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I congratulate Mme. Savarin on forming such a reasonable coalition.

- Random member of the NDP.
 

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I imagine the deal has been made on monarchist/republican lines – ties, it seems, far more powerful than actual policies, when one considers how contrasting social and classical liberal ideals actual are!

As a concerned member of the BSU, my worries are similar, Mr. St. Cloud. I sincerely hope that my party hasn't forfeited its social ideals in favour of a single amendment I can only vote against.

- Valérie van der Wyngaert
 

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Today is a glorious day for all freedom loving Belgians! The BSU is happy to enter a coalition with the NDP.

I would advise my fellow socialists not to worry about us forfeiting our ideals for power, as you shall soon see the terms of the government.

-Amedee Dupointe
 

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Today is a great day for the freedom lovers of the federation, but there is a sore oversight in our constitution, there cannot be a legal way in which our people can express their views in a plebiscite, this oversight must be fixed. Therefore I propose a new bill, in order to fix this oversight.

The Referendum Amendment
-((I have no idea where is should go, Dyra please suggest a place for it to go))
- A Referendum can be proposed by any member of Parliament or Cabinet
- A Referendum Proposal needs a regular majority in the Chamber of Deputies and Senate to pass
- A Referendum Proposal cannot be vetoed by any legal power in or outside Belgium.
- If a Referendum Proposal passes a Referendum will be organised
- A Referendum needs a turnout of at least two thirds of the voting eligible population to become legitimate, if not the results lose its legal power
- If two thirds of the population fail to vote in a referendum, it may be recalled one more time, then it will automatically fail, once it has failed, it is up to congress to vote whether to disregard the bill, or to reform said bill and re-propose it to be voted on in congress. A bill can only be reformed and voted for once, then, if the 3rd vote fails, to has to be disregarded.
- A Referendum needs a regular majority to pass
- The Results of a Referendum cannot be vetoed by any legal power in Belgium, however a recount of a Referendum may be called by a regular majority in the Chamber of Deputies or the Senate
-The Results of a referendum are legally binding
- A Referendum may only concern a specific area, all other areas will not be involved in this Regional Referendum, all legal adult Residents in said area will have the right to vote for said Regional Referendum
 
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Referendum Amendment

This Amendment would most correctly go into Chapter 9 which deals with the legislative process. There are two ways for this Amendment to modify that chapter. The first is a more composite approach where relevant paragraphs are added to existing paragraphs dealing with the Referendum Proposal itself. Thereafter, the Referendum articles (as separate from the rules on the Referendum Proposal; i.e. they deal with the effects etc of the Proposal) could be inserted between the current articles 9 and 10. The other approach is less elegant and would simply be mashing in this whole Amendment in-between articles 9 and 10. In any case, this Amendment will—if passed as is—require an Incorporation Act in accordance with chapter 9, article 10 of the Constitution.

I would furthermore like to make a few other editorial pointers.

- A Referendum Proposal cannot be vetoed by any legal power in Belgium.

I doubt that the second part—i.e. "by any legal power in Belgium"—is necessary. All it does is open up for veto by powers outside of Belgium.

- If a Referendum Proposal passes a Referendum will be organised

I would suggest that this sentence is extended by the addition of a passage which states that how a Referendum is organized shall be specified by a another law, unless that is intended to be regulated in this Amendment.

- A Referendum needs a turnout of at least two thirds of the voting eligible population to become legitimate, if not the results lose it’s legal power

The third last word should read "its", not "it's" (an abbreviated version of "it is"). You should have a word with whoever printed this.

- If two thirds of the population fail to vote in a referendum, it may be recalled one more time, then it will automatically fail

It is a bit unclear what the part inside commas is supposed to mean. The Referendum may be recalled "one more time"? If one has recalled the Referendum, then would it simply not exist anymore—It has been recalled. Surely a new proposal would be proposed if the intent is to re-implement a recalled Referendum? All of this is not regulated in the Amendment, so I suppose that there is some form of editorial error here.

- A Referendum cannot be vetoed any legal power in Belgium, however a recount of a Referendum may be called by a regular majority in the Chamber of Deputies or the Senate

There should be a "by" in the first part. Furthermore, see above. Also, is the first part not a bit unnecessary, since the Amendment already stipulates the impossibility of vetoing a Referendum Proposal, or is this supposed to mean the results of the Referendum itself as separate from the Proposal? In such a case, I would suggest moving that to the veto ban as in "Referendum Proposals and Referendums cannot be vetoed" or similar.

