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Ah, typical Van der Goltz nonsense; insubordination to both civil and military forces. Both civilian and military policy have allowed for the promotion of native officers above 1st Master Corporal, and this is not something for the General to decide. I demand, in the strongest of terms, that General Van der Goltz must either reverse this decision immediately, or I will advise Field Marshall van Stern to remove him from his position, whether by transfer of command or demotion, immediately.

Considering I command all native forces, I decide who is appointed as an officer and who is not. If the Chief of General Staff has any problems with my commands, he may discuss them with me and we can carry out an effective command. Have you ever been too Benin, Prime-Minister? Have you ever fought against the barbarians? These men would likely kill me the first chance I could give them, they do not understand the way of Europe, they never will. You cannot teach an ape how too speak! As always, my orders go too the Chief of General Staff's office, if he has any complaint, he may voice them. I have not a clue why you fight for the savages' "rights", speaking as a civilian, and I will never adhere too your ideology. I am simply doing what is in Belgium's best interest, as devised by minds more familiar with military-integrity then you.

-General-Superior of Africa, Arthur Van Der Goltz
 

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If a Consitutional convention is summed I will have at that point lost all faith in the entirety of Belgiums political class. Such a measure is not needed and simply absurd. It saddens me that the King does not want to rule and wants his position abolished (which is hypocritical) and while he does wish this and I respect him for trying to uphold to his values a republic will only lead to the collapse of Belgium. How many times has the mere fact of having a Monarch saved our country? I count at least 2 rather significant circumstance that not having a King would have lead to a completely absolute dictatorship with little hope of stopping it, that my friends is not something we would want and something not having a King would and will cause.

In fact I'm of the opinion that having a republican government will lead to an absolute dictatorship with in 30 years.

- Christian van de Velde, Count of Ypres
Ah, the ugly hyprocrisy of the monarchists rears its head once more. Prosper-August does not fit their current needs. So he is discarded as an empty rag. Then, there is the last sentence of Count van de Velde's ignorant missive. It reeks of the utter hypocrisy of the monarchists. There is an inherent contradiction in his words. Our monarchs are nothing more than absolute dictators! You would have us stay with a repressive, old government, that will surely lead us to disaster, than a new, energetic government? The machinations of the monarchists minds are beyond me.
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devised by minds more familiar with ... integrity then you.

-General-Superior of Africa, Arthur Van Der Goltz

At this Andrei starts laughing himself to tears

Dear Arthur, you don't have enough integrity to tie your own britches. You are the most lampooned poltroon in Belgium and most deservedly. Go resign your commission before you make yourself more of a laughing stock.
 

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Van Der Goltz is clearly insubordinate.

The army must understand to stay in its place and the foolish Prussian should be demoted at once.

- Carl Coppens, Independent Socialist Deputy
 

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Ah, the ugly hyprocrisy of the monarchists rears its head once more. Prosper-August does not fit their current needs. So he is discarded as an empty rag. Then, there is the last sentence of Count van de Velde's ignorant missive. It reeks of the utter hypocrisy of the monarchists. There is an inherent contradiction in his words. Our monarchs are nothing more than absolute dictators! You would have us stay with a repressive, old government, that will surely lead us to disaster, than a new, energetic government? The machinations of the monarchists minds are beyond me.
Deputy De Coock

Heer de Coock I believe you have misheard me, I never said a Monarchy is an absolute dictatorship but, it prevents one. I also said quite clearly that a republic will lead to disaster not a Monarchy. I also have said nothing about discarding the Monarch, it is his right and responsilibty to finnish his reign whether for its enterity or to an early abdication and I in no way have said, or pushed to force his abdication.

The way you have misconstructed my words is beyond me.

- Chrisrtian van de Velde, Count of Ypres

((I assume that was just an incharacter twisting of my words but, I think you over did it and if it wasnt I should write clearer.))
 

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Heer de Coock I believe you have misheard me, I never said a Monarchy is an absolute dictatorship but, it prevents one. I also said quite clearly that a republic will lead to disaster not a Monarchy. I also have said nothing about discarding the Monarch, it is his right and responsilibty to finnish his reign whether for its enterity or to an early abdication and I in no way have said, or pushed to force his abdication.

