By Sword and Quill: the Aerts Interview,
by Pierre Blancharde
This man has certainly interested me for a long time. A second generation of a political dynasty, starting with a rather controversial statesman and politician, Aimeus Aerts, a Minister of War and of Foreign Affairs in several MLP governments. A Belgian patriot with Dutch roots and a Russian name. A Conservative son of a Liberal father. Probably one of the most successful diplomats in our history, architect of our Sokotan expansion and NGF alliance.
It was Monsieur Pytor Aerts, the Minister of Foreign Affars and the member of the Conservative League. The moment I thought about him I understood I must have this interview.
When I contacted Mr Aerts, he responded quite eagerly, writing me a letter of approval. What surprised me was the place he has chosen for our meeting. I expected it to be his mansion – or a magnificent ministerial cabinet, full of expensive furniture, papers with royal seals and grim-looking civil servants. Usually politicians choose such places to intimidate the journalists and keep us from asking uncomfortable questions. However Mr Aerts has preferred another approach.
«Lets meet at Madame Mallardes, at Rue de Roy, 23» - the Minister has written to me – «This café has excellent gingerbread biscuits, shaped as cats, and is rather cosy».
In a few days we were sitting in a little cozy restaurant, surrounded by flirting couples and lunching clerks, drinking tea, eating sweets and chatting. A young-looking well-dressed gentleman was quite an interesting interlocutor. He was answering in a direct manner, without taciturn mannerisms the politicians of an older generation preferred. His responses were usually energetic, rather short – but containing all the detail I needed, or so I thought. Looking at Minister Aerts, I understood why the Dutch King and Yankee President found a dangerous adversary in him. Oh, and the cat-shaped cookies were indeed delicious.
Pytor Aerts, the Minister of Foreign Affairs in His Majesties Government
Blancharde: Minister, I thank you for finding a few hours for this interview. Your life is certainly remarkable, and I would like to deal with its beginning first. You were born in the family of a well-known statesman, Mr Aimeus Aerts. Did the fact that you belong to a political dynasty influence your ambitions and aspirations in any way? How did it happen that a son of a liberal politician became a conservative one? Do you still share any ideas with your father? Сould you please tell us
Aerts: Well, first off, my father did raise me to be a better statesman than he ever was, so from birth I was expected to achieve high office. In regards to ideology, my father was a moderate liberal, he might have joined the centrists if he was still alive. I consider myself to be a very moderate conservative, and hold similar beliefs as my father did. I do like the current set up of the government more than he did though.
Blancharde: You were born during the Damseaux coup, Mr Aerts, the events of which – frankly speaking – were considered by many as a serious stain on your fathers reputation. It was said that it was dishonorable for a Minister of War to support a coup – and that it was double dishonorable for a gentleman to act as a mole and spy, betraying the people who trusted him. Did your father ever share his views on these events with you?
Aerts: He did occasionally from time to tim. When he became Minister of War, he was determined to help the military become great. He placed a lot of trust in Damseaux, and did not ever suspect the coup, even when Brabant confided his fears. When the coup happened, my father felt utterly betrayed. He was not sure whether to flee or not. Damseaux, who respected my father allowed him to leave if choose to do so. After a message from Brabant, my father decided to stay and work for the true government. I believe what he did was quite brave, and Damseaux would have killed him if he had found my father out.
Blancharde: Understood. Another controversial issue connected with your father took place during 1851 elections, when his parliamentary group suddenly announced that it will be supporting the conservatives, and then changed its mind and voted MLP again. After this election your father became MoFA. Could you comment on this occasion?
Aerts: All I know was my father was very disillusioned at this point, and he may not have really cared who was in power.
Blancharde: OK, lets return to you. You spent your first adult years in the army. What can you tell us about that time? Did you get any combat experience? What did your military service teach you?
Aerts: I was an officer in the Army during the conflict with Sokoto and the US. I did see combat. What combat taught me was that war is something I do not take pleasure in, and as such, I turned down a promotion to general, and went into the foriegn service in the hopes of preventing conflicts such as this.
Blancharde: After leaving the army you joined the diplomatic corps, and were the Ambassador to Russia for some time. This country is really distant from us, and we mostly remember it for the sad experience of the Netherlands war, when it supported our enemies. What can you tell us of current Russia, its Tsar and its people? Did you like something about this state? Is there is hope we can become friends in the future - or this empire is too aggressive and barbarous?
Aerts: Russia is a great nation. It is large, and supports a wondrous culture. It also has a great army. It is unfortunately quite aggressive, as most empires are, and we have unfortunately been on different sides of conflicts. I believe the Russian people harbor no ill will towards us, and we might one day be friends. I do not believe that time is soon.
Blancharde: How did you find the Russian monarch and his court? Have you ever participated in the famous Russian leisure activities, such as St Petersburg balls and bear hunts?
Aerts: During my time in russia I had plenty of time to enjoy russian leisure activities, as is often required in diplomacy. I unfortunately did not have too much contact with Alexander II. I mainly dealt with their Foreign Minister
Blancharde: Now we come to Beauffort coup, this event that influenced every family in our country. Where were you during this time? It is known that one of your relatives, General Aerts, was a Beauffortist – did you ever contact him?
Aerts: I was lucky. I stayed with some friends in Russia during the coup. I had no attention to get embroiled in a civil war with brother killing brother. In regards to my cousin, I never really contacted him. Communication from St. Petersburg was not a priority during the coup
Blancharde: After the coup ended, you decided to choose the political career – and, we must say, you were very successful here. During your second term as deputy you got the office of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, one of the highest and most coveted in the cabinet. One that your father managed to get only after long years of governmental service. Why, do you think, were you chosen for such a high position? Did you feel completely ready for it?
