Earn the Dragon Throne in Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven

[Fryz]

Her headdress still more or less look like a Qitou (旗头) to me, but seemingly the artist used a little bit too much force on the creative side (or, altered a bit too much), so it starts to look also like a Fengguan (凤冠) in someway

It's perhaps just the Qitou being too low than it is supposed to be

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And a Qitou can be high or low actually, the style used in the promo pic isn't really that far from "accuracy", and that's definitely not Ming style as far as I can tell

Just did a little bit more quick research, can't 100% guarantee the correctness but perhaps still solid enough
So, Qitou hair style is the typical hair style of Qing era aristocrat females, and during the early Qing period (when Xiaozhuang was alive), the most common seen style variants are:
Xiaoliangba (小两把, "double tiny handles")

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Lower Xiaoliangba

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Liangba (两把，double handles)

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And the artist might be referring to this:

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[FleetingRain]

Shinto is getting reworked, there just hasn't been a DD on it yet.
And Catholic isn't that bad. In fact, it is one of the better SP religions

Might be there's more than meets the eye there

I meant the base modifiers. Catholic has a bonus and a malus (-1 Heretic Tolerance), while Shinto only has one but it's double the usual value.

Whatever are those other modifiers Shinto may get seem interesting, I'll admit.

 

[CassCD]

I just know that I'm going to have go through a massive amount of re-training before I start using the macro-builder for diplomacy reliably and effectively. I don't even use the macro-builder for half of the options available in there, the old ways are too habitual.

 

[durbal]

Wait, will the diplomacy macrobuilder show all the countries that are in war? If thats the case... its fantastic. Especially if you are playing as the HREmperor and seek for internal peace.

This already exists in the ledger. Just look up 'Current Wars'.

 

[Gamengervi]

And the artist might be referring to this:

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I just don't see it. It seems to me that the artist might of been mixing and matching styles from different sources.

 

[Pyramid_Head]

Grand strategic sexual themes

 

[Koramei]

I just don't see it. It seems to me that the artist might of been mixing and matching styles from different sources.

It's probably this. I'm not Chinese but to me she still looks very Manchu, the color scheme and pattern look way more Qing than Ming.

Really happy to see another female loading screen though, wasn't expecting that.

 

[Fryz]

I just don't see it. It seems to me that the artist might of been mixing and matching styles from different sources.

The most prominent characteristic, also what made me believe that the artist is still on the right side, is the "rise up a bit then spread toward two directions" style of the hairdo (which is the "double handle" style's feature).
The part which perhaps gives you a Ming feeling, is the decoration on her forehead, which is called a "e'pa" (额帕, "forehead tissue"), that's a very common Han woman headdress. But that's also used among Qing upper class ladies as a sort of "exotic fashion".

Here's a photo, sorry for her sorry looking, but let's focus on the hairdo :

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you can see the "spread to two directions" there

 

[Sunspawn]

You are making it sound like a five-or so sentence summary is a big deal

I'll be blunt - we don't want to write summaries for you. Stop being lazy.

On topic, new expansion sounds like all sorts of awesome, esp considering that I was interested in coming back to EU4 but didn't want to play in Europe.

 

[Red_warning]

I'll be blunt - we don't want to write summaries for you. Stop being lazy.

On topic, new expansion sounds like all sorts of awesome, esp considering that I was interested in coming back to EU4 but didn't want to play in Europe.

The amazing things with requests is that you can ignore them if you can't be bothered.

I don't get why it's somehow offensive that I asked, quite politely I think, if somebody with the time could have written a short summary

 

[Gamengervi]

The most prominent characteristic, also what made me believe that the artist is still on the right side, is the "rise up a bit then spread toward two directions" style of the hairdo (which is the "double handle" style's feature).
The part which gives you a Ming feeling, is the decoration on her forehead, which is called a "e'pa" (额帕, "forehead tissue"), that's a very common Han woman headdress. But that's also used among Qing upper class ladies as a sort of "exotic fashion".

Here's a photo, sorry for her sorry looking, but let's focus on the hairdo :

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you can see the "spread to two directions" there

Mmhm. I see what you're getting at, but I really don't think the Empress in the promo art has that hairdo. The parts of the image circled below look more like parts of the headdress, rather than an extension of her hair. Her hair seems more 'round' to me.

 

[CassCD]

The amazing things with requests is that you can ignore them if you can't be bothered.

I don't get why it's somehow offensive that I asked, quite politely I think, if somebody with the time could have written a short summary

Maybe you should spend more of your time reading the DDs instead of taking the time to complain about how people aren't spoon-feeding the information to you.

 

[Koramei]

Mmhm. I see what you're getting at, but I really don't think the Empress in the promo art has that hairdo. The parts of the image circled below look more like parts of the headdress, rather than an extension of her hair. Her hair seems more 'round' to me.

That Manchurian hairstyle wasn't always just hair being styled in that shape; often hair was shaped around a wooden frame, or sometimes there was just a wooden frame in the shape of the hairstyle by its self, meant to mimic it. I'm not sure I've ever seen one like the drawing (although it could exist for all I know)- from my understanding they would normally be brown, and without the engraving.

Even if it doesn't exist exactly like that though, she still screams Qing noblewoman to me. If you look at some of the other loading screens for e.g. the Native Americans, it's not like they're all 100% accurate either. I like this one a lot.

 

[Fryz]

hmmm, then I guess we can both agree that at least the overall shape isn't wrong?
Artist put quite many jewels there so it's indeed hard to tell whether the circled out parts are hair or just jewels, but from her dress, we can safely assume that she's a Qing noble woman of high rank (because of the Chaozhu - 朝珠 on her neck), so I guess let's just see the circled out parts as REALLY heavily jewel covered hair

 

[Brodacious]

You guys did the China expansion for the wrong game!




I'm kidding

 

[Red_warning]

Maybe you should spend more of your time reading the DDs instead of taking the time to complain about how people aren't spoon-feeding the information to you.

Don't worry, I have now read the DDs, and I still think the reactions of some people are quite baffling with their hostility. I also can't help to notice that the people who previously responded to me are all on "probation".

 

[Dakka]

Why? All I'm interested in is a summary.

Here is a summary:

Mandate of Heaven’s features include:

• Ages and Golden Eras: Earn perks in four historical ages for meeting specific goals, building up to declaring your nation’s single Golden Era - 50 years of prosperity and power.
• Meritocracy: The Chinese emperor can hire good advisors more cheaply, keeping the empire functional no matter who rules.
• Tributaries: Some Asian nations can demand that weaker powers pay an annual tribute, whether in gold, manpower or monarch points.
• Manchu Banners: Manchu provinces can provide cheap and effective Banner armies drawn from the traditional tribe system.
• Japanese Shogunate: Compel the loyalty of your daimyos with new interactions that require them to submit to your authority, contribute to your power or even commit seppuku
• Diplomatic Macrobuilder: Common diplomatic actions are now easily available from the macrobuilder interface.
• New Events and Decisions: Most of these new systems are connected to new event series or decisions, bringing you even deeper into the past

 

[Atlantians]

I've poked the people handling the steam page about it.

With what?

 

[KAMCITY13]

Really hope they have new unit models for Ming and finally a 4th unit model. The 3rd unit model one looks too Manchu in my opinion:

Should look more like this: the one in the purple dragon robe

Example of Korean Armor and clothing:

Example of Qirat horde clothing:

Its about time the the other East Asian factions get their own unit models and hopefully ship models too.

 

[SolSys]

Did we really have to keep the expansions name secret for so long?

I wanted it to be "Celestial Expansion"