The way you have misconstructed my words is beyond me.

- Chrisrtian van de Velde, Count of Ypres

((I assume that was just an incharacter twisting of my words but, I think you over did it and if it wasnt I should write clearer.))
((I did overdo it a little bit, but de Coock is angry t the monarchists. ;)))
I believe you said, and I quote:
Count van de Velde said:
In fact, I'm of the opinion that having a republican government will lead to an absolute dictatorship in 30 years.
That equates both disaster and ruin. I'll admit, I may have accidentally misquoted you, but my basic point remains. The Constituional Convention must continue!
Deputy de Coock, proud Socialist and Republican
 

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Considering I command all native forces, I decide who is appointed as an officer and who is not. If the Chief of General Staff has any problems with my commands, he may discuss them with me and we can carry out an effective command. Have you ever been too Benin, Prime-Minister? Have you ever fought against the barbarians? These men would likely kill me the first chance I could give them, they do not understand the way of Europe, they never will. You cannot teach an ape how too speak! As always, my orders go too the Chief of General Staff's office, if he has any complaint, he may voice them. I have not a clue why you fight for the savages' "rights", speaking as a civilian, and I will never adhere too your ideology. I am simply doing what is in Belgium's best interest, as devised by minds more familiar with military-integrity then you.

-General-Superior of Africa, Arthur Van Der Goltz

You know, General, I remember another Belgian historical figure who did what he thought was best for the nation without listening to civilian authority. His name was Andre Damseaux, and you resemble him more and more as time goes on.

And, lest there be any confusion, I have been to Benin, and spoken with many eloquent gentlemen of African descent. Just because they look different from us, and were not born into civilized society, does not mean that they cannot improve their lot in life just like any Belgian. When all are equal in a free market, only then can the best rise to the top; the same is true of society. All must be made equal in education and rights so the most talented men, be they Flemish, Wallonian, or African, can reap the rewards they deserve and create the best society for us all.

On a possibly less contentious subject, the Interior Minister has expressed his wishes to work in Batavia, and I feel he would be an excellent candidate to do so. I thus announce the following appointments:

Jacob de Zoet has tendered his resignation as Interior Minister, and is appointed Minister-President of Batavia.
Frederic Burke is hereby removed from his position of Minister of Labor, and is appointed Minister of the Interior.
J.B.H. van der Wyngaert is hereby appointed Minister of Labor.

- Pierre Savarin
 

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The New Beaufforist - In Turbulent Times


The modern political spectrum of Belgium has been profoundly altered over the past three decades, compiled with resurgent (and new) political ideologies that all wrestle for hegemony. Through these variations, a certain range of idea's and thoughts have been generally shunned from accepted normality. But as the parliamentary structure of Belgium becomes increasingly polarized and radical, many, no less myself, perceive such ideologies as the proper method to salvage the wreckage of Belgian politics. The most acknowledge doctrine, is the dogma of Jacques-Anne de Beauffort - Prime Minister from 1846-1851, and again from 1856-1865. The ideology of the late Prime Minister is known in common vernacular as Beauffortism, and is generally associated with the harsh negative connotation stemming from the illegal years of his regime. There is little doubt in my mind that the actions of the Prime Minister Beauffort and Prime Minister Charles-Augustin, my father, were in direct violation of the constitutional structure, and of the general sentiment. These were men of the age, when the devilish followers of Socialism were infants - and therefore, much more threatening to the vulnerable traditions of Belgium.

