Easy fix for "elective_monarchy" and balance in Eastern Europe

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CzokletMuss

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Right now elective_monarchy gives the following bonuses:
Code:
elective_monarchy = {
   monarchy = yes
   is_elective = yes
   
   rank = {
     1 = {
       vassal_income = 0.25
       global_unrest = -1
     }
     2 = {
       vassal_income = 0.25
       global_unrest = -1
       global_autonomy = -0.05     
     }
     3 = {   
       vassal_income = 0.25
       global_unrest = -1
       global_autonomy = -0.10   
     }
   }
}
This is however completely ahistorical and leads to weird results in Eastern Europe (weak and collapsing Muscowy/Russia, PLC expanding to the steppes etc.). Historically Poland/PLC had very strong nobility which again and again forced monarchs to give them concessions and privileges. Reduction of local autonomy usually means a strong central government which never happened in PLC. Quite the contrary, local autonomy - or rather what it tries to simulate - was very high in PLC during 1492-1795 period.

Thus I propose to give the elective monarchy "LA floor" like in the steppe_hordes like this:

Code:
elective_monarchy = {

   min_autonomy = 25
   monarchy = yes
   is_elective = yes
   
   rank = {
     1 = {
       vassal_income = 0.25
       global_unrest = -1
     }
     2 = {
       vassal_income = 0.25
       global_unrest = -1
       global_autonomy = -0.05     
     }
     3 = {   
       vassal_income = 0.25
       global_unrest = -1
       global_autonomy = -0.10   
     }
   }
}
Alternatively LA reduction should be deleted entirely. Personally I would give PLC local autonomy malus (+0.05 monthly) as well as force limit malus (for example -33% force limit like MNG has) to better reflect the internal instability and weak power of the monarch but I guess it could be too much for AI to handle.
 
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Many governments need an LA floor.
 

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Wouldn't it be better to have the LA floor be dependent on Rank? Also This in the general sense. 0/5/10 would be an ok baseline (for most government types) I think?

I heard that Poland also has a problem with having low legitimacy. Maybe give +0.5 yearly legitimacy to balance the LA floor a little?
 

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Good ideas though they wouldn't fix the OP Poland/PLC problem we currently have. Ideally the Sejm and nobility privileges should get an overhaul and each of them - for instance, Nieszawa Privilege - should give permanent +5% LA floor for the whole country (as long as the government is elective_monarchy). This way the slow decay of central power in Poland would be simulated quite well. Alas, it's probably too much to ask for.
 
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Good ideas though they wouldn't fix the OP Poland/PLC problem we currently have. Ideally the Sejm and nobility privileges should get an overhaul and each of them - for instance, Nieszawa Privilege - should give permanent +5% LA floor for the whole country (as long as the government is elective_monarchy). This way the slow decay of central power in Poland would be simulated quite well. Alas, it's probably too much to ask for.

I'm not certain it's doable, but Poland's NI's are also a really large factor to it's OPness.
 

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I'm not certain it's doable, but Poland's NI's are also a really large factor to it's OPness.
IMHO they should be reworked completely. As a Pole with history as a hobby I really can't understand why PDS gave Poland these particular NIs. Five out of seven is dedicated solely to the military while IRL Piechota Wybraniecka, Foreign Section and Wojsko Komputowe were of much lesser significance in comparison to pospolite ruszenie of Polish nobility, not to mention completely baseless "Focus on Field Defense" with huge +15% morale boost. When I have some free time I should make a separete thread in this subforum dedicated to Polish NIs.