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originally posted by Greven
It might be so that you find some much better way of portraiting things that I find very good. I wish you good luck in your endeavour.

Thanx Greven for finally revealing some of the motives for having an independent Transsylvnia in 1419. I am not saying that I agree with them, but there is certainly some logic behind that. It is a petty You did not tell us these earlier, we could have avoided a lot of spaming. OK here is a possible solution You&Co. might be interested in.

If I got You right than Your main concern was:

I left Transylvania there to HELP the Hungarian player... IF Transylvania exists in 1526 THEN the Larger Chunk of Hungary will live on. Otherwise I had to demise her from the scene altogether, which is something I found even worse from the state of fact (and I hope you agree).

Thus it seems to me that the main problem concerns the Austrian inheritance of Hungary around 1526, which would de facto end the Hungarian Kingdom. Well, to be honest I believe that it was not simply this inheritance, which ended Hungary's independence for a long time, but rather the complex situation, thus the Turkish invasion of Hungary in 1541 dividing the country into two (and than into three from 1562 on). Up to that point we had at least two Kings simultaneously reigning over Hungary, both elected by one or the other fraction of powerful nobles (János Zápolya and Ferdinand of Habsburg). Thus my point is that the Austrian inheritance ONLY succeeded because the Turks were controlling 1/3 of Hungary, and the most powerful nobles thought that the Habsburgs are the only guarantee to reunite Hungary. Therefore I do think the Austrian inheritance of Hungary event should ONLY be triggered if Hungary loses 3-4 national provinces to either the Ottoman Empire or anyone else (except Austria).

However, if You&Co. like this Austrian inheritance event so much, that You want to include it the way it is than there could be an alternative. In 1526 Austria inherits Hungary, but (to remodel the historical situation, many nobles dislike the Habsburgs, therefore they transform the eastern provinces into an independent Transsylvnia) Thus in 1526 Hungary gets divided: Odenburg, Pressburg, Carpathia, Magyar, Pest, Krain to Austria, whereas Transsylvania emerges with Transsylvania, Maros, Ruthenia, Banat with the main aim to reunite the country. I am not sure if it is doable, but we could use the former Hungarian tag as the new Transsylvanian one (might be similar with the british act of Union?), by simply renaming them. Give a CB to Transsylvania against Austrians, same state culture as Hungary had previously. (Of course this would imply that Banat and both Transsylvania are Magyar culture) Transsylvania in this alternative would be the successor of Hungary, thus it is not a new country, just simply renamed (dunno if that is possible though). It certainly needs much more "fine-tuning" but this way: we would not need an independent Transsylvania in 1419 (our goal) but it could emerge (as the successor of Hungary) later on (thus Your goal of leaving Hungary in the game, and game-balancing aspect would be met too)

Again, I am not sure if these are (technically) doable alternatives, but it would certainly make both sides much happier.

Cheriooo

 

[Endre Fodstad]

Håvard, i notice you've been quiet on the subject of "independent Norway" on this thread. Is this an indication that the next official patch may include a Norway with Iceland, different province exports, a fortress in Finmark and a possible annexation event in 1536(or whenever Denmark turns Protestant)?

EF

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Endre Fodstad
Håvard, i notice you've been quiet on the subject of "independent Norway" on this thread. Is this an indication that the next official patch may include a Norway with Iceland, different province exports, a fortress in Finmark and a possible annexation event in 1536(or whenever Denmark turns Protestant)?

AFAIK there will be no free Norway in the next patch.

Since this thread is mainly for event creation (EEP) I havent raised the topic here, trying to stay on topic...

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by emir

I'm currently working on an event for Bosnia and i believe that we are going to get few events proposals on hungary and croatia from other ppl on this thread.

FYI: I have just scripted an event for Bosnia concerning the Bogomils

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Maur13

Where this discussion belong to?

This thread was created to discuss events for the EEP project. The matter of correcting cultures in different provinces/countries is not a topic here, but is valid in this forum (in any other thread) as discussions about new/modified scenarios.

However - I will repeat my point from yesterday: I will not accept any "wars" on interpretation of history. That is off-topic!

