doing the text.csv, or will we return to putting the text into the actual event files? Even then,
some event text have to go into text.csv because they are too long otherwise (e.g. I had to put about 20 of my event
descriptions into text.csv).
During testing I realised that two things had to be done to make the event set complete (i.e. in this case working logically):

1. Meißen needed an event to revert to the Saxony tag if it captures Anhalt in the 16th century (like it did
historically). I have connected it to the Schmalkaldic League

Code:

[COLOR=red]
#edited files in major_sac.txt
#The League of Schmalkalden# b option sleeps the recovery of the Electorate
event = {

	id = 3622
	trigger = {
		 exists = HAB  
		 	AND = { 
				OR = {
					religion = protestant
					religion = reformed
						}
			}
	}
	random = no
	country = SAC
	name = "EVENTNAME3622"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3622"
	style = 2

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1527 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1529 }

	action_a ={					#Give it your support#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3622A"
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HES value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PFA value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -150 }
	}

	action_b ={					#Ignore it#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3622B"
		command = { type = relation which = HES value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PFA value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 50 }
                command = { type = sleepevent which = 319006 } #U16: Recovery of the Electorate; Meißen could only legitimately claim the Electorate because Johann Friedrich had been outlawed for opposing the Emperor and Catholicism
	}
}
#The Evangelic Union #Switched options, Saxony historically supported the Emperor
event = {

	id = 3623
	trigger = {
		 OR = {
			religion = protestant
			religion = reformed
				}
			}		
	random = no
	country = SAC
	name = "EVENTNAME3623"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3623"
	style = 3

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1605 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1609 }

	action_a ={					#Stay Neutral#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3623B"
		command = { type = relation which = BRA value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAN value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HES value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PFA value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAD value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = THU value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 50 }
	}
        action_b ={					#Prepare to Join#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3623A"
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = BRA value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAN value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = HES value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PFA value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAD value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = THU value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = SHL value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = KLE value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = KOL value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -150 }
	}
}
#in eep_u16.txt
#The League of Schmalkalden#
event = {

	id = 319005
	trigger = {
		 exists = HAB  
		 	AND = { 
				OR = {
					religion = protestant
					religion = reformed
						}
			}
	}
	random = no
	country = U16
	name = "EVENTNAME3622"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3622"
	style = 2

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1527 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1529 }

        action_a ={					#Ignore it#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3622B"
		command = { type = relation which = HES value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PFA value = -100 }
                command = { type = relation which = SAC value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 50 }
	}
	action_b ={					#Give it your support#
		name = "ACTIONNAME3622A"
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HES value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PFA value = 150 }
                command = { type = relation which = SAC value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -150 }
                command = { type = sleepevent which = 319006 } #Recovery of the Electorate
	}
}
#Recovery of the Electorate
event = {
      id = 319006
      trigger = { owned = { province = 332 data = -1 } #Anhalt
                  event = 273001 #Partition of Leipzig 
                  event = 3622 #SAC: League of Schmalkalden
                }
      random = no 
      country = U16
      name = "Recovery of the Electorate"
      desc = "When Johann Friedrich of Saxony and Philipp of Hessen attacked the catholic Duchy of Brunswick, violating 
imperial law, the emperor used the opportunity to outlaw the leaders of the Schmalkaldic League and promised Johann Friedrich's
lands and the Saxon electorate to his Albertine relative Moritz of Meißen. The Saxon army was engaged and completely defeated 
by the joint forces of the Empire, Spain and Meißen in the battle of Mühlberg on April 24th 1547. A Saxon knight called Thilo 
von Throta captured the fleeing Elector. Soon after, on June 4th 1547 Charles V bestowed all possessions of the Ernestine 
branch upon Moritz and appointed him elector."
      style = 2
      
      date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1520 }
      offset = 100
      deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1590 }
      
      action_a = {
               name = "Reclaim the Saxon Electorate"
               command = { type = country which = SAC }
               command = { type = vp value = 30 } 
               command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 100 }
               command = { type = relation which = BAY value = 100 }
               command = { type = relation which = HES value = -100 }
               command = { type = relation which = BRA value = -100 }
               command = { type = relation which = MAG value = -100 }
               command = { type = relation which = PFA value = -100 }
                 }
}
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2. Since I've removed Brandenburg's initial shield on Magdeburg, it was imperative to make an event for the
Secularisation of Magdeburg:

