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Originally posted by Stonewall
This isn't an EEP or 1.7 error. Since the Ottomans already exist as a nation, you can't release them as vassals. Go to the diplomacy screen and click the Ottomans. Then choose the cancel vassalization option. That should work, but it will cost you some stability.


It doesn't, at least in my experience. It is always greyed out. At war or at peace.
 

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Originally posted by Jinnai
Well now that we can change the ai, they should infact before the inward perfection/outward expansion choice is decided (which i hope to broden...such a thing shouldn't be left to 1 event), China did have trading posts in india before portugal arrived (they were only abandoned ~20 years prior to Portugal's arrival).

So the point is if they choose inward perfection they should be given a non-colonizing ai, balanced should keep the same and outward should increase it.


Good, but for now I think that the one change is enough. Testing and consensus first, then have something for 1.4.2.
 
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my point is that even with a very generous interpretation, i dont think historical circumstances warranted any plausible possibility that China will start colonising the East Indies, and choices other than historically plausible possibilities should not be given in the game.

and i dont think the so called Chinese "trading posts" in india falls within the same definition as trading posts in the game.

the colonising list does not have to give ahistorical choices to colonise or for Zheng He to explore. there are plenty of other places to direct him lots of sea and coastal regions in the indian ocean.

if we r going to abolish that strategic event anyway, theres no rush to give effects to the outward expansion choice. i think the most expansionist that could happen for China would be the combination of adding more countries to its attack list, increasing its aggression level and changing its dp slider such that it gets much more colonists.
 

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Originally posted by Sun_Zi_36
my point is that even with a very generous interpretation, i dont think historical circumstances warranted any plausible possibility that China will start colonising the East Indies, and choices other than historically plausible possibilities should not be given in the game.

and i dont think the so called Chinese "trading posts" in india falls within the same definition as trading posts in the game.

the colonising list does not have to give ahistorical choices to colonise or for Zheng He to explore. there are plenty of other places to direct him lots of sea and coastal regions in the indian ocean.

if we r going to abolish that strategic event anyway, theres no rush to give effects to the outward expansion choice. i think the most expansionist that could happen for China would be the combination of adding more countries to its attack list, increasing its aggression level and changing its dp slider such that it gets much more colonists.


I did not know the "Strategic Decision" event was going to go, (along with the main reason to choose to play China;) ), I have only seen suggestions that it be reworked. Taking away colonists removes the main weapon of war against native nations as you can not DOW them, thus China could only expand by the path of greatest resistance and that fails the aforementioned plausability test.

It is not our task to hide behind determinism, but to take each action that the game engine will allow and give the appropriate consequences, disallowing choices only when the consequences are beyond the ability of the game to adjudicate.
 

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Originally posted by Black Dragon
I was "correcting" my EEP (i.e moving back the capital of France to Paris and restoring Bourbonnais and Auvergne as they were in 1.3.1) and while checking for eventual inconsistencies I found out another bug. In EEP 1.4 the event 20079 "English claims to Bourbonnais" and the event 20078 "English claims to Auvergne" were not updated and give the wrong core provinces to England (i.e Bourbonnais and Auvergne are still as they were in the EEP 1.3.1).

Yeah, I saw that problem when I went to fix the capital issue. The files I sent to mnorrefeldt should hopefully take care of this.
 

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Bavarian succession

habsburg event, ID = 3207

action_a ={ #Make legal claims on Bayern#
name = "Press the claim and invade Bavaria"
command = { type = relation which = PRU value = -150 }
command = { type = trigger which = 3666 }
command = { type = trigger which = 3617 }

It would help if the option actually gave you a CB against Bavaria :)
 

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Well I played another game from scratch as Austria. The same thing happened to me in 1556 When Karl V abdicated, the Netherlands and the French conté stayed with Austria instead of becoming Spanish territories. I red the message and it said that Netherlands become Spanish but after clicking ok it never become Spanish territories.

Is there something I should do or is it a bug. Could someone tell me if you experienced this? Or is it my game which have a problem.

Thanks
 

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In looking at the sequence of evetns for the end of the Hundred Years War, I noticed an error.

The first event is ENG 3004 where the English lose the HYW. This in turn triggers FRA 3104 which is where the French win and their capital moves to Paris. However, forgotten in this is FRA 12017, which gives France a stability and VP bonus and is supposed to trigger FRA 3104 which moves the capital to Paris. Currently FRA 12017 doesn't fire because it isn't dated or triggered.

I would suggest changint the trigger in 3004 to trigger 12017, which should have been the order of events in the first place.

I believe this is an error because in the notes accompanying the FRA 12017, it is noted that it should be triggered by ENG 3004.
 

