Yuriberi: Is any theory about greater Slovakia? I mean, Slovakians often says to Hungarians that "madari za dunaj" (Hungarians behind of Danube, as I know)... is it have any historical meaning, or it's just for "get the hell out of Slovakia"? 
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I think is the second :rofl:
@yuriberi
the romanian national anthem is also about weaking up and I think we are muuuch more asleep that you guys are :rofl: (last week the parlament decided NOT to give the names of priests that worked for the communist secret sevices, also allowed hunting in natural reservations :rofl: )
and I have answered to your question 2 times
@yuriberi
the romanian national anthem is also about weaking up and I think we are muuuch more asleep that you guys are :rofl: (last week the parlament decided NOT to give the names of priests that worked for the communist secret sevices, also allowed hunting in natural reservations :rofl: )
and I have answered to your question 2 times
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Greater Slovakia..
Daemoncool: Well hehe You cant compare all the Slovaks to one special uber slovak residing in Zilina. Those who use their own minds just now that he plays the "hungarian card" and both the MK (magyar koalicio) and the SNS are prospering from it. A politician who sold out his own country and voted for the Lisbon treaty and the EURO money cant be really a Slovak.. or a Hungarian or of any other nationality.. they are just moral prostitutes. Otherwise yes.. I guess they only want all the Magyars to go behind the Danube.. "out of Slovakia" because they view them as threat to the republic and its borders. It went that far that even when you are a Slovak(if not ethnically than atleast culturally) from the south you are a magyar too and you should go with all the magyars.. XD You know what ruined the diplomatic ties between our countries? It all begun in 1848. And then the magyarization of Slovak population. By this Slovaks lost their desire to be in one state with Magyars... forever.
To the point:
But actually there was a plan for a Greater Slovakia.. as Slovaks wanted to claim Moravia.. and also Ruthenia and reestablish the ancient Great Moravia.. commie historicians doubted it.. but there is a book or two about it. And it was based on truth. So there were plans for a Greater Slovakia.. but without any claims on Hungary. Moravians always felt more aligned to Slovaks then Czechs for some reasons.. and life under the rule of Slovakia would feel much better for a Moravian than life under the Reich and its protectorate.. so it also has a logical explanation. And even Bata.. the financial beast and industrialist wanted Moravia to be rather under the rule of Slovakia than the Protectorate. This is a large gap yet to be uncovered in the history of the Czech and Slovakia. I will try to propose how the G-S would be like.
About your proposal: don't forget that the core provinces of Slovakia.. had 2 million Slovaks.. and that Slovakia was "under direct protection" from Germany. So Hungarians would have a damn hell of a job reestablishing the Great Hungary including Slovakia.
Daemoncool: Well hehe
You cant compare all the Slovaks to one special uber slovak residing in Zilina. Those who use their own minds just now that he plays the "hungarian card" and both the MK (magyar koalicio) and the SNS are prospering from it. A politician who sold out his own country and voted for the Lisbon treaty and the EURO money cant be really a Slovak.. or a Hungarian or of any other nationality.. they are just moral prostitutes. Otherwise yes.. I guess they only want all the Magyars to go behind the Danube.. "out of Slovakia" because they view them as threat to the republic and its borders. It went that far that even when you are a Slovak(if not ethnically than atleast culturally) from the south you are a magyar too and you should go with all the magyars.. XD You know what ruined the diplomatic ties between our countries? It all begun in 1848. And then the magyarization of Slovak population. By this Slovaks lost their desire to be in one state with Magyars... forever. To the point:
But actually there was a plan for a Greater Slovakia..
as Slovaks wanted to claim Moravia.. and also Ruthenia and reestablish the ancient Great Moravia.. commie historicians doubted it.. but there is a book or two about it. And it was based on truth. So there were plans for a Greater Slovakia.. but without any claims on Hungary. Moravians always felt more aligned to Slovaks then Czechs for some reasons.. and life under the rule of Slovakia would feel much better for a Moravian than life under the Reich and its protectorate.. so it also has a logical explanation. And even Bata.. the financial beast and industrialist wanted Moravia to be rather under the rule of Slovakia than the Protectorate. This is a large gap yet to be uncovered in the history of the Czech and Slovakia. I will try to propose how the G-S would be like.About your proposal: don't forget that the core provinces of Slovakia.. had 2 million Slovaks.. and that Slovakia was "under direct protection" from Germany. So Hungarians would have a damn hell of a job reestablishing the Great Hungary including Slovakia.
