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And yes, If Adam had spent less on IC and more on army he probably would not have lost that puppet either. But then he would not have the IC. He made a choice.

well tbh I had what should be considered an adequate defense for the time period he just had a lot bigger army than expected, I thought those divs would hold at hohot long enough for the peace event to fire from taking those 3 provs in the north. he surrounded it faster than expected and subsequentually won. don't remember how many divs he used but there was 10 jap garrisons 7 mengukuo divs and 18 1918 inf and milita from yunan
I should have spread out and that would have prevented losing the yunnan divisions, but honestly it was more important to me to keep mengukuo from being annexed than keeping the divs for the sole fact they research land docs ;p. if I could do it over again I would have put more japanese divisions in the south and tried to form a stalemate around all my puppet vps.

After the Chinese insult at marco polo on july 2 the japanese declared war upon the chinese. A short 6 months later on feb 12 japan succeeded in taking the capital cities of china with all major industry and a relative surrender was accepted on terms of shanghai and guangzhou become japan national provinces.

Very soon after a war kicked off between the allied bolshevik menace of SU and Com China vs China. Japan sat rather unpatiently waiting for china to ask for help but the offer did not come. After Comintern took their provs from china, japan declared war on the soviet union to avenege these defeats in their now friendly neighbor of china. Victory was won in the north but japanese puppet state mengukuko was lost to the mongolian empire. Ribbentrop was sent to broker peace. Japan now sits very industrialized after the bitter early years and is now very prosperous with over double the IC as the United States. Peaceful Japan can only wonder though how long the resources will be flowing in from USA since they seem to be leaning towards the belligerant soviet union and its policies.
 
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Good one.

Just in case anyone is wondering 8.5 of the rules set provided with the DL should read: Japan may not DOW UK until after the Vichy event fires or USA 3 months after Vichy and human player is controlling USA.
 
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I think we discussed this already but I want to go over it again. USA cannot join the war until Jan 1, 1942 correct? Unless I decide to make some DoWs that are not part of the allies, like say neutral tibet and my bel allows USA to DoW me seperate from allies?
 

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We did:
USA RULES

10.1 : USA cannot be played by a human until the Vichy event.
10.2 : USA may only join the Allies if it could naturally declare war on both Germany and Italy (assuming Italy is in Axis)
10.3 : USA may DOW Japan independently of the Allies if it has sliders to do so. (Hence, USA could be at war with Japan but not Germany).

I have made every effort to do two things, ensure that Japan starts the WW2 period with 0 to 10 Belligerence, and that its USA isolationism sliders are high. Basicly the intent is that USA should be able to DOW Japan independently if Japan attacks UK, and possibly if it attacks Netherlands since USA gets a slider shift for that action specifically. But I took out the slider shift for Nanjing Masscre, for example.

The way it is set up now, it might even be unable to DOW Japan, even if Japan DOW's UK.

The reason I want to allow it to DOW independently, and not be in Allies, is so that it is unable to benefit from Allied technical support (BP's) until such a time as it is at war with Italy and Germany and properly in the alliance, so to speak. But I don't want its inability to be in Allies, to prevent it from undertaking a war against a belligerent Japan.

Even if it does have the sliders to do so one should keep in mind that in 1940/41, it has little offensive capability, since it will be AI up until Vichy.

As I stated earlier in this thread:

General note: I am trying to set up so that USA DOW is determined by slider moves and the relative belligerence of the Axis, and Japanese, dependent on game events and the progress of the war. It may require a little adjustement here or there, so USA in particular should ask if it can join Allies, or DOW Japan before it does so, if it has the sliders to do so.

More to the point I am trying to integrate the Aussie system into the game through using the slider/belligerence index, but likewise preserve the suprise factor, as there is no set date specifically.
 
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Its even possible, I think that if Japan did absolutely nothing, that USA would not be able to DOW Japan long after 1942, since Japan would likely have no belligerence.

OTH, I have made no specific rule against USA granting military access to Allies, as there is with USSR. That is intentional. Take note of this. Should this be, USA may grant Military Access to Allies, if at war with the same enemy?
 
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few things

so if germans have 65 bel in 1940 USA can join allies? or 65 bel in jan 1941?
does USA have to DoW Germany and then join allies since it is bel based, or can they just take the interven dissent for joining an alliance at war? Can I get military access to germany and navally invade netherlands and annex them rather than DoWing and having an eternal war?
 

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No. USA has to be able to DOW both Italy and Germany if it wants to be in Allies.

As for Netherlands, I don't really see any point to that, since all you have to do is get Germany to agree to invade Netherlands, and then annex them yourself, since then you would get all of their raw materials, which is really what you want. Conversely, if you think it would be best for Germany to get all of that, then you should attack first, and then Germany can DOW and annex, and get all the stuff.
 

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Thats an interesting point... get mil acess off of Germany and completely annex the Dutch... then set up for a "super" sealion (planning with Germany behind the sceans of course) and join the axis/DoW UK with a direct and imediate invasion of scottland or something lol.

(this gets even better if axis captured azores or iceland, and Japan forgets the small fry that is UK and enters ww2 with the combined IJN and 30 transports full of infantry off the coast of maryland)

Would be a hell of a lot more worthwhile then bombing pearl harbor and singapore.....

I think you need to create a blanket rule that just states "no mil acess unless in the same alliance"...
 

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You think MG sucks that badly?

In anycase, the thing is that I can see USA/UK allowing military access for their naval and air assets in the Pacific, when at war with the same enemy, and for the same purpose... the idea that the Germans would allow the Japanese into Europe goes totally against all logic. This logic is expressed precisely in the Tripartite pact.

Anyway, I am trying to get discussion of this sort to happen on the this thread, so as not to clutter the game thread:

East is Red Multiplayer Version 1.06

This seems to be a good place to start, seeing as there are some productive ideas coming up.
 

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all i can say is that 30 jap div in usa would be squashed quickly......even if you attack on the first day i take over usa......ive been sealioned once....just once.....and have been invaded in usa....once....just once.......i promise it would be no easy task!........oh and one more thing.....BALDERDASH!!!! :eek:
 

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lol attacking USA mainland before USA lands in germany is probably the stupidiest thing a japanese player could do, unless germany was losing badly to soviets and an allied invasion was imminent. I've got other things in mind to give you a headache geo :p, and we'll see where we're at with the German and SU war. But anyways that's my focus as japan, make USA fear a land invasion so they don't just build to attack Germany. I think this will be a very good game if Germans or Soviets don't just fold over quickly when their war starts. Allies will need much focus on a japan that will have 300 or more useable IC when they take netherlands, aussies, and india. India is a lot more of a challenge in this game though, but thanks to nico I no longer have much worry in that area, as even if I am losing I can play defense until a strong ass china joins me :eek:. IJN will be the most elite navy in the world for a very long time since USA is AI. AI USA builds too much surface ships and not enough carriers.
 

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Nicophorus said:
Well ive seen USA invaded and thrown out of the war before barbarossa before. It does happen.
and they probably had china? ;)
 

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Geofactor said:
did you know that the USA had more than 120 CV's when the war ended?
did you know if you do anything remotely like that in this game then germany and italy will have an almost completely unrestricted warfare with soviets, unless UK can manage a landing and invasion by theirself as well as hold india.
muhaha :cool:
 

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Great! :D
 

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Geo, and General Italia...

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