Lastly, I have this creeping feeling that the last provision could be more detailed.

—Suive Opiniâtrement les Régles
 
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Jean di Picardie wonders whether Suive Opiniâtrement les Régles does this for a hobby or just enjoys his job, or both

(TY Drya, Changes will be made to the original proposal))
 

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My congratulations go to all deputies and senators who have achieved election and my commiserations to those who were not so lucky. I know of many outstanding members of my own party who were sadly pipped at the post despite their excellent qualifications, but I am nonetheless pleased to see the party once again gaining seats. If a government has indeed been formed, I can only wish them the very best with the forthcoming parliamentary term; we in the Liberal Democratic Party shall remain true to the constituents who elected us and do our best to serve our King and Country. Once details of the government have been announced, I plan to form a shadow government to act as the opposition and properly scrutinise the actions of those is power.

~ Adélaïde, Duchess of Benin
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Dear Prime Minister Savarin

I congratulate you on successfully forming government with the BSU.I wish you every luck in governing our fair Belgium in this hour of need. In many ways, the trials which you face over the next 4 years will be more hazardous and difficult than those faced by myself during the Great War. At least, I could see the enemy we had to fight. It is for this reason that I urge you to consider including the LDP in your coalition as another Government of National Unity, as the future of the LDP, the NDP, the BSU and even the presently dormant conservatives now turn on what the Government does over the next 4 years. Belgium was at its finest during those war years and it would be wise to harness those feelings of unity to assist you in the task ahead.

I would also urge you to put aside your political scruples as a Liberal and adopt the Socialist principle of State Capitalism. The greatest burst of industrial growth Belgium ever experienced was in the immediate after war years when we used State Capitalism to build the new factories. His Majesty's recent proclamation notes the civil war is now fought in the economy and in an economic battle, Socialist command economics will always win the day.

Finally, we must not allow any distraction from our course. I urge you to act quickly and decisively with every weapon at your disposal, to restore peace and unity to Belgium and its peoples around the World. I wish you every good fortune in your herculean task, and have every faith in your success.

Yours faithfully

Frederic Burke
 

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New Orders of the Commisar of the Overseas Empire:

- Set up insentives and benefits for people who find careers in bureaucratic positions in the region of the Congo.
((IG encourage bureaucrats in the Congo))

- Provide insentives for Belgians to immigrat to certain regions of Africa.
((IG encourage migration on the state with the next highest Belgian percentage))

Once The region of the Congo has enough Belgians for proper industrialization shift insentives to the next one in order, encourage bureaucrats highest Belgian percentage colony, encourage migration second highest Belgian percentage colony.

- Jules van de Velde, Commissar of the Overseas Empire
 

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Ladies and Gentlemen of this Chamber,

The election of 1916 is one that will be remembered throughout the decades, and even possibly centuries, to come. It has witnessed the fall of Fascism and Conservatism by popular will, it has seen the forces of Liberalism and Socialism take dominance, it has seen Republicanism strengthened and most importantly, it has brought about circumstances from which change can come about.

Many of you in this chamber, especially those from the Liberal Democratic Party, question my motives for bringing the National Democratic Party into coalition with the Belgian Social Union. Some of you have even publicly stated some shock about it. Whilst I do give some sympathy to this, I must remind you that this is politics and things do change. Discussions with a majority of my party has led me in this direction and I will not let them down.

Let us look forward to these next four years, for as I have said, it will be a time of change and also of reconstruction.