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ROMANU,here are the territories that would be in Greater Croatia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...r_Croatia_01.png/300px-Greater_Croatia_01.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...r_Croatia_01.png/300px-Greater_Croatia_01.png
Daemoncool said:I made a correction about Hungarian claims:
Dark green: core
Medium green: Provinces which has a major Hungarian population (basicly it means, if the player control those provinces it will have 0% revoltrisk)
Light green: Hungarian kingdom restored (if it's possible to have claims on that lands with revoltrisk, it would be great. So if Hungary controls full Slovakia, the Slovakian majority places would have revolt.)
Very light green: Union with Croatia-Slavonia (not really necesary to put this claims on, coz despite Hungarians like to show great hungarian maps on they cars (with Croatia-Slavonia included) no one really want to put back Croatia-Slavonia to Hungary, as we consider Croatians to our friends, and in Croatia there's since no Hungarians... in 1910 there were 121000 Hungarians lived in Croatia-Slavonia)
ROMANU said:daemoncool
about Hun
Cluj and Bistrita do NOT have hungarian majority
in fact north transilvania, in whole had more romanians than hungarians (in 1940, dunno how it was in 44) only miercurea ciu and oradea have a Hun majority
also it would have been better not to put the left bank of tisa in the first tipe of cores group for the reason I have previously exposed (to be able to release Hun as another state if Rom wins the august 1940 war
@ crusher, the 3dr tipe of cores should inclode Pocutia too (Stanislowow)
and transnistrian cores should be gained as a whole in 41 (before 40 we didn't want to piss off USSR)
I don't know why Plodiv and Burgas are not in the required provinces, this is not the 1877 scenario
Greece shouldn't have the ionian islands as cores (they will be in in Italian hads in New world order scenario
I also don't know why you had to make other maps instead of suggesting changes
Pocutia should not be a core. It was never mentioned in any serious way in modern times as Romanian territory. It may be possible to occupy it to save those Poles/Ukrainians from GER/SOV aggression, but not as a core, as cores delete revolt risk up to a certain percentage.
And countries should be releasable as rump states. On my maps, I have shown the necessary cores for releasing a country, and the actual cores (territory) at the start of the scenario. BUL should have the north in case of an aggressive Greece/Turkey scenario. HUN should be releasable without the Tisa region in case of an aggressive Romania scenario. Greece the south in many cases. Albania the 2 provs in case of Yugo and Greek claims being fulfilled, Romania only Wallachia (minus Dobrogea) and Moldova (minus Bukovina) in case of a return to pre-WWI world, etc.
For the ultranationalist cores,I suggest the country gets them as a core if it doesn't control them so it can demand them,but as soon as they get control of it,an event removes the cores from them if the population doesn't accept them.
that would be an idea Great Duck... OR when a nationalist nation anexes 3rd tipe core provinces an event apears that increases the revoltrisk and decreases IC in that province so that the Ai won't give it back to another if they are in the same alliance so we can decide via events how rightfull a contrie's claim is...
in any case maiking investments in it will give you 100% of the IC (sounds reasonable)
@yuriberi
they're called africans or african-americans or "of arfican descent" or rroma people :rofl: , and YES you're right, my sollution to the problem is:
that's why I play games and my favourite place on earth is Prypyat
I don't know exactly about croatia please take this map and edit it as you see fit... Also the map ob Bosnia was not made by ethinc representation but by administration, from what I remenber, so it will be very hard to represent the areas were croatians live,
so that the Ai won't give it back to another if they are in the same alliance so we can decide via events how rightfull a contrie's claim is...in any case maiking investments in it will give you 100% of the IC (sounds reasonable)
@yuriberi
they're called africans or african-americans or "of arfican descent" or rroma people :rofl: , and YES you're right, my sollution to the problem is:
that's why I play games and my favourite place on earth is Prypyat
I don't know exactly about croatia please take this map and edit it as you see fit... Also the map ob Bosnia was not made by ethinc representation but by administration, from what I remenber, so it will be very hard to represent the areas were croatians live,
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this is democracy, have a political opinion! but let it be like ours or else you're banned!