Beauffortism, however, is not singularly defined by its negative association. Instead, in the modern age, the ideals of Beauffortism seem like one of the few stern protectors of the Monarchy and the state, with the presence of Republicans, Socialists, and even a King - a King that has threatened to betray his own constitutional structure. Even the current status of Belgian Conservatism has been tainted - fusing with the Socialists - the very individuals that they are elected to prevent from taking the mantle of authority. The purity of moderate and conservative thought is being washed away by ambitions of electoral power, prompting those that claim to represent the Belgian populace, to seek alliances with the very contrasting ideologies. There can be little doubt that these alliances, formed with Republicanism and Socialism, are destructive - both in a cultural and economical sphere. Here dwells the truth of Beauffortism, for it's main intention is to prevent such entities from ever laying supreme claim over the Belgian nation. It exists to protect the Belgian businesses and shop owners the most radical of workers, and the cultural identity that has defined our nationality even prior to independence. The very fabric of this ideal is to be the guardian of the Belgian people, tasked with the preservation of Roman Catholicism and the stable development of business - to never become pawn to foreign ambitions and ensure that all common laborers can advance through industrial structure without sacrificing a single inch, of their traditional beliefs.

Belgium, will always be a nation at constant threat. Our idea's, unlike the twisted fervor of Socialism and Communism, seek to sustain the sovereign existence of our nation, which we have split too much blood to lose. For those that scrutinize my previous statement., heed the words of the Marxist himself; "Today the worker has no country, he does not take part in the life of the nation...But one of these days the workers will win political power and take a dominant position in state and nation and then...they will also be national and feel national, even though their nationalism will be of a different kind than that of the bourgeoisie." Gather, friends of the Kingdom, and examine this statement. While your brethren die to defend the families of your person, the leftists, the very sons of treachery, shall betray both you and your honorable foe - and instead, wipe clean your heritage, your home, in the name of their stained red flag. In this hour, few forces of principle intend to stand firmly in opposition, and strike wherever these rebels tread. But Beauffortism, standing by the written structure that defines this country - will never bow to the ambitions of such traitors. Workers and farmers, the hands of Belgium, fold not to these deceivers, for their plans are more evil then any conceivable demon.

Anyone who is responsible for a nation or its people must give careful consideration to the matters which can enhance the livelihood of the people, including the benefits to be gained from industrial production and the convenience derived from maritime and land transportation. He is tasked with the development of a system suitable to the country's natrual features and convention, taking into account the properties of its population. Through the guided hand of government assistance, those industries which are already developed must be preserved, and those which are not in existence must be brought into being. The international market has such profound profit, for all the people of Belgium, that the industries of our young Kingdom must be steadily supported by the national treasury to make certain that such sectors are not broken by the economic authority of England, France, and the other powers of the region. And when the policies of Beauffortism has guided our nation into economic supremacy, assisted by the vast treasures and labor of Africa, the ideals of the New Beauffortist thought will permit the market to exist in freedom - for the benefit of the management and their workforce.

The precise composition of the New Beaufforist movements yet remains vague in this discussion. Do we follow in the footsteps of our predecessors? Do we seek the enthronement of a French Lord? Is our method of preference, like our forefathers, illegality?

The divide in the ideology is imperative to understand the anatomy of our perspective. I, as the New Beaufforist, vehemently oppose the illegal actions imposed by my father and his predecessor. We must, as servants and heirs, respect the current blood-line of Belgium. But, we reject, with every possible fiber, the ascension of the recent heir if the boy is to agitate towards very institution that has watched over Belgium. Through means of legality and constitutional provision, Beauffortism will thrive - and provide a rebuttal to all that deny Monarchism as the best option for the nation.
 

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((I did overdo it a little bit, but de Coock is angry t the monarchists. ;)))
I believe you said, and I quote:

That equates both disaster and ruin. I'll admit, I may have accidentally misquoted you, but my basic point remains. The Constituional Convention must continue!
Deputy de Coock, proud Socialist and Republican

Yes, lets have a consitutional convention and then watch as our country slow falls into obscurity and ruin.

- Christian van de Velde, Count fo Ypres
 

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Prime Minister from 1846-1851, and again from 1856-1865.

((*1856-1863. ;)))



I must thank the Prime Minister for the faith he has shown in my abilities, and hope to serve admirably in my new portfolio. I shall look to arrange a meeting with M. Burke to ascertain policy ideas and foci for the department at the earliest convenience.

