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Of course, by all means, take a parting jab and refrain from entering into real debate.



Excellent statistical truths by the way, surely no one could form a different opinion based on these "facts". Almost as scientifically relevant and rigorously proven as the use of the phrase "Vanderhoofing".

It is certainly good to know that 2% unemployment and the death of noncompetitive industries, which were quickly replaced by more successful ones, is known as economic collapse though. Propping them up through subsidies that bleed the treasury dry and prevent stable industries from taking their place would likely be your model of success then correct? And now the actions of others are Mr. Vanderhoof's responsibility, you definitely have an interesting philosophy Baron.

But fair enough, I am sure we will have more words for each other later.

-Anthony M. Dewitt

Perhaps your right.

I provided the opinion.

And my counter-part provided the rhetoric of which he preached against.

And if I recall, after the little "incident" with the former-Minister of Finance. The regional unemployment was 44% and the last remaining factory had closed. So, 2% and non-competitive industries is not a exactly a accurate statement.

((Part 4 of my drunk posts continue!

I reference this: "the rate of regional unemployment remained 44%" and "When the last factory in Flanders closed in August"))
 

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Pardon my boisterous interruption into the affairs of the elected, but with a failed economy under Liberal policy and an understaffed and underfunded military, where would we be if the Dutch under the fist of William invaded us once again these coming days? The ideas in mind by the Conservative side would suit the public better and allow for a suitable and quick recovery from a loss of time by the former governing body.

We need a military and we need one fast, yet with an economy in need of repair it will be hard to do so, how do we manage this? Does the Liberal side offer any idea? Nay, I will not listen to such people, I would rather hear the wisdom of the Conservatives in the CCP and know with 'certainty' that we will be better off and on the right path to recovery and dominance in our lands! The Netherlands will never set foot in Belgium as long as the right people are in Office and a competent Military is fielded and at the ready! We need a standing army, we need the factories and fields to produce such an army! So let us do the right thing and seek the wisest course on the river bend!

- Gérard de Merode, Marquis of Westerlo
 

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I see the level of debate from the CCP has sadly declined since the incapacity of Bishop Delcroix. I sincerely wish him a speedy recovery to rude health so that he can restore some sanity to the gusts of ill informed opinion currently eminating from some of his newer colleagues.

M. de Merode has referred to our military. I would have thought this is a most apposite area to prove the opposite of his latest sally. The army was wrecked through the foolishness of adventurists and reactionaries in the Second Revolution. It is a great credit to the PLM government that we were able to rebuild the Army and forestall any Dutch aggresion.

Furthermore, as part of a Government of National Unity, my successor, Marechal Diaz, who was appointed as a CCP representative to Chief of Staff, has performed admirably in continuing the stewardship of the Army after I handed over the reigns. He has proven a most capable administrator and a man of honour who has helped keep the country stable in these most trying times. Those ill informed members of the CCP who now seek to slight our army in order to score cheap political points little appreciate that they are in turn attacking their own party. Those members would be better served to think before they speak and take their lead from the senior members of the CCP.

Lt Gen Patrice Burke
 
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Mon dieu, the conservatives for these past few months have sounded more like the Baron van den Brucke than the reasonable men I had come to know. Where is Delcroix? Where is Count Lebeau? Where are those men who know better than to believe ridiculous lies like that we have been trying to destroy Flanders?

You can disparage Monsieur Vanderhoof all you like, but the fact remains that the market imbalance did indeed get solved, and the two of us spent many sleepless nights in our respective Ministries ensuring the market had all the tools it needed to succeed. And are my colleagues seriously complaining about two percent unemployment? That is lower than nearly all of Europe! I hold great sympathy for these men; some of my own workers were, sadly, among them. I did my best to ensure that they had means to support themselves for a while. This is how economic recovery happens; in the private, not the public, sphere. I operate a for-profit business, but I am not soulless. The economy would have left people unemployednwhether we practiced laissez-faire or interventionism. We cannot stick our heads in the sand by saying "Let's intervene!" and pretend that the underlying business cycle will go away. Those industries would have failed either way. Laissez-faire ultimately solves the problem better and faster.

