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[Jako473]

The memo on 1st Calvary Division «Wallonia»​

Branch: Belgian Royal Forces
Type: Calvary

Size: three Calvary Brigades, 9000 men(3000 Wallonian, 6000 Flemish) 9000 horses

Part of: Land Forces
Location: Liege, City HQ
Nickname: [Yet to be Determined]
Engagements:
Motto: Only the Brave Receive the Glory
colors: Prussian White and black

Сurrent Commander: Lieutenant - General Aaron Van Der Goltz

Current Chief of Staff: Colonel Friedrich Alpers
Current units:

1er Brigade De Cavaliers : 3000 men, 3000 horses all Flemish soldiers from Brussels region.​

Nickname: Hölle Sturms (German for: Hell storms)

Current commanding officer: Colonel Richard Walther Darré

Consists of:
1st Cuirassier Regiment (сommanding officer :Lieutenant- Colonel Curt von Gottberg)[/CENTER]
2nd Cuirassier Regiment (сommanding officer:Lieutenant-major Karl Fiehler )
3rd Cuirassier Regiment (сommanding officer: Lieutenant-Colonel Herbert Otto Gille)

2eme Brigade de cavalerie : 3000 men, 3000 horses, all Walloons from namur region.[/CENTER]

Nickname: Laden Maschines(Charging Machines)

Consists of:
1st Dragoons Regiment : (сommanding officer: Colonel Count Maximilian von Herff)
2nd Dragoons Regiment : (сommanding officer: Colonel Richard Hildebrandt)
3rd Dragoons Regiment : (commanding officer: Lieutenant Colonel Walter Krüger)

3e Cavalerie Brigade: 3000 men, and 3000 horses all Flems from Hasselt region.​

Nickname: Witwe's sich sorgen(German for: Widow's Worry)

Consists of:
4th Cuirassier regiment (сommanding officer: lieutenant Colonel Emil Mazuw )
5th Cuirassier Regiment (сommanding officer: Colonel Joachim von Ribbentrop)
6th Cuirassier Regiment (сommanding officer: Colonel Karl Wolff)

((If you would like to join the 1st Calvary Division, Pm me. Stating why you would like to join and how you are qualified, new members are welcome!))

 

[Harpsichord]

((Jako, would you mind not using so much spacing? Double spacing every line really fills up a page.))

 

[Jako473]

((Jako, would you mind not using so much spacing? Double spacing every line really fills up a page.))

((I know its alot, but since we have a small military me and some of the others thought it would be good if we made post for each of the Divisions. So they each grow and have their own history, these[see marschalk's post a little bit ago] act as "Mother" pages for the division, where I can go back and revise and such. I like flavour, plus near a 100 pages of FoE are filled with OOC fluff, I would prefer this than that. Sorry if it disturbed you.))

 

[Harpsichord]

((I know its alot, but since we have a small military me and some of the others thought it would be good if we made post for each of the Divisions. So they each grow and have their own history, these[see marschalk's post a little bit ago] act as "Mother" pages for the division, where I can go back and revise and such. I like flavour, plus near a 100 pages of FoE are filled with OOC fluff, I would prefer this than that. Sorry if it disturbed you.))

(( :s I didn't say I mind the post, I just said maybe limit the double spacing.))

 

[Jako473]

(( :s I didn't say I mind the post, I just said maybe limit the double spacing.))

((I get your meaning now, I shortened it up a bit.))

 

[Marschalk]

I would like to announce the ranks of the men leading our armies for clarification.

Aaron van der Goltz has been promoted to the rank of Lieutenant-General.

Prince Charles de Ligne has been promoted to the rank of Lieutenant-General.

Phillipe de Bertrix has been promoted to the rank of Major-General.

Congratulations on your promotions and your assignments. Long live the King.

- Field Marshall Damseaux

I thank His Majesty the King and my superior officer, Field Marschall Damseux, for this high rank. I must report, that I have finished the inspection of my division, have settled all pending administrative matters and made all neccessary appointments. I have sent the copies of my memorandum on the current status of 3rd Infantry Division "Wallonia" to His Excellency Field-Marschall Damseux and to the War Minister. I will be continuing to train the troops now, and will await new orders.