The Rt. Hon. J. H. Savarin
Prime Minister of Belgium



First J. H. Savarin Ministry

Prime Minister: Joséphine Henriette Savarin [NDP]

Deputy Prime Minister: Amedee Dupointe [BSU]
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs: Pierre Savarin [NDP]
Secretary of State for Defence: Joséphine Henriette Savarin [NDP]
Secretary of State for Finance: Amedee Dupointe [BSU]
Secretary of State for the Interior: Suive Opiniâtrement les Régles [BSU]
Secretary of State for the Colonies: Henri Lachenmayer [NDP]
Secretary of State for Commerce: Gerrard van Prinsterer [BSU]
Secretary of State for Justice: Rip van Winkle [NDP]
Secretary of State for Education: Kristina van den Berg [BSU]
Secretary of State for Labour and Welfare: Pieter Hendrickx [BSU]

Minister of State for Flanders: Samuel Vanderhoof [NDP]
Minister of State for Wallonia: Johann Wolff [LDP]
Minister of State for Brussels: Pieter Hendrickx [BSU]
Minister of State for Zone Libre: Jean di Picardie [BSU]

Chief of the General Staff: Supreme-General DeWitt



Memorandum to the Cabinet

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Cabinet,

Directives will be sent out to the ministries within a few days after the coalition partners have further met and discussed certain issues. Otherwise, if the ministers appointed have a course of direction they wish to take I ask them to forward said plans to my office for inspection.

The Rt. Hon. J. H. Savarin
Prime Minister of Belgium



((For TH's need, our platform is: Pro-Military/Secularism/State Capitalism/Free Trade/Full Citizenship))
 

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Proposal to create the Republic of Belgium

- The Kingdom of Belgium is disbanded, the Republic of Belgium will be created. ((IG Belgium will become a republic))

- The Title of King of Belgians will be removed from the Monarch and hereby disbanded.

- The Head of State is the President, the President is chosen by the people of Belgium.

- The President is chosen via a Two-Round voting system

- The President can only serve two terms

- All Interdependent Services with the name having Royal or any reference to the Monarch will change their names Republican

- The Republic of Belgium does not recognize any Religion as the State Religion, all Religion will be treated equally

- The President of Belgium must be a Belgian citizen at least 30 years of age who is not in the line of succession for the throne of any title and not subject to any conflicts of nationality or foreign interests. They can be of Any Sex.

- All powers and limits of the Monarch are to be transferred to the President

- When the President of the Republic of Belgium is pronounced insane or otherwise incapable of ruling by a group of 10 doctors and a 2/3 majority vote in the Senate consenting to this diagnosis, he will be immediately removed from office and new elections for the office will be called.

- The Head of Government is the Prime Minister of Belgium, who shall govern on behalf of the President of Belgium and in accordance with the popular will.

- The Prime Minister will keep all powers and limits he has had during the Monarchy

- The current Prime Minister will become acting-President and the current Deputy Prime Minister will become acting-Prime Minister until elections are called

- A new Constitution will be written for the Republic of Belgium, thus there will be a Constitutional Convention after the acceptance of this proposal

Father Gerrard van Prinsterer, Minister of Commerce
 
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Are you kidding me?

((I assume that statement means, "the former King will be accorded all the rights and privileges of a citizen of Belgium" rather than "he will retain royal powers"))
 

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((I assume that statement means, "the former King will be accorded all the rights and privileges of a citizen of Belgium" rather than "he will retain royal powers"))

((Indeed))
 

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((I assume that statement means, "the former King will be accorded all the rights and privileges of a citizen of Belgium" rather than "he will retain royal powers"))

((If I know Gen as well as I think I do, then I imagine he was more questioning the need to even state the fact in first place. One would image in that it would go without saying that someone born in Belgium to Belgian parents (or at least, a Belgain father – I'm not sure who the mother is...) would qualify as a Belgian citizen and for all rights therefore accorded to them, regardless of who they are or used to be.))
 

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((If I know Gen as well as I think I do, then I imagine he was more questioning the need to even state the fact in first place. One would image in that it would go without saying that someone born in Belgium to Belgian parents (or at least, a Belgain father – I'm not sure who the mother is...) would qualify as a Belgian citizen and for all rights therefore accorded to them, regardless of who they are or used to be.))

((It was written to avoid us being accused of terrible things we would never do))
 

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((It was written to avoid us being accused of terrible things we would never do))

((I think you underestimate your opposition, to be quite honest. Not that this is a debate worth continuing OOC, of course, but the point stands.))
 

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Gentlemen, I was frankly quite shocked by the inclusion of this provision, as it shows that you did in fact consider the terrible things which deface the good name of the honourable cause which is Socialism. Does it really need mentioning that, should the King step down, we must restrain ourselves from breaking down the rest of our constitutional state?

- Valérie van der Wyngaert

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