Monsieur DeWitt is right; interventionism would have only delayed the development of truly competitive industry while also bankrupting the country. There are as many Flemings as Walloons in this cabinet; two of three of our acting Prime Ministers have been Flemings. Meanwhile, while honest Flemings like my colleagues and Walloons like myself try to fix the market situation with honest, free-market efforts, the Flemish Movement implicitly condones the Flemish Nationalists that have terrorized the country by refusing to proclaim their illegitimacy. The Belgium I know has not been the same since Daret died. Not the same at all.
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Later that evening, Georges sits down at his desk at his Brussels apartment.

Dear Estelle,

Oh, how I wish I could be back in Charleroi! Parliament is a madhouse. These days I've been mostly in the Ministry and dealing with East Asian Company business. I don't address the Chambers unless I can help it, it's filled with so many rabid reactionaries now. If I have to stand for election, I will - Charleroi is solid NDP territory - but I must confess all this is beginning to take its toll. Someone's always breathing down my neck, I can't see you or Pierre, I don't know what to do...
 

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Constable Vermeulen sits in his study. His eyes seem far away as he stares into the dying flames in his fireplace. He shakes his head.

"They don't understand...They can't understand."

He purses his lips and reaches for quill, and parchment. He begins to write.

"I will have to prepare..."
 

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It was about time that the Conservative politicians of our country showed some spine!
With some luck I could return to my country soon enough to celebrate the end of this dictatorship.

But the most amusing thing certainly is to see the Jacobins denying the very existence of the Economic crisis that they, and that pathetic buffoon that is Vanderhoof, caused by staying idle while the economy needed immediate intervention! I wonder if they are sincerely convinced that every crisis must be resolved by waiting and doing nothing. And then we see them saying that trying to do something to resolve our problem is "sticking our heads in the sand" and refusing to see the real issue!

Jacobins are indeed great comedians!

- Baron Frederick Van Den Brucke
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Jacobins are indeed great comedians!

- Baron Frederick Van Den Brucke
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I believe that definition has you as a 'Jacobin' too.

~Jean-François, Vicomte du Sint-Niklaas, MWO
 

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The 1846 Parties​


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Moderate Liberal Leader: Maximiliaan van Brabant ((Gen. Marshall))


Pro Military/Pluralism/Laissez-Faire/Free Trade/Full Citizenship [1+1+2+1+2=7]

The Moderate Liberal Party
Gematigde Liberale Partij
Parti Libéral Modéré


Concept (TLDR)
The GLP/PLM (most often abbreviated GLP) is a moderate Liberal party, striving for individual and commercial freedom in a realistic way. Rather than taking a radical stance, this party seeks to compromise, and to find a solution that fits all. The poor must be protected from harm, but in the end it is economical welfare that will increase general wealth and favour everyone in our country. God’s institutions on Earth, the King and the Catholic Church, are duly respected as such, but the PLM believes that their power on Belgian politics should be moderated. After all, the Government exists to serve the people, and should be elected by the people. The people of both Flanders and Wallonia are, of course, equal and this party will enforce the rights of all Belgians alike.

Manifest
The following section will deal with the position of the GLP/PLM regarding specific issues. While the Party Concept, as outlined above, is not subject to change and embodies the core of our party, our point of view on the following issues may change as the political situation changes. The following is in no way or form a full list of our opinions; any question or issue may be submitted to the Party Office, and we will do our best to include these questions or issues in the overview below.

Economics
Laissez-Faire
The focal point of the GLP is to improve the Belgian economy. Usually, this will require a Laissez-Faire approach, since full competition between companies makes these companies more efficient and keeps prices at as low a level as possible. However, history has shown us that the economy can, at times, enter a nation-wide crisis. This party would, at those times, not be opposed to government intervention, but only if it is clear that the intervention will help the economy, and that the accumulated debt could be easily repaid when the economy strengthens.

Armament
Defensive Military
The GLP is convinced that our young state needs a strong, defensive military force. This goal can be achieved in tandem with our goal of improving the economy, if we make sure that all military production is based on Belgian soil. Orders for military equipment can provide a well-needed boost to the economy, increasing the turnover of arms manufacturers and decreasing unemployment rates.