 

[celedhring]

Somebody proposed to make events covering refugees from Serbia into hungary for the Ottoman player. We could use a series of these events to cover Romanian and Serbian refugees into Hungarian territory, altering the ethnic distribution of eastern Hungarian provinces. The Ottoman player can choose to allow these refugees to flee, losing income but crippling Hungary with the culture changes (and perhaps actually getting a culture change to his favour in some territories, like Bosnia or Albania), or he can choose to force-keep the refugees and don't lose income and manpower.

 

[David Comnenus]

Byzantine Mod Team

Byzantine Mod Team

Is there a mod team for the Byzantine Empire? If there is not, I would be happy to help start one, and if so, I would like to help. I have several possible event ideas, though they are posted on the other Byzantine threads.

 

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Originally posted by Maur13

Missed my post? It's full of complaints about those issues

I think I really missed it. Of course I remember discussions about Gdansk and Silesia, but what would be those other complaints?

With regard to diplomatic relations, I have the same suspicions. Which is kind of strange because in EU1 diplomatic matrix was complete (even if we didn't like some of the values). So maybe that's an attempt to portary limited diplomatic contacts in the begining of XVth cty? Another strange thing is that poland starts with very good relations toward ... Croatia. haven't heard of any diploamtic contacts between those countries at that time.

 

[Jools]

Re: Byzantine Mod Team

Originally posted by David Commenus
Byzantine Mod Team

Is there a mod team for the Byzantine Empire? If there is not, I would be happy to help start one, and if so, I would like to help. I have several possible event ideas, though they are posted on the other Byzantine threads.

The MOD teams haven't federalised themselves yet

Sure, you can start one... I was sort of hoping someone would.

 

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Originally posted by celedhring
Somebody proposed to make events covering refugees from Serbia into hungary for the Ottoman player. We could use a series of these events to cover Romanian and Serbian refugees into Hungarian territory, altering the ethnic distribution of eastern Hungarian provinces. The Ottoman player can choose to allow these refugees to flee, losing income but crippling Hungary with the culture changes (and perhaps actually getting a culture change to his favour in some territories, like Bosnia or Albania), or he can choose to force-keep the refugees and don't lose income and manpower.

It was me that proposed that event. Serbs moved mostly into Banat, Croatia & Bosnia. In the Eu2 only Banat is part of Hungary and it already has same culture as serbia (slavonic). Also amount of croats was always bigger than amount of serbs in banat (hence catholic slavonic banat and not orthodox slavonic banat). So there is already south slavic element in this province.

Bosnia and Serbia have already same culture. Also amount of orthodox serbs in Bosnia was never bigger than amount of bosnians.

Also these people were not crippling Hungary, they were welcome to live in the areas where noone else wanted to live.

Only culture change that is valid from historic point of view is change of culture in Kosovo from slavonic to albanian.

So my event suggestions stays as it is.

Ottoman player should actually prefer slavonic culture over albanian because slavonic is one of the state cultures. On the other hand albanians in kosovo are sunni muslims and Ottoman player might prefer that also.

 

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Originally posted by Havard


FYI: I have just scripted an event for Bosnia concerning the Bogomils

ooh man I'm excited post it post it.

Problem is that bogumils mostly converted to islam already at the begining of 1500-ies. They were not majority in Bosnia since early 1300-ies since Hungaries crusades against Bosnia.

My event is about choosing of Stjepan Tomas to bosnian king. He was supported by Hungarians while Stjepan Ostoja (other contender for the crown) was supported by Ottomans. Currently discussing this event with Zsolo.

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by emir


ooh man I'm excited post it post it.

Problem is that bogumils mostly converted to islam already at the begining of 1500-ies. They were not majority in Bosnia since early 1300-ies since Hungaries crusades against Bosnia.

OK. Here goes:

#The Bogomil Heresy#
event = {

	id = xx1
	random = no
	country = BOS
	name = "EVENTNAMExx1"
	desc = "EVENTHISTxx1"
	style = 1

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1443 }
	offset = 2000


	action_a ={		#Stop the Heretics#
		name = "ACTIONNAMExx1A"
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 36 value = 3 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -50 }
	}

	action_b ={		#Let them be#
		name = "ACTIONNAMExx1B"
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = CRO value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -100 }

	}
}

It's more or less a cut-and-paste of the English Lollards-event

 

[David Comnenus]

Byzantine Mod Team

I am starting a Byzantine Mod Team. I will serve as historian for this team. If I could have the event editing manual, that would help.