Aerts: I personally believe I got the job because the Conservatives had lost most of their main politicians during the coup, and I was one of the most experienced diplomats left. In regards for feeling ready, I was certainly nervous, and not sure how well I would do, but in the end the results far exceeded any expectations.
Blancharde: It must be said, sir, that, despite it being your first term in this office, you proved to be probably one of the best (if not the best!) MoFA in Belgian history. You managed to solve problems that your predecessors could not solve since the establishment of our country! Later we will deal with the details, but now just tell us – what is your system? Magic? Secret techniques? Сats? (Blancharde laughs)
Aerts: Well, my father did have a cat that he brought with him everywhere... Honestly, I just take stock of what i have at my disposal, and use what assets and diplomatic influence I have as wisely as I can. I am not afraid to use Belgian strength in negotiations.
Blancharde: One of your first achievements was driving American influence out of Sokoto, and persuading the caliph to annul the treaty of Common Interest with USA. What was actually the influence of the Yankees in these lands based on, and how did you manage to expel it? It has been said that the Americans have threatened you with another war - why it did not happen then?
Aerts: Well, to gain influence over the Caliph, I just needed to get his top advisors onto my side, along with the military commanders. As such, I had to send my best diplomats to negotiate more favorable agreements with them than the Americans had. In regards to a lack of war, I feel the Americans do not like to get involved in Europian conflicts, and the American public did not want a war with an even stronger Belgium
Blancharde: In the beginning of Wolff term the so-called Belgian succession crisis happened. How did it influence the foreign relationships, how did the other countries react to the fact that the throne was vacant for some time? Did you notice any changes?
Aerts: I really did not. I feel most of Europe does not really pay attention to Belgium most of the time. Despite what may be obviously fact, they do not often see us as a threat. We are at the very edge of Europe, and they have little interest in our lands I do believe the Europian monarchs were relieved a monarch stayed in place, though.
Blancharde: You are said to be one of the principal architects of Belgian colonial expansion during the Scramble. Why were the Yoruba States and West Benin outlined as the primary target?
Aerts: I was actually not that much into the Colonial planning, as I was focusing my energy on Sokoto and Europe, but I do believe we went after the territories we did for population. I believe the hope was that we could use colonial solders to drasticly boost the size of our military.
Blancharde: All right, lets return to Sokoto then. Many were amazed, when you persuaded the Sokotan chieftains to recognize Belgian suzerainty without spilling a drop of blood! How did you manage to do it, make them technically give up or limit their powers? The Caliph was not very popular, it seems?
Aerts: Not just that, but the chieftains knew the writing on the wall. Either it would be us, the Americans, or some other Europian power. I was able to "convince" them to back us instead of the Caliph. The Caliph is also not too good of a leader, and they felt he was too close with the Americans.
Blancharde: Ah, thank you. Some people are worried about the «controllable self-governance» сoncepte that was implemented in Sokoto, instead of our direct rule. These lands still seem to be ruled by the caliph (a new one, though) and local elites. Now they seem to be loyal to us – but who knows, what will happen next? What mechanisms do we have to keep them under control? Are we sure that we will be able to spread Christian and European ideals in these lands, while the old Muslim overlords are in charge? Could you please comment?
Aerts: Well, in order to keep control, their power is completely reliant on our goodwill. Also, we have a far superior army. In regards to spreading Christanity and European ideals, this is the Ministry of Educations job, but I do believe we shall set up missions and schools to encourage conversion.
Blancharde: Your ability to secure to the alliance with North Germany has pleased Belgians greatly as well. Can you tell us, why did it happen now – while NGF had refused to conclude the treaty many times before?
Aerts: I honestly have no idea what they planned on doing. I made sure I meet with the North German ambassador every week, and discussed a possible alliance with them. Everytime it was "sorry, unfortunately we are not interested." Then, one day I walk into my office and sitting on my desk is a telegram from their foreign minister. I was quite suprised and pleased.
Blancharde: It was often said that during 1874 we were absurdly close to another war with Netherlands. Do you think there really was such a threat, or it was just an attempt to intimidate and blackmail us? What measures did you take during these times?
Aerts: I believe the Dutch were planning on invading us, but they did not count on the massive increase in the size of our army. I, for my part continually warned the Dutch ambassador not to do anything that would bring destruction to his county. I also acted with an air of strength. I believe that helped dissuade him from pressing some issues.
Blancharde: An excellent approach, Minister! Now, what course should the Belgian diplomacy take now, you think? If you would keep your portfolio as MoFA after these elections, what will be your main aims?
Aerts: My main aims would be to bring Ethiopia under our influence, and do my part to make Belgium felt on the world stage.
Blancharde: We must say that your start of governmental career has indeed been magnificent. Do you intend, perhaps, to try to move to even greater levels in the future and become the Prime Minister?
Aerts: I am not sure yet. If I do attempt to seek becoming Prime Minister, it will be after most of the old guard of the Conservative League has moved on. I have great respect for those men, and I do feel they are great leaders and men.
Blancharde: Clearly busy with your governmental work, you do not speak very often in the parliament. Our readers would like to enquire, what are the most important political ideals for you? What do you think on the recent monarchy-republic, socialism and secessionism issues?
Aerts: I am quite happy with the current state of the government's structure, and while I realize social reforms will be neccessary, I believe we must proceed carefully, and pragmatically into them. We must be aware of concequences and if our nation can sustain them.
Blancharde: Thank you for your time, Minister! Now, one last question – could you please tell us about your family and leisure activities? What do you do, when you are not busy dealing with international problems?
Aerts: I am married to a wonderful Russian wife. I as of right now do not have any kids. In regards to leisure I mainly attend the usual activities politicans in this town attend, such as operas. Unfortunitely we don't have a concert hall. hope I will be able to change that.
Published in the La Canard Newspaper