Foreign Affairs
Survival & Profitability
Our diplomatic missions in these days should be primarily focused on the survival of this nation. This can be achieved through alliances, guarantees and non-aggression pacts. Defensive alliances with the French and British should be considered, as well as a non-aggression pact with the Dutch. If we manage to ensure the survival of our nation like this, then we may set out to colonize. Africa is mostly undivided, and we might be able to extract valuable resources from its territories. Other destinations may be considered as well, as long as they are profitable.

Trade Tax
Free Trade / Protectionism
The GLP feels that trade is the essence of economic success. Therefore, domestic and outgoing trade shall not be taxed in any way or form. Preferably, inbound trade would not be taxed either, but if necessary this can be altered. For example, if cheap foreign products flood the market and harm our economy, we may raise tax on said products.

Income Tax
Low & Proportional
Taxes are a vital part of the government’s income, but at the same time they are a major factor hindering economic welfare. Therefore, we must keep taxes to the very minimum level we need to maintain the state. Such a fixed, universal tax rate would be low enough for everyone to pay. Working class citizens would keep enough money to provide for themselves, middle class businessmen would still be able to invest in their companies, and the upper class gentlemen would not be disproportionally taxed for their efforts to improve our country.

Domestic Affairs
Full Citizenship
The Government exists to serve the People, and represent the People. Unfortunately, in a country the size of Belgium, direct democracy is out of the question, so the GLP sees it as its duty to represent the People as directly as they can. The constitutional rights of Belgian citizens will always be upheld, and their duties reduced to a bare minimum.

Religion
Catholic Culture
The GLP is a party founded on a Catholic Christian culture. We do not, however, seek to discriminate against any religion, so Protestant and Orthodox Christians alike may feel free to join the party. Common values of the Catholic faith will be maintained, but we seek to limit the influence of the Church on state matters. With this in mind, an advisory role for the Catholic Bishops would be most suitable.

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Catholic Crown-Flemish Movement Coalition Leader: Jacques-Anne de Beauffort ((Marschalk))


Jingoism/Moralism/Interventionism/Free Trade/Limited Citizenship [0+0+1+1+1=3]​

The CCP-FB coalition aims once again to unite Belgium under the royal banner, end all internal struggles and conflicts. Civility, decency, law and order are our primary values. We thrive to create a strong and modern state, based on the values of monarchism, tradition, family, Christian philosophy - and, at the same time, tolerance and cooperation of all patriotic forces. Our policies will be people-orientated and family-orientated. We are proposing a system based on a principle of constructive and creative conservatism, which is able to apply both eternal traditional values – and innovations and new methods of government. Duty and honor, faith and unity, mutual respect and patriotism – that is the motto of our coalition. We propose carefully monitored, yet flexible, economy, we propose active and creative foreign policies. we propose bigger and better armed forces. We propose respect for traditions - and intention to develop our country.

Coalition Policies:

• Free Trade
• Interventionism
• Moralism
• Limited Citizenship
• Jingoism


Coalition Manifesto:

The following manifesto aims to elaborate on our policies, for the upcoming election, and seeks to offer an explanation as to why we feel such policies are necessary to ensure the prosperity of the Belgian people.

Economics:
Interventionism


The government of Belgium is honour-bound to protect the Belgian people, and should seek to do so in areas where the average Belgian citizen cannot alter the circumstances affecting them. This is most true of the economy, with the current economic situation in Flanders highlighting how quickly and cruelly men can lose their jobs to events beyond their control. A policy of interventionism will ensure that the people of Belgium can stay employed during the fluctuations that the economy brings.

Free Trade

The last financial crisis has demonstrated us, that protectionist policies would be harmful for our country now. We are not going to use restrictive quotas and extensive tariffs, in order to limit the free flow of goods and discourage foreign investors. We will refrain from actively taxing domestic and outgoing trade. Our policies should not stop the growth of manifacturing and make us lose the foreign imports. Our main aim now in to stimulate and restore the Flemish economy, not gain certain dividends which tariffs can bring us. Prosperity of people, not enrichment of the government – that is our main economical principle now. Later we can return to our traditional protectionism.


Armaments:
Jingoism


Belgium is surrounded by strong and aggressive nations, some of which do not hide their wishes to conquer our beautiful country once again. A couple of years ago, after the coup attempt, we have lost our whole army – and, therefore, have become we became vulnerable to the foreign threat. We cannot lose time now, and should improve this situation as soon as possible. Some of us think, that now, when we are allied with France, we should not to increase our armed forces, since our partner will always protects us. Such people do not understand, that a nation without an army will always be in a subservient position. It will not have allies – it will only have puppet-masters, it will not have enemies – it will only have overlords. An army is the only thing that can truly make the nation independent.