 

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Originally posted by Havard


OK. Here goes:

#The Bogomil Heresy#
event = {

	id = xx1
	random = no
	country = BOS
	name = "EVENTNAMExx1"
	desc = "EVENTHISTxx1"
	style = 1

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1443 }
	offset = 2000


	action_a ={		#Stop the Heretics#
		name = "ACTIONNAMExx1A"
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 36 value = 3 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -50 }
	}

	action_b ={		#Let them be#
		name = "ACTIONNAMExx1B"
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = CRO value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -100 }

	}
}

It's more or less a cut-and-paste of the English Lollards-event

It looks fine. But I have few question on it. First of all why did you choose year 1443? I would rather have it around 1420-ies. For every year that passed bogumils in Bosnia were less and less. So earlier date is better.

Another problem is that Bosnia is wrongly orthodox in current Eu2. I've reported this as bug, so as soon as it changed to catholic this event is possible until then its not possible.

Also supporting bogumils should increase stability and increase treasures. Bogumils didnt believe in church owning any property. This is why they were supported by Bans & Kings of the Bosnia in the first place. So supporting bogumils should in reality increase your a) taxvalue or b) boost your treasury by 100.

Also suppressing bogumils should give you better relations with Hungary. Something like +50 with Hungary.

 

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I've noticed one more thing.

Currently in Eu2 Ragusa is not vasall of Hungary at the start. In reality it was vasall of Hungary since 1358 (peace of Zara???) when its vasallage to Venice ended. As I said it was vasallised by Ottomans after battle of Mohac.

As you all know trigger for my Ragusa event right now is weak Hungary (Ottomans controlling 3 out of 4 neighbouring provinces)

Question now is if Ragusa is not vasall of Hungary why does it matter if Hungary is weak or strong. Is my event relevant even if Ragusa is not vasall of Hungary?

Greven, if you read this, please tell me if there are any plans of making Ragusa vasall of Hungary in eu2 GC? It was vasall of Hungary in eu1 IGC.

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by emir

It looks fine. But I have few question on it. First of all why did you choose year 1443? I would rather have it around 1420-ies. For every year that passed bogumils in Bosnia were less and less. So earlier date is better.

OK. I can change that (need to change it anyway, offset = 2000? )

Another problem is that Bosnia is wrongly orthodox in current Eu2. I've reported this as bug, so as soon as it changed to catholic this event is possible until then its not possible.

Was it Catholic, then turned Orthodox? Just wondering - Bosnian history is not my strongest side...

Also supporting bogumils should increase stability and increase treasures. Bogumils didnt believe in church owning any property. This is why they were supported by Bans & Kings of the Bosnia in the first place. So supporting bogumils should in reality increase your a) taxvalue or b) boost your treasury by 100.

Also suppressing bogumils should give you better relations with Hungary. Something like +50 with Hungary.

Good suggestions.

 

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Originally posted by Havard

OK. I can change that (need to change it anyway, offset = 2000? )

Was it Catholic, then turned Orthodox? Just wondering - Bosnian history is not my strongest side...

Good suggestions.

There was never orthodox majority in Bosnia. It was catholic with huge percantage of bogumils. Later with ottomans majority of Bosnians converted to Islam. Due to Ottoman policies orthodox serbs and wallachians started settling in Bosnia which increased number of orthodox. In 1800-ies I would say that it was 50% sunni, 25% catholic, 25% orthodox. But for the 1419 catholic is right choice. In scenarios after 1550-ies it should probably be sunni muslim.

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by emir


There was never orthodox majority in Bosnia. It was catholic with huge percantage of bogumils. Later with ottomans majority of Bosnians converted to Islam. Due to Ottoman policies orthodox serbs and wallachians started settling in Bosnia which increased number of orthodox. In 1800-ies I would say that it was 50% sunni, 25% catholic, 25% orthodox. But for the 1419 catholic is right choice. In scenarios after 1550-ies it should probably be sunni muslim.

Demetrios have allready raised the topic in beta-land...

 

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Originally posted by Havard


Demetrios have allready raised the topic in beta-land...

Good to hear that

I know that thanks to Demetrios state religion was changed to catholic (thanks oncea again).

I also noticed Uglyduck of this error a week or two ago on BUG forum.

 

[David Comnenus]

EEP Byzantium Mod Team

I have just started a thread for the Byzantine Mod Team. This thread will probably get adjusted, moved, etc. as mod teams get organized, but I have started a thread.