- Charles, Prince de Ligne, Lieutenant-General, Commander of the 3rd Infantry Division

(( The memorandum - http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...active-AAR&p=15870894&viewfull=1#post15870894 ))

 

[Tapscott]

I have to express my extreme dissatisfaction with the current proposals on the table and the recent developments with regards to the armed forces.

The Delcroix Amendment would effectively put the parliament's veto of the monarch in the hands of the courts.
Vanderhoof's Belgian Proclamation on Trade would, as written, create a private quasi-legislative branch with power over a cabinet position.
Vanderhoof's Regency Council of Belgium would leave us at the behest of a committee at a time when the nation would need a single voice to ensure stability and continuity. I had previously proposed rules for a single-man regency during the previous crisis but I do not feel that proposal fits our situation any longer.
Expanding the freedom of the press must come with sensible limits, such as prohibiting the publication and distribution of pornographic materials or materials detrimental to the moral fabric of our society.

The situation with our armed forces concerns me as a resident of Flanders. Despite rules governing the bilingualism of our nation, the upper echelons of the army will give orders in French and they will be educated at a French-named institution in French-speaking lands. The army will effectively be run by French-cultured gentlemen. Any right-thinking Flemish man, no matter what their political persuasion, should find this concerning.

- Leopold Percival Willems

The Delcroix Amendment is designed to prevent abuse of the system. If proper justification can be given as to why the King should be blocked from ascending the throne, then the courts would recognize this. If the monarch was blocked for political reasons, such as to gain political favour with the next in-line to the Throne, or for personal reasons, such as a personal disagreement over something as trivial as to which breed of horse is preferred, then the Monarch could not blocked from ascending to the Throne.

~ Sébastien Delcroix, Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels

 

[SirkTheMonkey]

The Delcroix Amendment is designed to prevent abuse of the system. If proper justification can be given as to why the King should be blocked from ascending the throne, then the courts would recognize this. If the monarch was blocked for political reasons, such as to gain political favour with the next in-line to the Throne, or for personal reasons, such as a personal disagreement over something as trivial as to which breed of horse is preferred, then the Monarch could not blocked from ascending to the Throne.

~ Sébastien Delcroix, Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels

If it is to come down to a choice between the judgement of the legislature or the judgement of the judiciary on a matter of intuition, I would trust the legislature. The Amendment says "this [legislative ratification] shall be the sign of popular approval of the King's reign". What if the Courts overturn a legislative veto? That is not popular approval, merely the approval of several men who occupy a high office.

- Leopold Percival Willems

 

[Tapscott]

If it is to come down to a choice between the judgement of the legislature or the judgement of the judiciary on a matter of intuition, I would trust the legislature. The Amendment says "this [legislative ratification] shall be the sign of popular approval of the King's reign". What if the Courts overturn a legislative veto? That is not popular approval, merely the approval of several men who occupy a high office.

- Leopold Percival Willems

Indeed it would be. But my amendment deals with removing abuse of power that can occur from the legislative process. Surely denying the Heir Apparent the Crown so as to gain favour with his younger brother should not be tolerated? If the Courts overturn a legislative veto, then I would expect a reason to be given, and for it to be sound. I just want the legislative branch to perform in the same manner, providing a legitimate reason as to why the King-to-be should be denied the Crown. I am not trying to shift the process to the Courts, but rather to prevent any abuse of the system occurring from within the legislative branch. Approving or denying the Heir Apparent in his role of King should not be a tool to garner political favour.

~ Sébastien Delcroix, Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels

((Sorry if my response/s are rather sporadic. My internet connection is playing up for some reason.))

 

[viola]

Free Press!?

The madness of this illegitimate government must come to an end!