Therefore, the resurrection and improvement of our armed forces must be our main aim now. We need to increase the numbers of our troops and improve their battle techniques, to organize certain re-staffing and rearmament programs. Jingoistic spirit will help us to fulfill this task quickly and effectively. I promise, that during my term, I will do everything to leave us with a modern and professional army, that will make us a power, that other nations will have to respect.

At the same time, Jingoism is going to mean, that we will be able to behave in a more decisive and self-respectful way, that we did before. After the coup attempt and double invasion of our country (though one of them was a benevolent one), many forces started to see us a puppet nation, that will always rely on foreign help and will never have a say in European politics. When we will be able to defend ourselves well (and, if it is needed, guarantee our interests aboard), we will become a truly sovereign and influential nation.

Foreign Affairs:
Honest Cooperation and Firm Protection of External Interests


Our main aim it to become recognized as a great power of Europe, and we should do everything we can to create strong alliances in Europe. Very much wil depend from our ability to become a military power. As I have noted before, a weak nation will never be respected, other nations will always dictate us our terms, instead of working with us, as with equal partners. When we will acquire considerable armed forces, we will have much more diplomatic possibilities, than we have now. We should develop our relationships with France, that has proven to be a reliable and loyal friend – and, at the same time, look for other worthy partners, that will be able to aid us, if the Dutch-Prussian alliance tries to take our freedom from us

In the uncivilized East, we should consider adapting to the changing political situation there, and carving out our own respective sphere of influence. Belgian must maintain good relations with her fellow European powers, and must take advantage of any situations that offer her benefits in Asia.


Citizenship:
Limited Citizenship


The people of Belgium are the Flemish and the Walloons, but this does not mean we discriminate against any immigrants who are not of these cultures. Those who are not natural Belgian citizens must undergo a ‘naturalization’ process before they can truly be regarded as being Belgian. We open our arms to immigrants, but not at the expense of the rights and responsibilities entrusted to the Belgian people.


Religious Policy:
Catholicism and the State


Belgium is a primarily Catholic nation, with the Catholic faith being not only the faith of most of the people, and the King, but is also constitutionally recognized as being the state religion of our nation. Our morals, our ethics, our civilization are based on Christianity, they make the society better. The Catholic faith must be preserved, and if possible expanded, throughout Belgium, but not at the expense of those who do not follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Belgium holds a sizeable number of those who do not follow the Pope in Rome, and as such they must have their religious views accepted and protected.


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Player Actions Needed:
The 1846 General Election has now begun. VOTE! I need your vote for the Moderate Liberals, the Catholic Crown Party, or any minor party - the minor parties are currently the National Democrats, Vlaamse Beweging, and the Bloc for National Unity if memory serves. Please vote for the party, not the candidate. The coalition that receives at least a majority (above 50%) of the votes will be able to form a government.

Marshall, I couldn't wait for your platform (since I might not be around for the rest of today), so I used your old one. Please PM me an updated platform with any changes you wish to make or post it in this thread.

As always, remember to bold your votes or they might not be counted.

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Recall that abstentions add just one seat to "independents", representing you. Normally, a vote is worth more than one seat in the Parliament.

Polls will close in two days, at 8:00 PM PST 8/23 (Friday). If I'm doing the math right, that's 3:00 AM GMT, Saturday.
 
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A plump messenger enters the chambers. He is easily identified as being the same man who informed the Chambers of the Archbishop's disease earlier, by tripping pathetically over a chair. Red-faced, the man stands back up, and hands a note to a clerk, before hurridly exiting the Chambers before he can embaress himself further. The clerk reads the note, and clears his throat.

It appears Archbishop Delcroix, being still confined to his bed but being lucid, has asked his vote to be sent to these chambers. As such, here is vote, which he wishes to make known;

Party: Catholic Crown Party - I again wish Marquis Beauffort luck in his campaign. I also ask that my peers, on all sides of the political spectrum, strive to work civilly with one another.
 

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Party: Catholic Crown