Code:

[COLOR=blue]
#in eep_mag.txt
#Brandenburg inherits Magdeburg
event = { 
      id = 215005
      random = no
      country = MAG
      name = "Death of August of Saxony-Weißenfels"
      desc = "In the peace of Westphalia the Archbishopric of Magdeburg had been converted into a secular Duchy 
that was to fall to the Elector of Brandenburg on the death of the last administrator, August of Saxony-Weißenfels. August 
had a surprisingly long reign in which he managed to let Magdeburg recover from the devastating Thirty Years War, 
but in 1680 he finally died. Following the peace, Magdeburg then was incorporated into Brandenburg and became an 
important stronghold west of the Electorate's core."
      style = 3
      
      date = { day = 4 month = june year = 1680 }
      offset = 0
      
      action_a = {
               name = "Magdeburg passes to Brandenburg (End Game)"
               command = { type = trigger which = 132003 } #BRA: Secularisation of Magdeburg
                 }
      action_b = {
               name = "Defy the Peace of Westphalia and remain independent"
               command = { type = stability value = -2 }
               command = { type = breakvassal which = BRA }
               command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -250 } #Making sure they won't have any support; actually staying independent was hardly an option, hence I make it REALLY harsh on them
               command = { type = relation which = SAC value = -250 } 
               command = { type = relation which = HAN value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = U16value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = MEC value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = POM value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = BRE value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = HES value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = BOH value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = SHL value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = OLD value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = THU value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = MUN value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = DAN value = -250 }
               command = { type = relation which = SWE value = -250 }
               command = { type = war which = BRA }
               command = { type = relation which = BRA value = -400 }
               command = { type = desertion which = -2 value = 10000 }
               command = { type = trigger which = 132004 } # BRA: Magdeburg violates the Peace of Westphalia
                 }
}
#In major_bra.txt:
#Inheritance of Magdeburge
event = {
      id = 132003
      random = no
      country = BRA
      name = "Secularisation of Magdeburg"
      desc = "In the peace of Westphalia the Archbishopric of Magdeburg had been converted into a secular Duchy 
that was to fall to the Elector of Brandenburg on the death of the last administrator, August of Saxony-Weißenfels. August 
had a surprisingly long reign in which he managed to let Magdeburg recover from the devastating Thirty Years War, 
but in 1680 he finally died. Following the peace, Magdeburg then was incorporated into Brandenburg and became an 
important stronghold west of the Electorate's core."
      style = 3
      
      action_a = {
               name = "Fine"
               command = { type = addcore which = 311 }
               command = { type = inherit which = MAG } 
                 }
}
event = {
      id = 132004
      random = no
      country = BRA
      name = "Magdeburg violates the Peace of Westphalia"
      desc = "In the peace of Westphalia the Archbishopric of Magdeburg had been converted into a secular Duchy 
that was to fall to the Elector of Brandenburg on the death of the last administrator, August of Saxony-Weißenfels. August 
had a surprisingly long reign in which he managed to let Magdeburg recover from the devastating Thirty Years War, 
but in 1680 he finally died. However Magdeburg dares to defy the Peace and claims that we have no right to own the Duchy 
and the city. We will have to take our rightful possession by force."
      style = 3
      
      action_a = {
               name = "Make Magdeburg pay for its defiance" 
               command = { type = addcore which = 311 }
               command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 10000 }
                 }
}  
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Norrefeldt · Apr 6, 2003

Impressive work Twoflower!
Have you renumbered all the German events, or just the new ones?
I think that the normal range for random events would be best, and a special file for only national random events, since they sometimes are multiple and will clutter down the national files. Do you have random events 'triggered' on provinces, then we might need a special range. I'll PM the others to get their opinion on the national random file and range.
Crook has said that all events can be sent to him with texts inside, he will then put them into text.csv. I think this works fine, as long as comments and event titles in the event files makes them readable.

Twoflower · Apr 6, 2003

I've only renumbered my 253 new ones (yes, it's that much, I was shocked myself; there are of courses several event chains and alternative events among them), as you demanded (or didn't you say the old ones should stay the same?). The problem about the random events is that I had a database mismatch using the 200000 range for Kleve events because there are EEP random events using the 200000 range. Hence I'd suggest to give some different range to the general random events (e.g. to make my events work I have changed the old EEP random events to the 500000 range).

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