~ The Hon. J. H. B. Van der Wyngaert, Secretary of State for Labour
 

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Considering I command all native forces, I decide who is appointed as an officer and who is not. If the Chief of General Staff has any problems with my commands, he may discuss them with me and we can carry out an effective command. Have you ever been too Benin, Prime-Minister? Have you ever fought against the barbarians? These men would likely kill me the first chance I could give them, they do not understand the way of Europe, they never will. You cannot teach an ape how too speak! As always, my orders go too the Chief of General Staff's office, if he has any complaint, he may voice them. I have not a clue why you fight for the savages' "rights", speaking as a civilian, and I will never adhere too your ideology. I am simply doing what is in Belgium's best interest, as devised by minds more familiar with military-integrity then you.

-General-Superior of Africa, Arthur Van Der Goltz

General Van der Goltz, just do as the Prime Minister asks. We have allowed Africans to become officers for years, and as much as Monsieur Savarin's description of these crude soldiers as "eloquent gentlemen" may be inaccurate, their obedience in any rank and position has been proven time and again. Additionally, I wish to remind you that your Commander-in-Chief, the King, is unlikely to look favourably upon those who tag the African species as inferior. And to cite the good sir Darwin: Every species is through natural selection adapted best to their particular niche and conditions. We would do good to recognize this.

- Veldmaarschalk W.B. van Stern

((Apologies for the passive racism. I'm trying to depict Van Stern as a regular, well-willing Victorian indoctrinated by the prevalent opinions on race.))
 

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A Message from His Excellency, the Minister-President
People of Batavia,

The Belgian people, in their infinite wisdom, have decided to visit liberation upon you. No longer cast in iron fetters as you were under the oppressive Dutch, Batavia can now take her place as a Free State under the benevolent protective mantle of the Belgian race. Under my administration I pledge that Batavia will soon be a beacon of freedom and civilisation that will shine throughout all of Asia, still sweating under the colonial lash of less-enlightened nations. God himself has ordained your place as a protectorate of Belgium, and I will see to it that His expectations are fulfilled.

-Jacob de Zoet,
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I greatly applaud his majesty on his very noble words, words that are noble not by blood, but by action and sincerity. His Majesty Prosper-August is a fine young individual and shows that his convictions lay with his people, rather than his position. The greatest character is the one who will sacrifice something so major that he has been told of its grandeur since his youngest days to make a statement for his deepest beliefs in change. A truly selfless act Your Majesty, I pray his actions will not fall upon death ears and go to no avail.

I have long stood on the fence when it would come to the debate on the Monarchy, but the past months I have increasingly found myself in sympathy with the motions of Republicans. Furthermore I greatly support Prime Minister Savarin in his call for Convention, denying that change is coming is certainly precarious behavior. It is time we stop acting as though this will simply pass, it hasn't and I sincerely believe it shall not. Such is the wind of change, the wind of history.



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Official notice from the office of the General-Superior of Africa

I would like too affirm my societies' leader, Lt. Gen. Xavier-Pierre Florian Thaddee that his warnings have not gone unheeded and that I am not instituting an official colonial-wide demotion phase of all afican natives that have gone above the volunteer section of our ranks(therefore the highest rank an african native could achieve is 1st Master Corporal, below a Sergeant). I feel this is the most efficient and effective way too lead my colonial forces and I will not be taking advisement on this decision.​

The constant notion that seems to inhibit Mijnheer Van Der Goltz that he is beyond the control of his own government and lay above law and democracy is worrying and all to familiar.

At this Andrei starts laughing himself to tears

Dear Arthur, you don't have enough integrity to tie your own britches. You are the most lampooned poltroon in Belgium and most deservedly. Go resign your commission before you make yourself more of a laughing stock.

De Vos gets a good laugh out of it as well.

That too... well said Mijnheer.

~ de Vos, Minister of Foreign Affairs.
 

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Proposal Regarding the Firing of Ministers: Nay
Decent-Sized Military Proposal: Nay

I must say that the King's announcement has come as quite a surprise. However, I fully support his wish to see Belgium become a republic and believe that if we are to become a truly equal nation we must ensure that our government does not elevate any one person above any of the others. I also support the motion to hold a constitutional convention, as it is necessary if we wish to establish a republic.