- Baron Frederick Van Den Brucke

 

[SirkTheMonkey]

Your Grace, what if the court's reason for overturning a veto is not sound? What if they seek to curry favour with the first-in-line when he is clearly unsuitable? Under the proposed amendment an unsound reason from the legislature would be passed to the courts, but where would an unsound reason from the judiciary go? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, Your Grace?

- Leopold Percival Willems

 

[Gen. Marshall]

Free Press!?

The madness of this illegitimate government must come to an end!

- Baron Frederick Van Den Brucke

Baron, while your objection to Free Press is noted, would you care to explain to me how and in what way my government is illegitimate?

- Prime Minister Maximiliaan van Brabant

 

[Tapscott]

Your Grace, what if the court's reason for overturning a veto is not sound? What if they seek to curry favour with the first-in-line when he is clearly unsuitable? Under the proposed amendment an unsound reason from the legislature would be passed to the courts, but where would an unsound reason from the judiciary go? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, Your Grace?

- Leopold Percival Willems

Quite simply, if that happened, I would expect the men to be thrown out of their jobs or for much anger to be vented against clear corruption. They are chosen to be impartial and law-abiding, something politicians rarely are, at least in regards to the former. I certainly hope the breaching the latter does not ever become a common practice. In any case, as I said, this alteration seeks to deal with any possible abuse of the power of the legislative branch. Surely you can recognize that is much easier for power to be abused by those of the legislative than those of the judiciary?

~ Sébastien Delcroix, Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels

 

[SirkTheMonkey]

Quite simply, if that happened, I would expect the men to be thrown out of their jobs or for much anger to be vented against clear corruption. They are chosen to be impartial and law-abiding, something politicians rarely are, at least in regards to the former. I certainly hope the breaching the latter does not ever become a common practice. In any case, as I said, this alteration seeks to deal with any possible abuse of the power of the legislative branch. Surely you can recognize that is much easier for power to be abused by those of the legislative than those of the judiciary?

~ Sébastien Delcroix, Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels

Your Grace, I would prefer a strong legislature with a chance of problems than a weakened legislature that's kept on a leach by the courts. Any problem serious enough to warrant attention should be dealt with by the executive or, heaven forbid, a popular uprising. The consent of the people should not be left hostage to a number of appointed men.

- Leopold Percival Willems

 

[viola]

Baron, while your objection to Free Press is noted, would you care to explain to me how and in what way my government is illegitimate?

- Prime Minister Maximiliaan van Brabant

A government elected by illiterate peasants has no authority to rule the land, the reason and logic of the upper classes were nullified by the sheer mass of the uneducated farmers who voted for whoever screamed louder. With such absurd voting laws under this joke of a constitution no government can be legitimate!
And I don't even have to denounce the violence and the forgeries that the Jacobins performed outside of the main cities, but anyone from the countryside already knows what I mean!

But this doesn't matter, soon the country will see the true face of this Jacobin regime!

- Baron Frederick Van Den Brucke

 

[Tapscott]

Your Grace, I would prefer a strong legislature with a chance of problems than a weakened legislature that's kept on a leach by the courts. Any problem serious enough to warrant attention should be dealt with by the executive or, heaven forbid, a popular uprising. The consent of the people should not be left hostage to a number of appointed men.

- Leopold Percival Willems

Well, with the process being to choose the King, the executive does not really exist at that point. Or if you mean the Prime Minister, it would be who would be expected to block the appointment, due to his holding of the majority of the seats in these chambers. In any case, there is no consent of the people in that matter, merely the approval of the delegates. And while I am aware that the delegates are representatives of the people, I sincerely doubt that they will bother to go to their electorate, hear who they would prefer to have as King, then go back to parliament, ignore the opinions of everyone else around them, and push for whomever their electorate feels best represents their interests. And in the event that the delegate claims to know what is best for their electorate, I am certain that they will be influenced much more strongly by party lines and political deals than honest belief. It seems we will have to disagree here, for I feel that this loophole cannot be left for exploitation, and must be closed as soon as possible. Blocking the King from ascending to the throne, for having long hair, is just ridiculous, and should not be a reason to alter whom will be Head of State.