on topic:
if we are talking about the balcan nations and the good relations between them
will Székely be in?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Székely
I would see it emerge in a 2nd Vienna dictate but with milder terms for Romania :Oradea to Hun and Székely as a puppet enclave of Hun or maybe Rom. It would have all the cores in Miercurea ciuc
Hun would still have claims on Transilvania to represent the failure to resolv the situation
on topic:
if we are talking about the balcan nations and the good relations between them
will Székely be in?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Székely
I would see it emerge in a 2nd Vienna dictate but with milder terms for Romania :Oradea to Hun and Székely as a puppet enclave of Hun or maybe Rom. It would have all the cores in Miercurea ciuc
Hun would still have claims on Transilvania to represent the failure to resolv the situation
ROMANU said:- dobrodgea is a claim of bulgaria, in 2000 the population is in majority romanian because in 1877, when Rom recived it began a strong colonisation policy, in 36 (I am not shure) but romanians were still in minority, and if not, concentred in Constanta and Tulcea leaving the rest to turks tatars, bulgarians and russians/ucrainians (it will gain claims there, for examne, in an alliance against Romania in august 1940)
-edit- from my opinion Constanta is not one of the national provinces of romania. in 1877 Russia forced the exchange of south Bessarabia(Ismail, in game) with Dobrodgea to Rom. Economically it was a great exchange, but not ideological... in over 80 years of colonisation and romanisation the province is mostly pacified
If you're talking about Constanta province in the Hoi 2 vanilla, (Quadrilater),I agree, but if you're talking about real Constanta with the port through which the oil and agricultural products were exported, the city, the railway to Bucharest, the Cernavoda Bridge, please remember that not even in 1916-18 when german-bulgarian armies occupied it, and after the Bucharest Treaty, the region (Tulcea province in Hoi vanilla) was never ceded to Bulgaria but was under joint central powers (that is german) control . Tulcea HOI province, Constanta in real life, which should have the IC's and the naval and air bases is simply to important for everybody (except may be for Bulgaria who already has Varna) than anybody accepts to cede it: germans wanted to keep it under control in order to ensure commercial interests in after war oil exports , turkish didn't wanted the bulgarians to have it, romanians etc... I say, in all cases that Constanta and the area is of national interest for Romania, even if the population was mixed (with turkish minority preferring Romania to Bulgaria). Even the official romanian "justification" to take in 1913 the Quadrilater (HOI vanilla province of Constanta) from Bulgaria was the need to protect Constanta and the railway area.
TBH, I'm not sure i follow your assertion about 80 years of colonization and romanization (from 1877 till when?) or the ideological insignificance of Constanta? The realpolitik didn't allowed in the 1940 or later the famous "De la Nistru pan'la Tisa", but the realpolitik asked for Romania to keep the ways of its exports open.
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There you go.. now it looks better..
My proposal. Dark purple.. CORE.. although Komarno and Kosice should also be considered CORES.. I didn't include them cause the population was heavily mixed.. it never was and never will be or pure Slovak or pure Hungarian. Both countries have righteous claims on this territory. So Komarno and Kosice are not cores but if included there will be no revolt risk. Further the lightest tone of purple: Moravia and Ruthenia.. Moravia an ideological, ethnic/cultural (Slavic population.close ties between Slovaks and Moravs) and also historical (Great Moravia).. claim, so it should remain a claim with no revolt risk. Ruthenia: There was no exact border between Slovakia and Ruthenia.. until Stalin took his pencil and made one. Again: close Slavic ties and cultural heritage play a major role here.. although both nations are religiously different. And there SHOULD BE a revolt risk.. no matter which nation will claim this province. Mainly because there was a strong pro-Ukrainian movement. And uncle Joe would and did after the war something about it.
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Czecho - Slovakia was even uglier. But hmm its not that bad if ye cut off Uzghorod. :rofl:
Thank you all for your propositions. I will consider them when the new map is ready. For now we can do other things:
- I will implement some new features, and arrange elements;
- Crush3r could finish his Romanian event chain;
- yuriberi his Slovakian event chain;
- Daemoncool his graphics;
- mumia to report progress on map recreation.
Well, that is all for now.
By the way yuriberi, I have two questions:
- as you say that Užhorod is pro-Ukrainian oriented, should that province be only controlled province of CZE but not national (to have revolt risk)?
I have recreated flag of Slovakia, as I could not find vanilla in any historical source, I designed another (same as nowadays, except that CoA is in the middle). Is that all right?
Yes, you have right. Our country is quite assimilated even it is not in EU. Unfortunately, Slovakia has already imprisoned herself, while Serbia still has slight chances to remain free. But that is not going to hapen, so we will need to share our sad destiny.
- I will implement some new features, and arrange elements;
- Crush3r could finish his Romanian event chain;
- yuriberi his Slovakian event chain;
- Daemoncool his graphics;
- mumia to report progress on map recreation.