As to Mijnheer de Leeuw's proposal to ensure party unity, I must say that it is a step in the right direction for the party. There are several points in it which are sensible, such as preventing members of either wing from insulting each other, though I believe that it should be clarified what exactly constitutes an insult. I do believe that there is the possibility that it could be interpreted to include criticism, which certainly should be allowed to continue so long as it is constructive. However, it misses the biggest issue that our party faces, the one which has created the most contention, and that is in regards to allowing radical leadership. Now, I understand that many of my radical colleagues would think it is undemocratic to only allow moderate members of the party to hold the leadership, but it is in the party's interests to do so. I have spoken with the leaders of the other majors parties, both on the left and the right, and they have all told me that they would find it very difficult or impossible to work with the BSU should it have a radical leader. This is not at all a lie, it is the truth, and as unfortunate as it is we must accept it. This is why my moderate colleagues and I are so concerned with the idea of a radical leader. It would hamper the BSU's ability to cooperate with the other major parties, make it difficult for our party to find itself within a government, and transform the party into a force to be avoided rather than sought after.

I wish this was not true, that other parties would be perfectly willing to work with us under radical leadership as they are under moderate leadership, but this is not how it is. If the BSU is to stay a viable political party, it must stay under moderate leadership. I do not deny the need to give the radicals a voice in the party's leadership, however, and support the motion to ensure that the Deputy Leader of the party is always a radical. The party's various successes can be attributed to the work of its moderate leadership, which has ensured the party's position in two reformist governments, its wide-scale acceptance in Belgian politics, and its ability to work with others to achieve reform. The radicals have also been important, however, and I will not deny that they have contributed to the gaining of popular support for reform, combined with the efforts of the moderate wing of the party and the other reformist parties. But radical leadership would simply be disastrous for the party.

I do not want the radical wing to misinterpret this as message of hatred toward them, as such an interpretation is not true. I may have quarreled with radical socialists in the past, just as they have quarreled with me, but I know that they are socialists just as any moderate is, be it that they are more extreme. This is not out of ill-will toward the radicals, but out of concern for the future of the party. If we are to maintain our status and position as an important party, as a force for reform, and as the voice of the poor and of the workers, we must accept the political realities that our party faces. I do not believe that the party must stay under moderate leadership because I wish to prolong my own leadership. I have led this party for nearly 20 years, and lead its predecessor, the UWP, for nearly 7 years. I deeply care for this party and for socialism, but I am tired of the continued power struggle that our party has faced for years, which has threatened not only our party but the government our party currently finds itself in as well. I strongly desire for our two wings to work together to help advance our cause, but this cannot happen with the constant threat that our party will suddenly find itself isolated from the other parties because of a sudden change in leadership. We must come to an agreement to ensure party unity, but this requires compromise on the part of both wings of our party. I am willing do what it takes to ensure the cooperation necessary, but it relies on the willingness of Mijnheer de Leeuw and the other radical socialists to accept the reality of the situation, that our party can only thrive if it remains under moderate leadership with a radical as Deputy Leader and if both wings work together, regardless of the personal ambitions of their members, to do what it takes to ensure that the BSU stays united and strong.

As I speak the forces of the right are mobilizing against us, the Beauffortists have risen again to attack all that we stand for, our progressive ideals, our commitment to reform, and our support of equality and of the workers. While its appears to be less aggressive that the Beauffortism of the past, who knows if it shall, in the end, turn to its roots and seek to extinguish our beliefs, to banish us, and to force us to throw off our proud labels as socialists or face persecution. If we are to stand up to this we unite, we must not let idealism and stubbornness prevent compromise, and we must fight for what unites us, not what divides us. I have hope that we can work together, that we can make the right decision and pave the way for a bright future for the BSU, for socialism, and for the workers. All that stands in the way of this is a willingness to make the tough choices, to set aside power for unity, and to do what it takes to keep us united in a pivotal time for our party, for our cause, and for Belgium.