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Originally posted by Sun_Zi_36
my point is that even with a very generous interpretation, i dont think historical circumstances warranted any plausible possibility that China will start colonising the East Indies, and choices other than historically plausible possibilities should not be given in the game.

and i dont think the so called Chinese "trading posts" in india falls within the same definition as trading posts in the game.

the colonising list does not have to give ahistorical choices to colonise or for Zheng He to explore. there are plenty of other places to direct him lots of sea and coastal regions in the indian ocean.
Well i think at the very least they should be given a tp colonizer.
if we r going to abolish that strategic event anyway, theres no rush to give effects to the outward expansion choice. i think the most expansionist that could happen for China would be the combination of adding more countries to its attack list, increasing its aggression level and changing its dp slider such that it gets much more colonists.
this would likely be the last thing changed or neartoit.
 

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Originally posted by EUnderhill
I did not know the "Strategic Decision" event was going to go, (along with the main reason to choose to play China;) ), I have only seen suggestions that it be reworked. Taking away colonists removes the main weapon of war against native nations as you can not DOW them, thus China could only expand by the path of greatest resistance and that fails the aforementioned plausability test.
removing the event is what has been discussed in the forums for a long time. nobody said China wont have any colonists.
Originally posted by EUnderhill
It is not our task to hide behind determinism, but to take each action that the game engine will allow and give the appropriate consequences, disallowing choices only when the consequences are beyond the ability of the game to adjudicate.
if u want to play the Knights and do a WC, that is a choice of strategy u could take in the game, and nothing would prohibit u from doing it other than the historical-like conditions u r in faced with at the start, which makes it achievable only for the very experts, but there is no event for the Knights granting u the opportunity to do a WC or just play normally. China should be viewed in the same token. if u think that the granting of such event choices is appropriate in its consequences, i think there would not be many who agree with you.

Originally posted by Jinnai
Well i think at the very least they should be given a tp colonizer.
i have no problem with that.
 

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While playing as County of Holland, I found another bug: in the file nat_randomevents.txt the ids of the Frisian events don't match with the ids in the text.csv file (in the text.csv file it's 200047 instead of 500047).
 

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Originally posted by DAKKAR
Well I played another game from scratch as Austria. The same thing happened to me in 1556 When Karl V abdicated, the Netherlands and the French conté stayed with Austria instead of becoming Spanish territories. I red the message and it said that Netherlands become Spanish but after clicking ok it never become Spanish territories.

Is there something I should do or is it a bug. Could someone tell me if you experienced this? Or is it my game which have a problem.

Thanks

Seems to be WaD. I can't find the thread where this change was discussed. Can anyone help?

(in case you hadn't guessed that means I don't like it either)
 

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Originally posted by Stonewall
This isn't an EEP or 1.7 error. Since the Ottomans already exist as a nation, you can't release them as vassals. Go to the diplomacy screen and click the Ottomans. Then choose the cancel vassalization option. That should work, but it will cost you some stability.


Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I can't cancel the vassalization. Sorry, should've been more clear. I tried it with Konya as well, got the same error. (It's fun when you manage to get almost every Orthodox nation except the Russians in an alliance to save your bacon.)
 

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I had this problem once, but it immediately went away on reload. France and Brittany by the way so it may not be a BYZ problem. (Don't play them if I can avoid it).
 

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Re: Reproducible ctd

Originally posted by von Rosen
I get a reproducible ctd in 1480 playing Ethiopia and at war with Kilwa. Anyone know what could be up? Save file available.

Can you send it to me?

hypno121@aol.com

I'll check it out.
 

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Originally posted by Isaac Brock
I had this problem once, but it immediately went away on reload. France and Brittany by the way so it may not be a BYZ problem. (Don't play them if I can avoid it).


Ah, okay. I normally don't play as Byzantium either-my tastes run towards Poland, namely making its borders the Rhine and Volga-but I like a challange every so often and thought the new version of EEP might be worth a spin.
 

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HAB 17334 has a line in "action_b" that enhances relations with HAB. Judging fromt he context of the event, the relations should be enhanced with SPA, not HAB.
 

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One more thing. Is it correct that HAB doesn't have a monarch file in the EEP/DB/Monarchs directory adn that the game uses the Paradox version of Austrian monarchs? Since most of the other major nations had EEP monarchs, I thought that maybe the Austrians had one to that was accidentally not included. I'm probably wrong, but thought I'd bring it up anyway.

And not that it makes much difference, but I found the beginning and deathdate for Albrecht V, the first EU2 Austrian monarchs. Became King on 14/9/1404 upon death of his father, Albrecht IV. He died on 27/10/1439 which should also be the start date for the next Austrian monarch, Ladislas Postumus.