~ Sébastien Delcroix, Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels

 

[SirkTheMonkey]

Well, with the process being to choose the King, the executive does not really exist at that point. Or if you mean the Prime Minister, it would be who would be expected to block the appointment, due to his holding of the majority of the seats in these chambers. In any case, there is no consent of the people in that matter, merely the approval of the delegates. And while I am aware that the delegates are representatives of the people, I sincerely doubt that they will bother to go to their electorate, hear who they would prefer to have as King, then go back to parliament, ignore the opinions of everyone else around them, and push for whomever their electorate feels best represents their interests. And in the event that the delegate claims to know what is best for their electorate, I am certain that they will be influenced much more strongly by party lines and political deals than honest belief. It seems we will have to disagree here, for I feel that this loophole cannot be left for exploitation, and must be closed as soon as possible. Blocking the King from ascending to the throne, for having long hair, is just ridiculous, and should not be a reason to alter whom will be Head of State.

~ Sébastien Delcroix, Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels

Your Grace, if you do not expect the Parliament to truly represent the will of the People then why does your Amendment still say that legislative support would be a sign of the People's support? As for the matter of who the executive is in regards to my previous statement, I expect in the absence of a King that a Regent would hold that power.

- Leopold Percival Willems

 

[Tapscott]

Your Grace, if you do not expect the Parliament to truly represent the will of the People then why does your Amendment still say that legislative support would be a sign of the People's support? As for the matter of who the executive is in regards to my previous statement, I expect in the absence of a King that a Regent would hold that power.

- Leopold Percival Willems

That is not the part I am changing, but rather it is to show that the points below it are to be added onto it. In any case, if I removed that, then why would the King need to be ratified in the first place? I am calling for the alteration of that section, not the removal. Regardless, I can understand your reasons for opposing my amendment, though I do not agree with them, and respect you for not demeaning our debate by letting it descend into a meaningless 'I am right, you are wrong' situation. Nevertheless, I remain hopeful that your fellow party members will agree with me here, rather than with you! I know Monsieur Daret understood and agreed with my proposal previously, and hope that sentiment remains true.

~ Sébastien Delcroix, Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels

 

[SirkTheMonkey]

I agree Your Grace, our discussion has been one of civility that I hope will be an example for future representatives. I too see your arguments and I feel that in other circumstances they would be enough to change the views I hold. I must correct you on an unrelated point though, I have no fellow party members for I do not follow any party's banner. I was raised on stories of brave and principled parliamentarians who marched to the beat of their own drum and could turn the Parliament's opinion with a well-crafted argument. It seems to me though that such men will become fewer and their potential will decrease as parties becomes the dominant political force.

- Leopold Percival Willems, Independent

 

[Tapscott]

I agree Your Grace, our discussion has been one of civility that I hope will be an example for future representatives. I too see your arguments and I feel that in other circumstances they would be enough to change the views I hold. I must correct you on an unrelated point though, I have no fellow party members for I do not follow any party's banner. I was raised on stories of brave and principled parliamentarians who marched to the beat of their own drum and could turn the Parliament's opinion with a well-crafted argument. It seems to me though that such men will become fewer and their potential will decrease as parties becomes the dominant political force.

- Leopold Percival Willems, Independent

Ah, my mistake. I had assumed you were a member of the GLP. My apologies. As for the stories you were raised, while inspirational, I feel you are right. Parties seem to have removed the importance attached to lone individuals, though I remain hopeful that said independents will be charismatic enough to move politics without the need to be tied to party lines. They may become fewer in number, and lesser in importance, by I pray that men who feel strongly enough to act independently in such a manner work with the same diligence that their forbearers did.

~ Sébastien Delcroix, Archbishop of Mechelen-Brussels

((Well it's official. After bothering to actually sit down and crunch some numbers, there are not enough non-military personnel in the CCP-BCU coalition to make a shadow cabinet! A tad embarrassing, but I find it rather amusing truth be told Regardless, since a comprehensive ministry cannot be formed, and I am loathe to fill positions with NPC's [just feels weird], there shall be no shadow cabinet!))