Education and overeducatiom

[trigorin]

I'm wondering if some educated workforce can move into the city from outside if there is residential room available with proper land value as well as satisfying workplaces. Or has the whole educated workforce be generated locally?

On the other hand shouldn't educated people leave the city if they can't find appropriate jobs instead of becoming overeducated workforce in the city? Or at least they should suffer significant happiness penalty.

 

[Greygor69]

It's not conclusive, but if i build new residential areas and check my uneducated count, it increases as people move in.

I think new residents are always uneducated.


To be fair that's the only reason they'd move to my cities

 

[Myquandro]

I haven't seen educated cims move into my cities. All new neighborhoods are red in the education views.

 

[trigorin]

Haha
However I'm wondering if raw materials and cargo can move in and out, why educated people can't do the same.

 

[EvilTom]

Educated CIMS will move into buildings that are appropriate for them if those buildings have space in them.

For example if you have a single building in your city (for arguments sake)... it's a level 5 building with 1 highly educated person it. When that person dies there is a possibility that another highly educated person will move in from outside.

A highly educated CIM is less likely to move into a level 1 building. You are more likely going to get an uneducated CIM move into that house first.

 

[cshmech]

I've had educated citizens in newly zoned ares with no education coverage! Guess they move-in from outside. I did this specifically to avoid having over-educated workers.. But it never worked!

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/education-levels.848953/#post-19128132

 

[Admiral 8Q]

I'm having the opposite problem. Not enough un-educated workers. Sometimes I wish there was a way to make a couple suburbs "stupid" in the district policies, heh heh!

 

[Person012345]

Educated CIMS will move into buildings that are appropriate for them if those buildings have space in them.

For example if you have a single building in your city (for arguments sake)... it's a level 5 building with 1 highly educated person it. When that person dies there is a possibility that another highly educated person will move in from outside.

A highly educated CIM is less likely to move into a level 1 building. You are more likely going to get an uneducated CIM move into that house first.

How did you come to this conclusion? This isn't what we were told pre-release.

 

[casssnider]

In my last game I held off building a university until I hit around 50k pop. I had highly educated cims in my city before that, they must have come in from outside. In my current game I fully educated my cims and they almost all work in industry. If you keep your unemployment between 6% and 12% your cims will take jobs they are over-educated for, no problem. Maintaining at least 6% unemployment also will keep your industry from being abandoned when your population dips.

 

[Greygor69]

I've had educated citizens in newly zoned ares with no education coverage! Guess they move-in from outside. I did this specifically to avoid having over-educated workers.. But it never worked!

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/education-levels.848953/#post-19128132

Not sure that's the case, you have no idea if they've moved from a different part of your city or not.

I'm still fairly sure all new arrivals in your city are uneducated. If you get educated residents in new residential, they were already there and educated in your city.

 

[SteveeD]

I have had the same experience as cshmech...did not build a single school of any type in the city yet a few months later had highly educated cims living there so I am quite sure they moved in from another town. I also had higher lvl housing ready and higher lvl office and commercial building that had jobs that needed higher educated ppl. I did this on purpose to see if ppl would come in from outside and they did

 

[Shiggs]

without a doubt educated cims move in. Its obvious. Build a city and never build a university, you will still have highly educated cims. One of my city's that did not ever have a university got up to 8% highly educated somehow. They must be moving in to leveled up buildings.

 

[cshmech]

I guess the level of the buildings also play a role. If you have too many high level res., that might attract educated people from outside or a different locality in the city!

 

[Gilga]

It seems to me highly educated cims move in but slowly compared to uneducated cims.
You can do a test: when you have the building "Hadron Collider" ready, put it in your city. Every people became fast maxed in education and all your schools (elementary, high and university) are obsolete and no more do anything (0 students, because everyone go to Hadron Collider).
Well, at this point your city start growing very slow. It will be difficult to raise the population in a reasonable time. The demand bars go to almost 0, and you have a stable city, with population that almost stay around the number when you built the monument. Even if you zone a big bunch of new land, the growing will be really slow and eventually there is no buildings for long time.
Then turn off the Hadron Collider: then the behaviour suddenly change, reverting to the previous state. All the schools restart working and buildings will start to grow on new zoned lands (as long as other stuff is okay).
So, basically, the Hadron Collider will slow down the city grow, because of the highly educated citizens.
In the city I experimented this, with the Hadron Collider the statistics are crazy: almost 100% happiness, almost 100% education. Almost lot of industries suffering because they don't find appropriate workers.
On the other side, in this way you can have a city almost stable in their numbers (except landfills and dead bodies that can destry your city if you don't care to follow).
The test city has around 150k population.

Beware: when you build the Hadron Collider, you'll get an insane budget influx, because the whole map start leveling at max (in my test city, my budged jumped from around +8k to around +50k in a couple of ingame days), so when you turn off the monument, expect a big loss in your budged (not big as the previous increase tho).

I don't know if the Hadron Collider behaviour is a bug or it works as intended, but it makes a good test about education.

 

[ReginaRC]

Yeah, I've seen the same things as the other folks here who say educated Cims move in. Yep, they do. Just overall you're going to get uneducated Cims when zoning new areas of housing. Most of the educated ones are going to move in after leveling up.

 

[EvilTom]

How did you come to this conclusion? This isn't what we were told pre-release.

I've observed this, so my evidence is anecdotal. I seem to remember on the PDX con (I could be wrong) interview with Quill that educated cims do move in. I have also seen a few streamers and youtubers note that educated cims move into higher level buildings. I'll have a look see if I can find a source.

you can also try the 1 building thing. Build 1 1x1 house and support it with infrastructure. It will grow to level 4 eventually and your cims will educate in them. Then they die and new cims move in from out of town (their children should move out when they're old enough and leave the city, so it won't be them). This new cims may have some education... not all cims that move in from other places are uneducated. It's probably based upon the available residential level and the availability of the equivalent education jobs.

What were we told pre-release?

 

[Greygor69]

Not sure that's the case, you have no idea if they've moved from a different part of your city or not.

I'm still fairly sure all new arrivals in your city are uneducated. If you get educated residents in new residential, they were already there and educated in your city.

Yeah, I've seen the same things as the other folks here who say educated Cims move in. Yep, they do. Just overall you're going to get uneducated Cims when zoning new areas of housing. Most of the educated ones are going to move in after leveling up.

Hmm, might have to check this out, it looks like what I've experienced may not match what can happen.

This is one of the reasons I'd like a new AMA by the Devs so we can ask these sort of questions.