~ Christiaan Loewen, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Justice, and Leader of the BSU
 

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Proposal Regarding the Firing of Ministers: No
Decent-Sized Military Proposal: No

My votes are mostly based on the substance of the proposed amendments, but also are a protest against the near-illiteracy of the legislative draftsmanship they demonstrate.

I also raise my voice in support of the proposed Constitutional Convention. We've had several decades to evaluate the experiment of 1846; surely, now we can improve on what was done then.

Dirk Hendrickx, Deputy for Mons
 

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Considering I command all native forces, I decide who is appointed as an officer and who is not. If the Chief of General Staff has any problems with my commands, he may discuss them with me and we can carry out an effective command. Have you ever been too Benin, Prime-Minister? Have you ever fought against the barbarians? These men would likely kill me the first chance I could give them, they do not understand the way of Europe, they never will. You cannot teach an ape how too speak! As always, my orders go too the Chief of General Staff's office, if he has any complaint, he may voice them. I have not a clue why you fight for the savages' "rights", speaking as a civilian, and I will never adhere too your ideology. I am simply doing what is in Belgium's best interest, as devised by minds more familiar with military-integrity then you.

-General-Superior of Africa, Arthur Van Der Goltz

Additionally, Arthur, you've been assigned as commander of I Corps - has the telegram not reached Africa?
 

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The Third Annual Belgian Challenge Cup Competition
Report upon the outcome of the FA Cup, 1888

Below are the results of the Third Annual Belgian Cup Competition, which has made a welcome return after this committee was sadly forced to cancel last year's tournament. The congratulations of the committee go to all teams who cometed for their sportsman-like conduct throughout, and in particular to Ghent Football Club for a well deserved victory. I would also like to congratulate Monsiuer Peter van Dalen of Ghent FC, who recieved the Duke of Benin's Cup, a new award for the player who scored the most goals during the tournament, and Monsiuer Marietje Schaake of Leuven FC, who recieved the Chairman's Cup for Sporting Conduct.

Lord Jean-Luc Poisson, 2nd Duke of Benin
Permanent Member of the Board of the Belgian Football Association with responsibility for Competitions and Tournaments
On behalf of the Committee of the Belgian Challenge Cup Competition

Table of Results

First Round
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FC Mons
2-2​
Tournai AC​
ReplayTournai AC
2-1​
FC Mons​
Ghent FC
4-3​
SC Charleroi​
Bruxelles RAFC
4-3​
FC Leuven​
FC Kruibeke
0-1​
UW Sint-Gillis-Waas​
Liege United FC
2-2​
Westerlo FC​
ReplayWesterlo FC
2-0​
Liege United FC​
De Haan GFC
1-3​
Antwerpen RNFC​
Arlon English FC
4-1​
SS Namur​
US Bruxelloise
0-0​
Mechelen AA​
ReplayMechelen AA
0-3​
US Bruxelloise​
Second Round
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Tournai AC
2-2​
Westerlo FC​
ReplayWesterlo FC
2-0​
Tournai AC​
Ghent FC
3-1​
Antwerpen RNFC​
Bruxelles RAFC
4-1​
Arlon English FC​
UW Sint-Gillis-Waas
4-4​
US Bruxelloise​
ReplayUS Bruxelloise
4-2​
UW Sint-Gillis-Waas​
Semi-Finals
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Westerlo FC
4-2​
Bruxelles RAFC​
Ghent FC
3-1​
US Bruxelloise​
Final
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Westerlo FC
0-1​
Ghent FC​
 

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A Message from the Chairman of the Board, Royal Belgian Football Association


I wish to congratulate all participants in this year's Challenge Cup, especially our second winners, Ghent FC. My commiserations to Westerlo FC for losing a close final. Thank you once again for a fine footballing display.


Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jean-Camille Van der Wyngaert
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Chairman's Cup
Awarded to the chairman of a participant club for sporting conduct throughout the Challenge Cup.

((I'd sort of imagined it would go to the player who displayed the best sportsmanship (the Chairman, in this case, being the Chairman of the FA)...))