Well, that is all for now.
By the way yuriberi, I have two questions:
- as you say that Užhorod is pro-Ukrainian oriented, should that province be only controlled province of CZE but not national (to have revolt risk)?
I have recreated flag of Slovakia, as I could not find vanilla in any historical source, I designed another (same as nowadays, except that CoA is in the middle). Is that all right?
yuriberi said:
Yes, you have right. Our country is quite assimilated even it is not in EU. Unfortunately, Slovakia has already imprisoned herself, while Serbia still has slight chances to remain free. But that is not going to hapen, so we will need to share our sad destiny.
Are thoss kind of *things* (to stay polite) allowed in the modifications subsection now ?yuriberi said:ROMANU: Hehe.. I wonder which other nations anthems are about waking up. Because it looks like we all need to wake up as we are nothing more than just colonies to the west. But so faar.. no luck.. and I cant see any improvement any time soon.. soo we are all going to sh**s. And don't forget OUR borders are open to the west.. so AAAALL the Slovaks can travel whenever they want in europe. In reality.. people live from wage to wage and sometimes hardly have enough money for a family trip to any larger city in SLOVAKIA. While the decadent mud from the west infiltrates our country(we don't have enough roma
But isn't it sad? Nations from Eastern Europe an Balkans are fighting between themselves.. while the real treat comes from the uber democratic west.
Uhmm.. I ignored some of your replies..?
Vladimir, as mod leader, you should moderate this thread instead of encouraging such speeches imvho.
Fernando Torres said:
Second! It will damage the mod not now but many will not participate/play in it!
Vladimir II.:
Ok I will try to finish the chain of events for Slovakia as soon as I will have enough time and mood for it.
The whole design of CZE was a bit comical because if we would have to be correct the only national part of CZE would be Bohemia and the rest just controlled provinces. There was even an open outrage of Czechs who wanted to keep the already Autonomous Slovakia a part of CZE by aggression. It was called "Homolov Puc"
Where all the major leaders of Slovak national movement were imprisoned and transported to Prague and the Hlinka Gard and I guess it was the Rodobrana dissolved. Czechs also played this "Magyar card": If there was a Slovak leader who could be a danger for the integrity of CZE.. they declared him a spy for the Magyar secret service and accused him of irredentism. There was no such nation as Czechoslovaks.. as I mentioned before.. but the agenda/propaganda said otherwise. Just to add Czechoslovakia was a country of Czechs, Slovaks, Germans(nearly the same number as Slovaks), Magyars, Ruthenians and Jews. It was a complete omelet, even the shape of the state was comical. Czechoslovakia was meant to dissolve because the only "national" languages were Czech and Slovak. Ruthenia - Uzghorod faced the same assimilation as Slovakia. So they both wanted independence. But on the other side both knew that if they would gain independence they would face Magyar aggression. So Czechoslovakia was just another "forced marriage"
of some sorts. On one side.. there was the assimilation and cultural cleansing from the Czechs and on the other side Magyar tanks. So I think no.. there is no need for this.. and if yes.. then make all the provinces instead of the Bohemia and maybe Moravia as just controlled provinces. Although Ruthenians were distinct from Ukranians.. they more inclined to Ukraine because their language, religion and also the way of life was quite the same or similar. And after the Munich.. and the Vienna arbitrage. Sudets have fallen to Germany, large parts of South Slovakia to Hungary and South part of Ruthenia to Hungary too.. so by these two events the marriage was over and so both Slovakia and Ruthenia knew they have nothing to lose. Slovaks accepted the German proposal for independent Slovakia under the German protection and well Ruthenia declared its independence on its own. And as I mentioned before.. Voloshyn's request for Romania to militarily occupy Ruthenia went unanswered so Hungarians apart from the already taken south part of Ruthenia just occupied the rest of it.. where there were NO Hungarian citizens. And their aggression continued as they without any declaration of war.. invaded the Eastern part of already independent Slovakia and bombed Spisska Nova Ves.. killing 14 civilians from which 2 were Magyars. Newly created Slovak army mobilized all it had and moved East. Also local air dogfights broke out. Before any major counter offensive could be planned from the Slovak side.. Hitler put an end to this aggression.. but Hungary got another piece of Slovak land with 80000 Slovak inhabitants. Again no Hungarians there. Sorry for the rant.. I just added some historical details.. to back my info.
Well.. if we want to be correct. The flag in the vanilla is not quite correct. Because the CoA in vanilla: the silver coat with the patriarchal cross in the middle was the military flag of SA(Slovak Army) The national flag of First Slovak Republic was our current flag without the CoA.. similar to present day Russian but not Russian as Russian blue is lighter.
Yes we did. And its horrible. But the international scene can get very dynamic.. and the world is changing from unipolar to bipolar as it was before.
So maybe something will happen.. because more and more Slovaks have enough of this.. and they realized we have been sold out. I just have this feeling that something BIG is going to happen what will change our lives forever. Lets hope it will be a change for good though.
Ok I will try to finish the chain of events for Slovakia as soon as I will have enough time and mood for it.
The whole design of CZE was a bit comical because if we would have to be correct the only national part of CZE would be Bohemia and the rest just controlled provinces. There was even an open outrage of Czechs who wanted to keep the already Autonomous Slovakia a part of CZE by aggression. It was called "Homolov Puc"
Where all the major leaders of Slovak national movement were imprisoned and transported to Prague and the Hlinka Gard and I guess it was the Rodobrana dissolved. Czechs also played this "Magyar card": If there was a Slovak leader who could be a danger for the integrity of CZE.. they declared him a spy for the Magyar secret service and accused him of irredentism. There was no such nation as Czechoslovaks.. as I mentioned before.. but the agenda/propaganda said otherwise. Just to add Czechoslovakia was a country of Czechs, Slovaks, Germans(nearly the same number as Slovaks), Magyars, Ruthenians and Jews. It was a complete omelet, even the shape of the state was comical. Czechoslovakia was meant to dissolve because the only "national" languages were Czech and Slovak. Ruthenia - Uzghorod faced the same assimilation as Slovakia. So they both wanted independence. But on the other side both knew that if they would gain independence they would face Magyar aggression. So Czechoslovakia was just another "forced marriage"
of some sorts. On one side.. there was the assimilation and cultural cleansing from the Czechs and on the other side Magyar tanks. So I think no.. there is no need for this.. and if yes.. then make all the provinces instead of the Bohemia and maybe Moravia as just controlled provinces. Although Ruthenians were distinct from Ukranians.. they more inclined to Ukraine because their language, religion and also the way of life was quite the same or similar. And after the Munich.. and the Vienna arbitrage. Sudets have fallen to Germany, large parts of South Slovakia to Hungary and South part of Ruthenia to Hungary too.. so by these two events the marriage was over and so both Slovakia and Ruthenia knew they have nothing to lose. Slovaks accepted the German proposal for independent Slovakia under the German protection and well Ruthenia declared its independence on its own. And as I mentioned before.. Voloshyn's request for Romania to militarily occupy Ruthenia went unanswered so Hungarians apart from the already taken south part of Ruthenia just occupied the rest of it.. where there were NO Hungarian citizens. And their aggression continued as they without any declaration of war.. invaded the Eastern part of already independent Slovakia and bombed Spisska Nova Ves.. killing 14 civilians from which 2 were Magyars. Newly created Slovak army mobilized all it had and moved East. Also local air dogfights broke out. Before any major counter offensive could be planned from the Slovak side.. Hitler put an end to this aggression.. but Hungary got another piece of Slovak land with 80000 Slovak inhabitants. Again no Hungarians there. Sorry for the rant.. I just added some historical details.. to back my info.
Well.. if we want to be correct. The flag in the vanilla is not quite correct. Because the CoA in vanilla: the silver coat with the patriarchal cross in the middle was the military flag of SA(Slovak Army) The national flag of First Slovak Republic was our current flag without the CoA.. similar to present day Russian but not Russian as Russian blue is lighter.
Yes we did. And its horrible. But the international scene can get very dynamic.. and the world is changing from unipolar to bipolar as it was before.
So maybe something will happen.. because more and more Slovaks have enough of this.. and they realized we have been sold out. I just have this feeling that something BIG is going to happen what will change our lives forever. Lets hope it will be a change for good though.
Fernando Torres said:
Stay cool.. I will delete that post by myself as I don't want to cause any harm to this thread. There is no problem for telling the truth is there? ..but I understand people don't want to hear it.
I really dislike radical people, as it is impossible to talk to them. They are right, not because of what they say or argument, but because they are right.yuriberi said:
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Ithron said:
First: We living in a world with speech of freedom! (as far as I know...)
Second: Slovakia is NOT balkan!
Third: Off topic will be over...